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when will this DROUGHT END?

washington is fucked for pure pills atm i do have one connect who only has pure pills and they are amazing and has bulk so i am lucky to come across one connect who has tested pills i have a eztest kit :) and i don't get overpriced at all its old school prices thank god :)
 
sonix said:
washington is fucked for pure pills atm i do have one connect who only has pure pills and they are amazing and has bulk so i am lucky to come across one connect who has tested pills i have a eztest kit :) and i don't get overpriced at all its old school prices thank god :)
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I'm guessing the pills you're getting are from outside of the country?

There are pills in Washington, but they generally stick to small circles and don't get out much. Almost always the Dutch pills.. but those White Lightnings were like that too. I haven't seen a good pill in Seattle since like June 2011.. there have been one or two, but they were never in circulation so I don't even count them.
 
The amount of fake Molly going around is ridiculous. The pills suck too MDMA is dead in the states for the most part. I don't care though cuz I'm not Rollin anymore. Lol ppl are glad to get a meth bomb these days it's sad all the pipes and BS. Downright awful.
 
Folley said:
I'm guessing the pills you're getting are from outside of the country?

There are pills in Washington, but they generally stick to small circles and don't get out much. Almost always the Dutch pills.. but those White Lightnings were like that too. I haven't seen a good pill in Seattle since like June 2011.. there have been one or two, but they were never in circulation so I don't even count them.
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idk where they come from but i do know this person has alot of pure pills and are legit as ive tested every pill they've had for months, they just aren't into the rave scene so it doesn't float around there
 
Are they Defqons, Speakers, Question Marks or Triforces? I'm guessing you're probably getting Dutch pills. They go around a lot here, but in super duper small circles


I'm definitely not into the rave scene though. But I guess the pills I get are from those groups... fuck even all the molly I've tested recently is methylone. Even one dick trying to sell me meth as MDMA, that was an easy spot though. Only way I'm able to roll is when other people bring shit in from Cali or other places way far away from here
 
Folley said:
Are they Defqons, Speakers, Question Marks or Triforces? I'm guessing you're probably getting Dutch pills. They go around a lot here, but in super duper small circles


I'm definitely not into the rave scene though. But I guess the pills I get are from those groups... fuck even all the molly I've tested recently is methylone. Even one dick trying to sell me meth as MDMA, that was an easy spot though. Only way I'm able to roll is when other people bring shit in from Cali or other places way far away from here
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nah none of those must be dutch because theygot TONS of diff presses and colors i mean its not a small dealer they just have been around for a long time and have a steady connect somehow all i care about is that i get good pills haha and ya it's def a small circle that knows the person
 
Well there are literally thousands of Dutch pills coming into the country... and there's a huge diversity, so you never know.

That's cool though dude, I thought MDMA was dead here in Washington... there used to be like 10+ MDMA presses in Seattle, if one of them was still operating on a super small scale I'd be very happy!



May I ask what pills you're getting?
 
Good MDMA scene? Europe, MDMA is everywhere. Either really good crystal or top notch pills. Holland is where it all comes from I believe ;)
 
The american pressed pill market is in absolute shambles these days. 9 out of 10 pills are bunk and when a strong batch containing mdma actually does hit the street there are tons of bunk copycats of the press within days. The last succession of quality single stamp pills to hit my area (so cal) was back in 2008/2009, followed by a year of potent pokeball stamps and coming to a screeching halt when our canadian pokeball presser was busted and imprisoned. I've yet to see a legit mdma pill since the last batch of pokeballs that were released in june 2010 (blue thundercat pokes) and I have yet to take a pressed pill since, nor will I ever.

I've been in the mdma scene since early 2006 and have watched the trends and quality of pills go up and down over the years. This however is something much more drastic, I strongly believe that the days of multiple potent batches flooding the streets are over. The quality will only continue to worsen as time goes on and I can envision stamped pills becoming a thing of the past very soon. Thankfully there is still quality molly (or mandy for my UK friends) around in my area so I'm still able to indulge, it is just much harder to find and higher priced. I miss the mid 2000s when pills were plentiful, reliable and strong... RIP american pill market, you will be sorely missed!
 
Apathy
People just want to get high, they don't really care the exact name of the chemical compounds in their pills. If they bought it as ecstasy, its ecstasy to them.

Misinformation
Not a whole lot of ecstasy users know that MDMA is what you're supposed to be getting when you buy ecstasy. They just refer to it as ecstasy and nothing more. The propaganda effort has discouraged many people from trying it. You wouldn't believe how much people believe an Oprah segment or a decade old Eminem song. Not to mention the innumerable wives tales spread amongst a vast array of people.

Precursor availability
Safrole and Methylamine are hard to get, as well as multiple other chemicals involved in synthesis. It's much easier to buy rc's in bulk or synthesize something that doesn't require hard to obtain chemicals. Some essence oil suppliers have started to sell 'sassafras' oil that has the safrole removed, thus making clandestine manufacture even more of a challenge in the states. I'm not sure how Canada regulates safrole, but last I checked, they were the major ecstasy supplier to the states, adulterated or not. There are quite a few routes to synthesize precursors from easier to get chemicals, but if there were a lot of people dedicated to doing so, i'm sure there would be a better ecstasy/Molly scene.
 
I dont think there is any valid argument for either pills or powder being any safer than the other. Just cause some one has purchased a pill press doesnt make pills more genuine. It could infact mean the opposite. We simply just dont know what might make someone tick.

I dont necessarily agree that the current state of MDMA availability in the States wont change. A great example of a shift change is the 'Shake & bake' method for meth manufacture. Once this synth was refined then for a while 'cold medicine' meth became an epidemic. Nothing to say that a new synth or precursor may be discovered for MDMA. Nothing to say that a new reliable source may reveal itself. As many of us know reliable sources already exist for kick ass pills worldwide. Already I see the price dropping on online sources I think over time this market will get bigger and bigger and more widely available. Lets at least hope ;)

My theory about the current state of MDMA in USA.

(1) LE have become wise. Border control is getting very sophisticated and they know what they are looking for.

(2) Pill presses & RCs are readily available.

(3) Penalty for manufacture and import of MDMA is very high VS posession of RCs and pill presses.

(4) Pressing RCs is a lot easier for your average person than manufacturing MDMA.

(5) Most users have no clue about test kits.

(6) Many users just want to get fucked up. Many RC pills will suffice.

(7) For some reason Mexican drug Cartels dont seem that stimulated by MDMA and pills. They are more interested in Meth and Coke.


I dont agree that availability of precursors is the problem in the USA as safrol is not the only starting component. Besides sassafras actually grows in certain parts of the States. Safrol can be found everywhere.

If you are capable and able to manufacturer MDMA very likely you will have the intelligence to find the needed precursors. I think the punishment for manufacturer is more the issue. Look at Strike he got only a few years for manufacture. He later got only a few years for supplying chemicals to labs all over the world. Try doing that now and wave goodbye to 20 years..
 
As has been said, there ain't no shortage in the UK. Good bangers and crystal going round everywhere, and there are plenty of UK pressers, not just dutch stuff. I've gotta go to some effort to get Dutch pills, like a 30 minute drive, but I know 4 dealers selling decent uk pressed pills close to me. I reckon it'll change eventually for you guys, drugs come and go in popularity. Until then, just order off the internet ;)
 
^^ good point dan. I wonder however if the MDMA is made in UK? Taking an educated guess I would say more likely the MDMA is coming from Holland and then being pressed up in UK.

Have you ever seen an MDMA lab busted in UK? I dont think I have ever seen one? I dont think I have even seen a 'pill lab' busted in UK.

Looking at certain online sources ;) I see that the UK pills seem to be weaker in MDMA content than their dutch counter parts.

I guess whether your buying a dutch bomb 250 at X amount vs a UK White Heart at X amount. You kind of get the relevant amount of MDMA vs price so its all the same price in a round about way.

Fortunately it seems the average home experimenter in the UK that wishes to press pills seems to be loyal and genuine enough to not go pressing RCs. At least a lot less RC pills than in the states.
 
The mdma scene has sucked in Alabama for about 4 years straight now. I had 1 good buy about 2 years ago. Since then null. I've been in the scene since 2000 and I've never seen it this bad. Doesn't help that I'm in my 40s with trying to buy either.

Me and the wife are going to new orleans on the 27th to see dj trashy and paul oakenfold. Guess ill be drinking and taking lori tabs lol. That's gonna suck but I love some oakenfold :-).
 
Harsh penalties definitely play a role in the scarcity of MDMA production in the states. Look at the difference in sentencing, in Calgary a man was busted with his lab and 1 million + pills. He received 2 years. If you were caught with that in the U.S., you'd be staying in prison for much longer than 2 years.
 
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