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Opioids When will the RLS end??

Nice advice Noddy boy gunna actually try that.

And as for you jamesBrown that is the worst idea i've ever heard. Taking a strong hallucinogenic (albiet almost over now) in opiates WD's, that sounds horrible, or am I the only one to think that?!

Edit - Sorry didn't read all your post before I replied, I did that last night, just walked around for hours and eventually got lost so had to walk even longer. Did seem to work though !
 
CbRoXiDe said:
And as for you jamesBrown that is the worst idea i've ever heard. Taking a strong hallucinogenic (albiet almost over now) in opiates WD's, that sounds horrible, or am I the only one to think that?!
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Im sry you got so pissed at me for tryin to help but yes, thats what i thought when I first heard the idea, but I have used strong psychadelics to help me deal with opiate WD and it has helped almost 100% every time. I swear by it. Of course you actually have to be somewhat experiences with acid or shrooms or whatever you taking so you know what to expect and can prevent a bad trip but it can completely make you forget you were ever an addict.(in a way,if you have ever taken them then you would know it gets complicated with psychadelics)

I also know many(well a few) other people who use the same method. Sometimes they use it before they go into WD and the "journey" they have shows them they need to quit there addiction and they are able to stop cold turkey afterwards.(of course they usually use minor things to help like small dose of benzo's or some herbal supplements)...but it seems to have worked everytime I have seen or heard of it.

I apologize if you are so upset by my advice that you had to tell me it was the worst idea you have ever heard. I guess with your outlook on it, it might not work well for you because you need to go into the trip acting and feeling positive, but for me and some people I know, it has worked better than anything else I have tried(im leaving suboxone off the list because I used subs as a long term maintanence drug, not a drug for a "quick fix" or for quickly rewiring my brain to where I dont feel I need opiates anymore.....which is suprisingly what the psychadelics do).
 
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Didn't sound to me like he was "pissed", just thought it sounded like a horrible Idea to him. I happen to agree.

Opiate withdrawals can be hell. KRATOM is amazing for them but if you just eat it straight up it doesn't work as well as proper preperation but you can buy kratom online and at alot of herbalist shops and head shops.

The best way I've found personally is to get kratom leaf powder, boil some water, put the kratom in a cup, pour some boiling water in, stir it up the best you can and chug it down with some GRAPEFRUIT juice.

Its going to taste horrible but your withdrawals will be gone.

As far as how much kratom? I was heavy on oxycontin for a few years and Opana now, so when Im in withdrawal mode, It takes me 10-12 grams of kratom to kick the horrible feelings, although most people I know of seem to use less and recommend less.

Other than that, like others say, magnesium, loperamide, water, vitamins, excersize.

I can't stress enough how much excersize helps me in being able to sleep. If I don't excersize at all during withdrawals I wont sleep more than 20 minutes to an hour every night for 2 weeks or more. You will probably feel horrible trying to excersize during this crap but tough that part out you won't regret it.

Stay strong!
 
Noddy Boy said:
I have found the best 3 things in conjunction with each other that will help with RLS:

Magnesium - double dose 2-3 times daily
Potassium - single dose twice a day
Loperamide - 12-18mg for the first few bad days

Also, if you can by day 2 or 3, take a walk. Not a 10 min around the block walk, but a good 45min to 1hr walk, your legs will hate you during but after it will be completely worth it. Walking works for me but I have found some that say it makes it worse, so who knows. Hope this helps and stay strong!!

-Noddy
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Grand advice :) Also, it's now cold enough in the UK for the Hot Water Bottles to be buss out! I found having one of these inbetween my knees at night in bed helped quite a lot.

Also, anything that stimulates Dopamine production really. I mean even Crack would make it go away (although extremely temporarily!!! - I don't recommend it =D).
I think Bananas are a great source of Potassium if I remember correctly..
The Ket should help.. Maybe... But I'm unsure and there could be a bit of a rebound.
As for using DHC's, as long as you keep the dosage to the absolute minimum, then it shouldn't set your withdrawal back too badly :)
Good luck CbRoXiDe mate!
 
jamesBrown said:
Im sry you got so pissed at me for tryin to help but yes, thats what i thought when I first heard the idea, but I have used strong psychadelics to help me deal with opiate WD and it has helped almost 100% every time. I swear by it. Of course you actually have to be somewhat experiences with acid or shrooms or whatever you taking so you know what to expect and can prevent a bad trip but it can completely make you forget you were ever an addict.(in a way,if you have ever taken them then you would know it gets complicated with psychadelics)

I also know many(well a few) other people who use the same method. Sometimes they use it before they go into WD and the "journey" they have shows them they need to quit there addiction and they are able to stop cold turkey afterwards.(of course they usually use minor things to help like small dose of benzo's or some herbal supplements)...but it seems to have worked everytime I have seen or heard of it.

I apologize if you are so upset by my advice that you had to tell me it was the worst idea you have ever heard. I guess with your outlook on it, it might not work well for you because you need to go into the trip acting and feeling positive, but for me and some people I know, it has worked better than anything else I have tried(im leaving suboxone off the list because I used subs as a long term maintanence drug, not a drug for a "quick fix" or for quickly rewiring my brain to where I dont feel I need opiates anymore.....which is suprisingly what the psychadelics do).
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Yeah sorry man, didn't mean to sound snappy or pissed just seemed like when your going through hell with opiate WD wouldn't be best time to trip.

And plus i'm not gunna be tripping for a long time since last time I thought i'd died with a metal pole through my chest, saw all my friends family crying around me, ambulances, seeing friends faces melt into blood all culminating in my being judged by god ending with a blackhole into nothingness. Then waking up in hospital nearly dead from bloodloss after punching my way through a glass door :|.

Hence why I thought it would be a veryyyy bad idea for me as you can probably imagine to take pyschs to help =D.

No hard feelings buddy?
 
CbRoXiDe said:
Thinks it's cause it's an anesthesia or something along those lines. Someone with more knowledge will probably fill you in.
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actually, ketamine also has psychadelic properties in higher doses. I first learned of it as a psychadelic in the same class as acid and shrooms. only later did I learn it had different effects taken in smaller doses.

also...i understand what you said about tripping right now, but the trip you described before sounded kind of intense...i wasnt talking about a shitload of psychadelics, just enough so you have an experience, not so much that you arent able to remember where you are and you are in a complete hallucination.
I would reccommend just a couple grams of shrooms or whatever makes you feel nice but not too fucked up.
In fact, did you know psyclobin(from mushrooms) is actually used medically for migranes and some other medical issues that I cant remember exactly. But im pretty sure one of them was general pain. Of course they use pure psyclobin and in smaller amounts but they still give you enough to trip.
Im gonna try to find a medical report on this unless someone else finds it first.

....actually my back is KILLING me again, ima go chill out and see if i cant get the spasms to stop. peace
 
Ergotamin and Methysergide, which are both prescribed for migraine headaches, are closely related in structure to LSD.

Both of which have been proven to effectively used as treatment for migraines. Ergotamin is a aborter, but not very strong at that, and Methysergide helps prevent migraines.

Methysergide, 4mg = 25mcg of LSD. Since Methysergide is metabolized into Methylergometrine, it possibly can produce some psychadelic effects similar to LSD.. Although, with increased doses of mythysergide you have an increased chance of side effects like sweating, nausea, increased heart rate, etc. When used at prescribed doses the risk of side effects lessen, and is useful for preventing migraines.

Ergotamine on the other hand is not as effective as some other triptans for aborting migraines. It does not prevent them either.

I've read elsewhere that psyclobin could be effective in treating migraines, and from personal experience I can say that it has made my migraines almost disappear at times, for even months. I have heard from some others that it didn't alleviate any symptoms at all, and in fact made them worse. I dont know, as long as the war on drugs is going on, psyclobin wont be used for migraines legally I would think...

James, Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic. It also binds to some opiod receptors. It is not like acid or shrooms. Trust me. And one more thing, i don't think its wise to tell anyone who is going through addiction and withdrawals to take a shroom trip or take some acid, regardless of RLS. I don't think anyone going through withdrawals will be mentally prepared to take a trip on acid or shrooms.
 
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kaossalami said:
And one more thing, i don't think its wise to tell anyone who is going through addiction and withdrawals to take a shroom trip or take some acid, regardless of RLS. I don't think anyone going through withdrawals will be mentally prepared to take a trip on acid or shrooms.
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sry you dont think its wise

its just ive done it before a couple times and it worked about 100%. made me feel awesome during, and afterwards. as if there never was an addiction.

and like i said, ive witnessed others have the same experience.
so i guess from my point of view it was "wise", or atleast advice that could of possibly helped a desperate man. im sure he is capable of making his own decisions.
 
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