When Will Live Audiences Be Ready For Computer Mixing

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Goa is the shit for that stuff. Personally, I love Goa. Especially to dance to, but I haven't heard good Goa live in such a long time. Most of the crap I hear these days, is nothing but crappy Cali trance, that everyone goes gagga over, and that shitty House that tries to be like Chicago, but fails dismally.

Yes, I'm an elitist, I've earned my stripes, and have the right to be one.
 
^ yah man, ive taken many ppl familair with raves to goa parties, and the first thing they say is "oh how lame, hes using a computer not even mixing records!" to which i usually roll my eyes and ignore hehehe.
 
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Well, I imagine part of the problem is that soo many DJ's have really developed amazing skills using vinyl and a mxing board. To abandon that experience must be hard. Not to mention it puts you on a level playing field with newcomers who are also just starting off with computers. But, then again, that's not entirely true is it? That experience will largely transfer over. Maybe not fiddling with the knobs and flipping platers, but knowing how to mix something, how to read a crowd, and having that unique sound all remains the same. Not to mention your rep will still be there.

I've had several house parties. Sometimes with traditional DJ's, sometimes with computer DJs. They did about the same, except the tradtional DJ was working a lot harder. To be honest, none of the house party DJ's I've had spin were incedibly awesome. But, then again, it was just a house party. :\
 
^^ LOL just a house party, and they were working their tails off.

When I first got into it, it was all tables, and how to rip the beats into each other as creatively as possible, then it was learning how to beat match a 909, or 808 with the tables. Now it's all throwing the vinyl into the corner, and trying to push the limits, and make something that still creates a vibe on the puters.




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That synth he is tweaking in this picture, does anyone know what it is?
 
This is just history repeating itself. Every advancement in new technology is hated by the traditionalists at first, but it normally opens up a whole new world of oppourtunities.


When the guitar was invented it was shunned by lute players as being too easy, so than even "an unmusical stableboy could play".

The microphone was seen as destroying proper singing skills, and leading to "crooning" rather than singing.

Synthesisers were seen as destroying the skill of, and need for, real musicians.

New technology is always feared. The currently there's not a whole load of software out there for the live DJ. The only piece of software I've seen that's any good is ableton Live. It's very very impressive, but still not quite there yet. I think in a few years is will start having more of an influence.
 
This isn't about technology. I'm all about technology.

This is about turning the DJ from a performer into a some geek with a laptop.

Those of you who are saying, "Get the DJ out of the spotlight" - Are you fucking kidding me? If that's the case, what's stopping Club owners from making 6-hour premixed DVD sets, firing all their DJ's and just playing one DVD all night long?

1/2 the appeal of the DJ is the fact that he/she can be seen, can interact and feel the crowd. No, the crowd shouldn't be 'staring' at the DJ, but the DJ is a point of reference. He's a place where your eyes can rest during a breakdown. He's the engineer, the conductor, the origin.

and you want to stick him behind a laptop?

Blasphemy!
 
and what would happen if people started becoming popular by mixing on a laptop...and yet couldnt mix two records or cds to save their life?? would you respect someone like that? i know several guys who only make mixes using traktor 2.0 or ableton, but dont have the first clue how to beatmatch let alone mix without technological help. i just dont like the implications of heading in that direction...

note: i am not saying a dj couldnt use a laptop to ADD to a set, but there is a big difference between relying on one and using one as an additional tool.
 
Ok, you guys don't want to go to a show to see a guy with a laptop, that's fine.

But i got some bad news for you, soon you are gonna be seeing lots of those cause that's the future.

Kyk said:

Those of you who are saying, "Get the DJ out of the spotlight" - Are you fucking kidding me? If that's the case, what's stopping Club owners from making 6-hour premixed DVD sets, firing all their DJ's and just playing one DVD all night long?
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.....umm, well the fact that you can see a person at the decks doesn't necessarily mean he is really mixing, but i dont' think that's the point.
 
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and what would happen if people started becoming popular by mixing on a laptop...and yet couldnt mix two records or cds to save their life?? would you respect someone like that? i know several guys who only make mixes using traktor 2.0 or ableton, but dont have the first clue how to beatmatch let alone mix without technological help. i just dont like the implications of heading in that direction...
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WHAT!!!! 8o YOU ARE JOKING RIGHT????

Who cares if you can't mix records or cds, do you think that's what makes a good dj???

If so then there would be millions of great djs cause anyone can do that, what makes a good dj is his/her taste for music and his abbility to read the crowd, the vibes and mood of the party to play the right thing.

What you just said is exactly like saying that anyone who uses a drum machine deserves no respect if he can't play a real drum kit too.
 
p3rc3pt10n said:
WHAT!!!! 8o YOU ARE JOKING RIGHT????

Who cares if you can't mix records or cds, do you think that's what makes a good dj???

If so then there would be millions of great djs cause anyone can do that, what makes a good dj is his/her taste for music and his abbility to read the crowd, the vibes and mood of the party to play the right thing.

What you just said is exactly like saying that anyone who uses a drum machine deserves no respect if he can't play a real drum kit too.
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i know a lot of djs can't mix for shit, and i wont see them for that reason. I dont care what kind of music you have, if you can't mix...you're not a good dj.
 
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That's like saying that riding the train makes you a good driver because you don't get in an accident.

First of all, you're not driving anything and you're not wrecking because you're not driving. You simply picked the destination and went for a ride.

Basically, what the original question says to me is - "When will audiences be ready to listen to compilation mixes on a loud sound system?"
 
i think if you were to make a set in ableton and use

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with

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/KeystationPro88-main.html

that...

you would be able to see its more than just 'mouse-clicking'...

also you still have to beatmatch in ableton, and it still takes skill to be able to do it...it doesn't 'do it for you', you have to warp the songs to get them to match...

sure there is software out there that mixes for you, but ableton really allows you to effectively 'live remix'...if you can play the keyboard it becomes even closer to live music...i probably wouldn't even call it dj'ing, dj'ing is vinyl/cd's on turntables...this is something else...:)

also i think making (any) set of music not just dj'ing, is more about effective programming, staying in key, and setting the mood, than how well you can beatmatch 2 songs...a monkey could learn to beatmatch...
 
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i know a lot of djs can't mix for shit, and i wont see them for that reason. I dont care what kind of music you have, if you can't mix...you're not a good dj.
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Notice what i posted:

'Who cares if you can't mix records or cds' <<----------- RECORDS OR CDS

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First of all, you're not driving anything and you're not wrecking because you're not driving. You simply picked the destination and went for a ride.
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For what i've read in all your posts it seems like you guys don't know how mixing with a computer actually works, especially you Kyk

It seems to me that you have the idea that all you have to do is turn on the computer, press some "create mix" button and then you can sit down and have a cup of tea, but that's completely false

To mix with a computer you still have to choose your tracks on the fly, know how to beatmatch, key match, equalize them etc... do all that and MIX them LIVE, just like you would with records, if you can't mix your set will suck and the computer can't do anything about it.

To put it plain and simple the only difference between mixing with records and with a computer is that instead of pressing buttons on decks and knobs on the mixer you press buttons in a computer and instead of records you use audio files which, by the way can have a lot, lot better audio quality than records or cds, but the whole process of mixing is exactly the same.

Plus the computer gives you tons of new posibilities like creating loops on the fly, mixing audio from other sources like your sequencer software, having your tracks split in many channels so you can equalize a lot better than you would with a regular 3 channel eq, and if you are skilled enough even remix live.

Is there anything wrong with having a lot more resources to express yourself as an artist?????
 
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^^^^ One more thing.

If mixing with a computer is such a lame thing as you guys say, why big names like Sasha, Plastikman, Dj Hell and many more are already doing it, and many others are catching up on that trend???

Are those guys stupid???
 
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I wasn't talking about programs like Ableton. I'm not against having a laptop running on a separate channel.

I figured what people meant was having the program mix, or making digital premixes and playing them out.

Either way, you have to admit a certain effect is lost while staring at a computer screen.

Can you imagine a DJ hitting the 'enter' key and following it with the Jesus pose?
 
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