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When we die, do we go on a permenate trip??? (Read article inside)

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U.S. scientists kill seven volunteers to prove life after death is real
In fringe science, gee whiz, heaven and hell, life after death, near death experiences, science, university research on December 22, 2007 at 11:54 pm

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Copyright (c) 2007 Derek Clontz/4-Page Media, Inc. All rights reserved.

AMERICAN scientists killed seven volunteers with lethal injections and then brought back to life in a controversial and possibly illegal experiment to determine if consciousness continues to exist after the body ceases to function.

And what they found is that “a vivid and energetic mental state” does live on after death,” with consciousness – or a soul – “experiencing abject misery or perfect bliss” in settings that are amazingly similar to notions of Hell and Heaven as described in religious literature and, to a lesser extent, classic works of fiction.

“Seven healthy volunteers were killed with a lethal dose of barbiturates and then revived precisely 15 minutes later,” explained a source who requested anonymity to avoid criminal prosecution in connection with the research that was secretly conducted at universities in New York, Michigan and California.

“Three responded positively to questions about their experiences – they recalled an afterlife. Four have no memory of anything beyond their final words with colleages before they received their injections.

“In one case, there is evidence of moderate brain damage, but it appears that it will be reversible.”

According to the source, the three volunteers who recalled an afterlife gave vivid but vastly different descriptions of their experiences.

A 33-year-old woman identified only as “a scientist deeply involved in the research” remembers being met by “a golden angel” who spirited her to Heaven – a vast city of white buildings inhabited by the souls of the blessed.

“Bliss – only bliss,” is how she recalls feeling. God, she notes, was “a glowing sphere of loving, intelligent, understanding light, shining like the sun above a towering, jewel-encrusted throne.”

Another volunteer, a 57-year-old man who also was described as being “a medical doctor,” recalls “a split-second journey to a point beyond eternity, the realm of the Supreme Being.”

He says he became part of “an expansive, all-encompassing, and brilliant white light,” in which “everything that ever was,
that is, and that ever will be, was known, comprehended and
understood.
“It was an eternally ecstatic state of being,” he is reported to have said. “I knew I had returned to the fountain of creation from which we all come.”

But it doesn’t seem to be the fountain to which we all return.

The source says the third subject who recalls an afterlife
journeyed to a place of misery, torment and unspeakable horror.

The volunteer, described as being “a 26-year-old graduate
student and avowed atheist,” was “hysterical and psychotic”
upon being revived.

And she remains under the care of a psychiatrist who says the young woman endured psychological and emotional trauma similar to that found in shellshocked soldiers who suffer nervous breakdowns on the battlefield.

The student says she remembers “plunging through darkness for what seemed like hours” before she found herself “roped to a cot” in a sweltering steel cell.

Helpless and terrified, she was sexually brutalized and then ripped limb from limb by, she says, by “vile monsters, demonic animals and evil, stinking creatures
- and Satan himself - over and over again.”

The question now, says the source, is how the researchers can
publish their findings without suffering legal or professional
consequences that could destroy their careers or land them in
jail.

“The experiments almost certainly were in violation of state and federal laws governing the use of the controlled drugs that were used to kill the test subjects, regardless of the fact that they re revived,” says the source, who leaked the study’s
results to derekclontz.com exclusively with, he says, “the authors’ blessings.”

“And there are so many moral and ethical questions surrounding the research that the scientists involved fear their reputations and careers will be destroyed if they come forward.

“In the meantime, they wanted people to know there is hope that at least some of us are going to a better place when we die.

“In these tough times we live in, that’s important for people to
know.”

http://derekclontz.wordpress.com/20...volunteers-to-prove-life-after-death-is-real/


I'd like to here some of y'alls opinion on this story. When I read this article, all I could think of was the stories of people on acid or DMT or some kind of Pysch.

4 out of 7 people had no memory whatsoever of what happend when they were gone, 2 people had amazing blissful memories and 1 person was in complete hell. Sounds like your typical trips to me. Does this sound in anyway legit to you? I would love to hear more about this story. What happens when we die interest me probably more then anything else I learn about.

Discuss...
 
jezzzeeee dude this does sound alot like a heavy dose of DMT....You may be intersted in this doco it talk about the link bewteen dmt and the soul/after life.....i have been doing ALOT of reading up on dmt in the past 2 weeks (i have made a batch of it,its soooooooo close to being ready :D ) and it does seem that dmt has somthing to do with the afterlife......... IMO i belive dmt lets up breifly see into the unknown.Why are our brains wired to recive these kind of "trips"? why is it that every living thing can abzorbe and contains dmt?does dmt havea link to dreaming?if so whos to say we arnt going to the "unknown place" every night when we dream?......i dont think we will ever know i think our human brains can not comprehend what lies beyond death but using dmt can help us learn what to expect I would love some legitament studys done on dmt -_- i have never tryed but cant wait to try the spirit molecule!!

sorry for spellin errors ima baked :p
 
I'm expecting my Dmt:Spirit Molecue Dvd tomorrow so I'm looking forward to the stories.

Yea, it's just such a mystery man. Like what the fuck? What is it in DMT that makes our brains complelty switch up and think we're actually living in a different fucking world? It's crazy, But I'm dying to try DMT. The only pysch I've tried was 2c-e and that's beyond weak! You don't even hallucinate. Just a distorted vision which gets boring as hell. I just feel way too normal on it lol.
 
I'm expecting my Dmt:Spirit Molecue Dvd tomorrow so I'm looking forward to the stories.

Yea, it's just such a mystery man. Like what the fuck? What is it in DMT that makes our brains complelty switch up and think we're actually living in a different fucking world? It's crazy, But I'm dying to try DMT. The only pysch I've tried was 2c-e and that's beyond weak! You don't even hallucinate. Just a distorted vision which gets boring as hell. I just feel way too normal on it lol.

Maybe DMT unlocks the other %80 of our brain we don't use? Or it enables the soul to be free......tbh i don't think we will ever know until we die. the vessel our souls are in at the moment simply can not comprehend what lies beyond. its even hard to put the trip into words.....i could go on and on about this subject. :D

That link i posted is the spirit molecule dvd in HQ I'm sure there would be alto more on the dvd tho.....can u pm the link were u bought it from???how much was it?

i have a Lil bit of experience with pyschs but not much really i had 2C-B once lsd a handful of times and doi once was fucking awful worst trip of my life n mushies twice....( i would prefer ceebee or mushies outa all of them) tomorrow i will be dropping a STRONG dose of LSD (first tIime dropping in like 6 months) then trying dmt :D heeeeeee gonna be outa this world!!!! (pun intended)

They say in the dvd when you look at dmt under magnification its made just like a eye it has a lens a retina and a cornea really got me thinking this is a sign from what ever made us that this substance grants us access to see something we just need to find out what that something is.maybe thats the goal of life fuck knows maybe we keep reincarnating until we understand what lie beyond....
 
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Maybe DMT unlocks the other %80 of our brain we don't use? Or it enables the soul to be free......tbh i don't think we will ever know until we die. the vessel our souls are in at the moment simply can not comprehend what lies beyond. its even hard to put the trip into words.....i could go on and on about this subject. :D

That link i posted is the spirit molecule dvd in HQ I'm sure there would be alto more on the dvd tho.....can u pm the link were u bought it from???how much was it?

i have a Lil bit of experience with pyschs but not much really i had 2C-B once lsd a handful of times and doi once was fucking awful worst trip of my life n mushies twice....( i would prefer ceebee or mushies outa all of them) tomorrow i will be dropping a STRONG dose of LSD (first tIime dropping in like 6 months) then trying dmt :D heeeeeee gonna be outa this world!!!! (pun intended)

They say in the dvd when you look at dmt under magnification its made just like a eye it has a lens a retina and a cornea really got me thinking this is a sign from what ever made us that this substance grants us access to see something we just need to find out what that something is.



quoted for being the absolute best post ive ever read on bluelight.
 
Reminds me about "Enter The Void".

But this doesn't sound like actual scientific article. IMO, it is purely fictional.
 
They say in the dvd when you look at dmt under magnification its made just like a eye it has a lens a retina and a cornea really got me thinking this is a sign from what ever made us that this substance grants us access to see something we just need to find out what that something is.

Maybe i'm just stoned but i never heard this in the spirit molecule documentry at all. What do you even mean by when you look at dmt under magnification it's made just like an eye with a retina and cornea?

I recall from somewhere, i'm pretty sure this very same documentry about the pineal gland or third eye, which releases endogenous dmt into our blood-stream, and how it's called the spiritual third eye, and in reptillians the pineal gland actually has a retina and a cornea and shit. Maybe you got mixed up with that?

Like i got no idea wtf you even mean let alone trying to find other references to what you said. Lol and how could no one else notice this.
 
Maybe DMT unlocks the other %80 of our brain we don't use? Or it enables the soul to be free......tbh i don't think we will ever know until we die. the vessel our souls are in at the moment simply can not comprehend what lies beyond. its even hard to put the trip into words.....i could go on and on about this subject. :D

That link i posted is the spirit molecule dvd in HQ I'm sure there would be alto more on the dvd tho.....can u pm the link were u bought it from???how much was it?







i have a Lil bit of experience with pyschs but not much really i had 2C-B once lsd a handful of times and doi once was fucking awful worst trip of my life n mushies twice....( i would prefer ceebee or mushies outa all of them) tomorrow i will be dropping a STRONG dose of LSD (first tIime dropping in like 6 months) then trying dmt :D heeeeeee gonna be outa this world!!!! (pun intended)


I ordered it off Amazon for 20 bucks.


Yea I think you got it mixed up. They say our pinal gland has the retina and is basically is our 3rd eye.
 
Maybe DMT unlocks the other %80 of our brain we don't use? Or it enables the soul to be free......tbh i don't think we will ever know until we die. the vessel our souls are in at the moment simply can not comprehend what lies beyond. its even hard to put the trip into words.....i could go on and on about this subject. :D

That link i posted is the spirit molecule dvd in HQ I'm sure there would be alto more on the dvd tho.....can u pm the link were u bought it from???how much was it?







i have a Lil bit of experience with pyschs but not much really i had 2C-B once lsd a handful of times and doi once was fucking awful worst trip of my life n mushies twice....( i would prefer ceebee or mushies outa all of them) tomorrow i will be dropping a STRONG dose of LSD (first tIime dropping in like 6 months) then trying dmt :D heeeeeee gonna be outa this world!!!! (pun intended)


I ordered it off Amazon for 20 bucks.


Yea I think you got it mixed up. They say our pinal gland has the retina and is basically is our 3rd eye.

ah shit guys sorry might have fucked up could have been this docodont have a chance to watch atm.....anyways its a amazing "substance"...........im baked too :p
 
Lol, you straight playboy. Have your fun!

I was pretty drunk making this thread so I was sure I fucked up a lot... Oh well :)

Anyways, I'm really looking forward to watching this DVD especially since my boy Joe Rogan is the host! (huge mma fan) and Joe Rogan is a die hard psychedelic fan and knows his shit.

Back to the article, I actually was a little dissapointed when I read the part about the heaven and hell similarities. I don't want to believe that. I just want everyone to be a happy,peaceful, free would who can travel the universe, visit our Past life if we want and basically live in a dream world :)

I know, I know, sounds way to good to be true but this world we live in is hell in my eyes so i jus want to be in a better place when I'm gone.
 
BS that we only use a tiny portion of our brain also.

Although that is not what I observe in many people.

Tempted to make a george bush joke here, but its not nesscessary, he is his own punchline=D
 
Maybe DMT unlocks the other %80 of our brain we don't use? ..


You use 100% of your brain, just not all at the same time.

that is the most BS article i ever came upon. seriously.

Agreed. Makes no sense at all. If you "die" for 15 minutes, its pretty likely that the reincarnated you will have pretty severe brain damage. :|
 
What definition of "death" is being used here? They obviously weren't all that dead.
 
You use 100% of your brain, just not all at the same time.

THANK YOU

I am sick of people saying you don't use like 90% or so of your brain. If that were true then lets all get lobotomies and cut out a section of our brain! Obviously it will still work since we only use 10%!
 
I pieced a theory extremely close to this one a few years back. I was watching Waking Life and they said that there's 3-15 minutes of brain activity post-mortem. Then the movie reminded me of how there's pretty much no such thing as "time" in the dream state.

Then, years later, I watched The Spirit Molecule which states the DMT, in one form or another, is in practically every organic substance on the planet and that, following trauma, a flood of DMT can be produced in the brain (like the above article suggests). So the afterlife = a timeless DMT-dream? That's my idea on it :)
 
“Seven healthy volunteers were killed with a lethal dose of barbiturates and then revived precisely 15 minutes later,” explained a source who requested anonymity to avoid criminal prosecution in connection with the research that was secretly conducted at universities in New York, Michigan and California.

Sounds like a load to me.

I'm expecting my Dmt:Spirit Molecue Dvd tomorrow so I'm looking forward to the stories.


A lot of the book is just horseshit that Strassman has made up. The whole idea that DMT has something to do with death is complete bullshit to me. I've taken DMT hundreds of times and I've read descriptions of near-death experiences and they are nothing like each other. The whole "floating down a dark tunnell to a bright light" is about as unlike DMT as it's possible to get. DMT is highly psychedelic and a wonderful experience but lets not read too much into it.

The theory that DMT is released at death or following trauma has absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever.
 
“Seven healthy volunteers were killed with a lethal dose of barbiturates and then revived precisely 15 minutes later,” explained a source who requested anonymity to avoid criminal prosecution in connection with the research that was secretly conducted at universities in New York, Michigan and California.

Sounds like a load to me.

I'm expecting my Dmt:Spirit Molecue Dvd tomorrow so I'm looking forward to the stories.


A lot of the book is just horseshit that Strassman has made up. The whole idea that DMT has something to do with death is complete bullshit to me. I've taken DMT hundreds of times and I've read descriptions of near-death experiences and they are nothing like each other. The whole "floating down a dark tunnell to a bright light" is about as unlike DMT as it's possible to get. DMT is highly psychedelic and a wonderful experience but lets not read too much into it.

The theory that DMT is released at death or following trauma has absolutely no evidence to support it whatsoever.

Ismene i totally agree with you about the dmt. I have however read specifically a near death experience of someone from 2ce that sounded identical to people who have actually died and came back and went off to another place.

Thats what really makes me think. Dmt though has never made me feel that way and I never really read expereinces of dmt that ressemble a typical near death experience.
 
Dont like the bit about hell lol, interesting read though... Maybe whatever mental state in you are when you die, you carry on through.... but maybe not... i guess we will never know until we reach that place..
 
I think we all know what a tiny tiny change in molecular structure can do to a compound in regards to effects on the human body. I'm not saying that this phenomenon we're all talking about definitely IS DMT, but I think it would be silly to rule it out. There are a tonne of variables that can be present in the human brain when this chemical is supposedly released and I think anything beyond speculation, at this point, would be futile.
 
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