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When purchasing RC's, how would one know if they accidently recieved DOx W/OUT using

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crakkbakk

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If one got a hold of an RC from out of country and realized that it is entirely possible that their supplier could have accidently sent them DOB, DOM etc., how would one figure it out without testing it?

Do the DOM/B (psychedelic amphetamines etc) have a distinct smell or taste (in the .25mg range so it wouldn't be too intense) that differs from the tryptamines?


Ive noticed pictures on Erowid of DOx are usually clumpy/chalky whereas the tryptamines tend to be more crystally, but this is not true all the time, some of the tryptamines are chalky and some of the DOx's are more powdered (can't tell if they are crystally due to image resolution, however).

Is their a particular smell one can associate with the tryptamines and DOx to differentiate them?

I've read that tryptamines will smell like "indole," what ever that is, or smell like "moth balls" I have no idea what moth balls smell like.
I've read some people think 2cx smell like DOx, swim can't remember what DOx' smell like.

Thanks!


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It looks beautifully clean, white grinded up crystals. Absolutely stunning.
upon smelling it, it seemed like at first very light...fecal matter? at first but after smelling several times that went away and "chemical" smell is the only way it could be described, and then the smell went away completely probally because the nose got to used to it.

Then it was asked, is smelling RCs stupid? Especially if it was DOx ha?
 
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My best advice is to make an extremely dilute solution, about 0.5mg per 1ml. Then take very small, carefully measured doses of the compound-- starting at about 0.5mg (or even less) and working your way up by half or quarter mg increments. Take it extremely slowly; give ample time for tolerance to go down before taking further test dosages.

Still there are too many unknown variables, and that method is still dangerous.

Even better advice would be to just order a test kit. Ideally, if you invested in both a Marquis test and a Mecke test you could be fairly certain what compound you have.
 
^Well if you thought the DOM was a 2C-x and took 20mg of it, I'm pretty sure you'd be a little bit farther out than the moon. A couple light-years past alpha centauri would be more like it. :D
 
You could use a testing kit (usually used on MDMA) and try to find what that should look like on the Internet.
 
Does anyone know what the smell of an insole should be? It does smell like fecal matter. I read on google that indoles smell like fecal matter. I'm assuming this is it.

What about DOx ? Can they smell like fecal?

Hopefully the supplier didn't take a shit in it.

Can 5-meo-dipt be absorbed through the skin like LSD can?
 
You can't go by smell. Smell is just impurities, it could be anything.

All you guys talking about testing kits; yes Marquis reagent sure does come in handy sometimes. When I got my 2C-B I tested it because I was a bit unsure of the source;

BUT GUESS WHAT?!?!

2C-B and DOB give the same reaction. ;)

Most 2C-x's and their corresponding DOx give the same reaction.

Marquis doesn't cut it.
 
The smell you are referring to is that indolic fecal smell that is supposed to be skatole,
it may be a-MT, maybe 5-MeO-a-MT dont know if that smells similar...

Anyway try to get an indication with an EZ / marquis test, that is always better than nothing.

But I really don't understand as what exactly this is sold to you. Also you are walking an
extremely fine line as far as 'what did I take' or ID threads.

Basically there is home tests for gross indication or confirmation, otherwise there is lab tests for
where that is available, for people willing to take the risk there is titration: i.e. you start off with an extremely tiny dose and try double that like a couple days to a week after that.
Bottom line is that you really shouldn't mess with something of which the identity is more than a little uncertain, I think I'd toss that out.
What you do is you use a good source and watch every indication - color, smell, taste, marquis test result or lab result that this is actually the right stuff. Start low and otherwise I guess this business of eating research chemicals is really not safe. We rely on others to tell us the truth and most of the time vendors have no interest in people dropping dead but at the end of the day we are taking quite a big gamble, which is proved now and then by the fatalities!

Tread very very carefully with samples of uncertain identity or better yet throw it away. And realize that this thread is an inch away from being closed.

Check this!!!

And absolutely Peppersocks has a huge point there, with a marquis test you know your ballpark but you can never tell whether you have a compound with a small therapeutic index and therefore safety like DOB or one that is somewhat more forgiving like 2C-B.

So test with Marquis can exclude some compounds for ID, but you cannot and never should exclude those results that look exactly the same!
 
Roger&Me said:
^Well if you thought the DOM was a 2C-x and took 20mg of it, I'm pretty sure you'd be a little bit farther out than the moon. A couple light-years past alpha centauri would be more like it. :D
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Haha, very true.

As long as I figured it out before trying it'd all be good.

Would be very unhappy with the other DOxs though, except maybe DOC.
 
Then it was asked, is smelling RCs stupid? Especially if it was DOx ha?
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It is wise to be cautious; I remember someone in EADD saying they got high from smelling a bag of MDPV. I think that the idea you might be able to reliably determine exactly which chemical you have in your possession with your eyes, nose and mouth alone is wishful thinking unfortunately.
 
No no, this isn't a "What did I take" thread. You are promised, you have a misperception about this. Swim has dosed more research chemicals than 99.9999% of this board, but has never dosed any DOx's or any of the super potent RCs, nor can he remember the smell of any of his RCs, only the look and feel. Swim's supplier(s) are the best and have never to his knowledge made a mistake in switching products.

This 5-meo-dipt was supplied from the best supplier in the buisness. But after it was recieved, a thought occured "people make mistakes." A second thought occured about the bromo-fly scandal. Is it not entirely possible that the extreamly honest and efficient supplier sent a wrong pack on accident because of a series of unfortunate events on his part?

Whenever a RC was ordered from this supplier, the medium dose was always weighed out and consumed and everything has always worked out and nothing has ever gone wrong. The thought was that errors can and do occur, and and error in this situation is such a different kind of error in any other drug dealing situation. It made one think, one should have never just consumed the medium dose after opening a pack of RCs, that is retarded.

For example, if the local dope dealer accidently gives his shitty cut heroin when one wanted to buy his shitty cut cocaine, nothing bad will happen when you consume it.

With RC's, its different. If the supplier makes a mistake on his order it can easily be life or death.

The intentions of this thread are simply questioning if it is possible that the supplier made a mistake and what is the best way to tell.

What the thread is saying is to do the liquid measurements. That will be tried, thank you very much for the advice.

The thread could still serve some use, as if people could report on the textures, look and feel of DOx. Yes, clearly one should not base their opinion on "the texture" but..

for example,

2c-e has a very messy texture. It clumps, smears, and in general is pretty inconvenient.
5-meo-dipt has a very efficient texture. It is pushed easily, divided easily, and does what you want it to.

Methylone has a very clean and efficient texture, good on the nose and good for your soul
Mephedrone the complete opposite.

I would never buy an RC from the streets, so this isn't a "What drug is this" thread. I can imagine plently of non drug users thinking that its a good way to make money and reselling 50mg of 2c-e, 1mg of 5-meo-dipt, 20mg of JWH018 etc. etc.


I could understand how it came off that way though, sorry for not emphasizing my point in the begining.
 
Roger&Me said:
^Well if you thought the DOM was a 2C-x and took 20mg of it, I'm pretty sure you'd be a little bit farther out than the moon. A couple light-years past alpha centauri would be more like it. :D
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Actually he would have an intense DOM experience, which includes a VERY ampy body high, muscle tightness, vasoconstriction, detailed visuals that look kinda fake and wannabe-LSD-like and realizations about everyday life.


I wouldn't even call DOM cosmic at all, it didn't even take me out of my regular frame of thinking and didn't bring out my subconcious mind.
 
Give it up Killo. :\

Every time someone even mentions a DOx or something pleasurable or positive coming from it you immediately throw it down.

Let it go already. We're tired of listening to your same old shit.
 
I wouldn't trust his claim of a short-lived fecal smell. The weird smells of trace impurities are often not-good, and are so slight (usually) you can't tell much from it. JWH compounds with the napthoyl moiety will usually smell like napthalene (mothballs) due to an impurity, but are odorless if pure.

I assume the OP has a sample of something they are told is a specific compound, but realize that all white powders look the same, and so are nervous that it could be somethign stronger than it's supposed to be.
In that case:
Pill test kits offer a way to quickly prove that it's something it's not supposed to be...
I think that's being excessively cautious - start tasting at the hundred-ug level (liquid dosing) to make sure you're getting the effects you'd expect (since you know what the drug is supposed to be and hence what to expect). 100ug of anythign an RC vendor might have wouldn't kill you.

It's not a test that you expect to turn up anything, just to catch the very rare events. In 99.9x% of cases, you get what you ordered or something less powerful. That's at least an order of magnitude better than street drugs


You can't judge on the consistency of the powder. Simply dissolving it in a solvent and evaporating the solvent will produce powder with a different consistency. Moisture can effect how the powder behaves, as can trace impurities, etc. Nor color, since almost any pure RC will be white, and yellow if impure, and you have no hope of telling the off white of dirty DOx from the off white of dirty anything else.

Now, with a sample of a drug you have no clue as to the identity of would be something to throw in the trash, not taste-test.
 
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crakkbakk said:
2c-e has a very messy texture. It clumps, smears, and in general is pretty inconvenient.
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i can attest to that.
if it werent such an amazing chem, i wouldnt want to deal with that fine powder that seems to stick to everything.

2C-T-2 is the easiest to handle, from my limited experience,
it always sticks together in nice tufts of about 1-2mg.
its a shame its such a shitty chemical.
I have 400 mg just lying around
 
I'm kind of interested as to why you're so specific here, OP?

I do believe nuke posted a means of testing for DOx chemicals though using regular reagent testing kits....unless I dreamt that...
 
stormyweathers said:
i can attest to that.
if it werent such an amazing chem, i wouldnt want to deal with that fine powder that seems to stick to everything.

2C-T-2 is the easiest to handle, from my limited experience,
it always sticks together in nice tufts of about 1-2mg.
its a shame its such a shitty chemical.
I have 400 mg just lying around
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See, the 2C-E I have is much easier to work with than 2C-T-2 i have. The 2C-E behaves nicely, though slow to dissolve, while the 2C-T-2 is hopelessly fluffy, an errant breeze will send it airborn, and the 2C-I is very clean to work with. My point being that the consistency of the powder varies between samples.
 
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