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When is it okay to start exercising after meth and other abused substances?

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Yeah, apologies. I'm probably not in the BEST state atm to be reading/replying to posts with exact precision, but doing the best I can lol!

The reason I signed up to this forum was for Education/Harm Reduction and having already learnt so much in the short time I've been here. Will always welcome criticism and advice with open arms! No offense taken and hoping I myself haven't come off as being a dick reading through my previous posts :\
 
Meth is very catabolic releasing cortisol which attacks fat and muscle.
What are your goals? Get fit or gain muscle etc?
A lot of bodybuilding i know use ECA (ephedrine/caffeine/asprin) or clenbuterol to loose fat whiles holding onto muscle.

Best bet is ease into it. Recently i have been trying to get fit and gain lean muscle mass after i long long period of drug abuse. I would advise to ease your self into it but the sooner the better. you can do low intensity cardio on meth i mean heaps of people use meth to "dance all night"
 
Mr Blonde said:
If aspirin was reducing the viscosity of the blood then it could possibly reduce the blood pressure, however the term 'blood thinner' when used for aspirin (and most anti-coagulants) is a misnomer. Among other things, the drug inhibits the formation of thromboxane A2, a lipid that increases the ability of platelets to aggregate. Therefore, aspirin is just reducing the ability of platelets to clot, not reducing blood viscosity.

The thromboxanes are also involved in vasoconstriction however, and vasoconstriction can definitely lead to increased blood pressure. However my understanding of it is that this vasoconstriction mainly affects coronary arteries and when it is not functioning properly leads to a certain type of angina. I don't think that aspirin will have much effect on the catecholamine induced vasoconstriction of methamphetamine.

You are right that the dose of aspirin required for this is low; 80-100mg will suffice, and at that dose there should not be adverse renal effects unless the person is quite dehydrated or already has renal problems.
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those dam medical people making such misnomers, in my field those terms are crucial lol, but I guess the medical field has to deal with the general public and make dummy speak of anatomical/complicated concepts.

Keeping hydrated would help to maintain lowish blood viscosity I suppose.

Your probably right then but I think Aspirin would be perfect for a 80 year old tweaker =D (and to get to that age as a tweaker they must have been taking it)

Now i am thinking about alpha or beta blockers for adrenergic vasoconstiction. Whatya reckon Mr Blondey??
 
Now i am thinking about alpha or beta blockers for adrenergic vasoconstiction. Whatya reckon Mr Blondey??
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Beta blockers might be the wrong choice, as they can lead to unopposed alpha adrenergic stimulation (this is a particular danger with cocaine). Alpha blockers would be suitable for reducing blood pressure though. :)
 
my appearance isnt the issue . rather all those times where my heart has been beating so hard / fast even a day or so without puffing . i just wanna do the ticka a few favours for my self induced strain on it but at the same time do not want to do certain things meaning excercise if i get advised not to .
 
p-man said:
Yeah, apologies. I'm probably not in the BEST state atm to be reading/replying to posts with exact precision, but doing the best I can lol!

The reason I signed up to this forum was for Education/Harm Reduction and having already learnt so much in the short time I've been here. Will always welcome criticism and advice with open arms! No offense taken and hoping I myself haven't come off as being a dick reading through my previous posts :\
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Mate don't worry about it!!

this is a drug forum after all so we can't be expected to post logically all the time!
If you want my advice, fuck reading back over your posts too much!
Everyone has posts that they wished never happened!

you didnt offend anyone, it was just clear you weren't reading or understandng the nature of my posts for whatever reason - I got all shitty cause id spent hours trying to give the most comprehensive and detailed harm reduction help i possibly could for the OP, and couldnt see any logical reason to oppose me, or how it would help the situation at hand.

still, I didn't mean to be unkind, my intentions were good at least!!

we'll leave it there shall we?
it's clear from your admirable sentiments of grace and humility that you are ultimately a sound chap.

Hahaha goddamn Bluelight! Who'd have thought it was a forum of drug users??

peace!

sorry OP this has no relevance here!
if you need anything, feel free to PM me.

peace out guys and girls.
 
Its all about knowing your body and your limits, being a committed athlete you know and feel when your straining your heart as the key to all excercise and life really is simply breathing and controlling your breath when doing strenuous activities. Key thing is Meth + Sport = Bad haha even I brake my own rules at times but I consider my situation and dosage and manage my routine to fit in a low intensity regime if sick or on the Meth, plus I get random performance enhancng piss tests so I detox after every hot or binge on Meth.

There are some great preworkout stimulant matrix's available OTC here in Australia, Mesomorph, Jack3d and EVO are just a few all with various coumpounds.
 
As for building and retaining lean muscle, high protein / calorie intake with moderate carbs depending on your goals. But remember bodybuilding / building muscle is ultimately a genetic thing, if its not in your families gene pool to be a mesomorph or endomorph then unfortunately your ability to gain masculine muscle is diminished.
 
mcwally said:
Now i am thinking about alpha or beta blockers for adrenergic vasoconstiction. Whatya reckon Mr Blondey??
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Don't combine beta blockers and methamphetamine, they're contraindicated. I can't remember why though. I was prescibed beta blockers to take for cravings but I made sure to never take them on the same day I'd used meth.

Ok here we go -

'Beta blockers should be avoided (after taking methamphetamine) because they can result in unopposed alpha-receptor stimulation, which would further increase heart rate and exacerbate vasospasm, hypertension, and cardiac ischemia.'
 
^Yeah I posted earlier on that there will be unopposed alpha adrenergic problems with this combination. The problem seems to be worse when beta blockers are used with cocaine though.
 
DJ 303 said:
i think youre entirely failing to see my point here!!

Have you actually read the sentences in this thread?
did you understand them?

Cause thats my point mate - you go hard! well done man - do you want a medal?

Do you think that by "cramping up due to substantial sweat loss"
and "pushing through to recovery clubs"
or "taking several substances along the way"

You aren't doing any damage????
This evidence of your apparent "hardcore" group of mates, makes you immune to future issues?
My point is, it's in the mail, coming to a party near you soon!

I've cained it too mate - you aint the first.
i aint hear to start cocksizing, but, don't even get into a conversation about how harcore you and your mates are.
You will lose.

My whole point is that you cain it, you get away with it, but nobody gets away with it forever!!!!
especially if you can't even manage the simple task of staying rehydrated!!

take it easy man!
this is harm reduction!
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Dude chill the fuck out.
His point was merly that his surprised nothing like this has happend to any of his mates. And that reading this thread has made him think about it. He wasn't dick sizing at all or challenging anyone about 'how hard' his group go. He was only saying that to further the point that his surprised nothing had happend to anyone yet and explaining the situation he was in. Which is fair enough, a lot of people that take meth arnt dances or the so and wouldn't put there bodies under the strain that people dancing hard for 8+ hours on meth would.
 
Mr Blonde said:
^Yeah I posted earlier on that there will be unopposed alpha adrenergic problems with this combination. The problem seems to be worse when beta blockers are used with cocaine though.
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Ah yeah, you surely did. I missed that when reading through quickly. Just thought it could be important to put the warning out about combining stims and beta blockers.
 
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