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When is it OK for a man to hit a woman?

llama112 said:
Hey everyone... please stay on topic and do NOT insult each other! I do not want to have to close the topic. It's a legit topic but you've got to be mature enough to handle it.

Now, my opinion on the subject.
You should only hit another person if needed. If you're a "big guy" and a "small female" hit you, you should not beat her up, no. Because a small hit does not equal a beating. However, if a small female was attacking a big male, then yes he may need to use some force. I would never recommend anyone use more force than absolutely necessary to defend themselves though... regardless of gender, size, etc.
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Well said llama112! Sorry for getting off topic. My bad
 
little BIG Pecker said:
And just to reiterate one more time:
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Do you seriously believe a woman can't easily knock a guy out, or even break something? Do you realize that some of us actually go to the gym (not bulk) and do MMA? I think you might be deluded if you think only a "girly-man" has to "step down" to keep a women from hitting him.
 
Dysphoric said:
Do you seriously believe a woman can't easily knock a guy out, or even break something? Do you realize that some of us actually go to the gym (not bulk) and do MMA? I think you might be deluded if you think only a "girly-man" has to "step down" to keep a women from hitting him.
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llama112 (Moderator) requested that we stop bickering at each other and allow this topic to survive. We have different opinions & that's that. No one is right and no one is wrong
 
One Thousand Words said:
I have never met a woman who could seriously hurt me
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Wow.. I don't believe you one tiny fucking bit. Either that or you don't get out much. The cop at my old school was a woman, and an MMA fighter.... everyone was afraid of her, for good reason. One of my friends was arrested and tried to throw an elbow to get away... He was fucking manhandled. Never seen someone so helpless, lmao
 
The question is best posed as, when is it okay for a person to hit a person? If force is valid only for self defense, hitting back is often not tactically optimal. If it comes down it, physically exiting the situation is often an available resort when other methods would either cause too much injury, cause the situation to escalate, etc. The problem is, in these situations adrenaline runs high, so people very often won't be able to think clearly to choose optimal tactics.

And as for retribution...is retribution ever justified?



lil big pecker said:
In my honest opinion. I believe only a girly-man. . .A real man. . .
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Real men are not concerned with being 'real men'.

ebola
 
Folley said:
Wow.. I don't believe you one tiny fucking bit. Either that or you don't get out much. The cop at my old school was a woman, and an MMA fighter.... everyone was afraid of her, for good reason. One of my friends was arrested and tried to throw an elbow to get away... He was fucking manhandled. Never seen someone so helpless, lmao
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Are you really that sensitive or naive to think that a grown man like 1KW has never met a woman that stood any physical threat to him? Or maybe you aren't into fitness and are slight of build.... I myself could never see myself being afraid of a woman, even if knives, bludgeoning instruments, or any other non-firearm weapon was involved.
There is absolutely no need to strike a woman, in the case of a violent outburst small joint manipulation, pain compliance techniques and joint locks will always be sufficient to neutralize the situation with causing lasting physical harm.
 
I'm a woman, but if I was a bloke and a woman hit me I would say "Hit me again and I'm off!" and if she hit me again, I would make good on my threat and leave.
People who lash out are generally quite immature, and cannot take rejection. The rejection would hurt more than a bitch-slap would.
If I was in a position where a woman was attacking me, I would get the hell out.
If we were in a position where we were stuck together (there's not that many, where a bloke cannot just get out of there) I would hold her arms adown firmly but not violently and say the same.
I don't get why men stick around when a woman is being abusive, why not just get the hell out?
 
ebola? said:
Real men are not concerned with being 'real men'.

ebola
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Agreed. Real men don't constrain and unwittingly discriminate against themselves for the sake of some poorly-designed cultural norms. Real men think for themselves.
 
Thanatos said:
Are you really that sensitive or naive to think that a grown man like 1KW has never met a woman that stood any physical threat to him? Or maybe you aren't into fitness and are slight of build.... I myself could never see myself being afraid of a woman, even if knives, bludgeoning instruments, or any other non-firearm weapon was involved.
There is absolutely no need to strike a woman, in the case of a violent outburst small joint manipulation, pain compliance techniques and joint locks will always be sufficient to neutralize the situation with causing lasting physical harm.
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Not sure if this post is unbelievably arrogant or satirical.
 
HCL, I could seriously picture you having a fist fight with a woman. Way to go! You should feel so proud of your self that you would actually scoop to that level. You are so cultured, liberal, and educated.

I would never in my life strike a woman if she took a swing at me. There are a lot of men I wouldn't take a swing at to.

HCL, if we met and you took a swing at me... I'd probably just wrestle you, then tell you to chill out.. Then buy you a drink

If the hot chick from the UFC came at me, I'd still try to wrestle her.

In most cases, you really don't have to punch someone in the face. Especially a freakin' woman HCL! I still can't believe you would justify that!

Would probably justify hitting a 12-13 year old boy in the face to...
 
And I'm sure a lot of you would change your mind if you saw some utube videos of men knocking out women.

Who in the hell would be an advocate of woman beating or being a woman beater ^^
 
HCL said:
Not sure if this post is unbelievably arrogant or satirical.
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My post was neither arrogant or meant to be satire. As a 6'5 male that trained in judo, sambo, aikido and jujitsu I am well prepared to deal with someone attacking me with bladed weapons, and dispatching the danger without coming to blows. Instead joint manipulation, and pain compliance techniques are much more effective and do not result in anything more than momentary pain unless the subject in question has an odd with to have their limbs separated from their joints.

Again, considering the fact that I've been in knife fights with grown men, and I hebte training to immobilize a violent threat, why would I be so filled with fear that I had to strike a woman hard enough to incapacitate her?
 
little BIG Pecker said:
HCL, I could seriously picture you having a fist fight with a woman. Way to go! You should feel so proud of your self that you would actually scoop to that level. You are so cultured, liberal, and educated.
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I don't self-identify as liberal. My social views are probably much more left-wing than an average Democrat.

I would never in my life strike a woman if she took a swing at me. There are a lot of men I wouldn't take a swing at to.

HCL, if we met and you took a swing at me... I'd probably just wrestle you, then tell you to chill out.. Then buy you a drink

If the hot chick from the UFC came at me, I'd still try to wrestle her.

In most cases, you really don't have to punch someone in the face. Especially a freakin' woman HCL! I still can't believe you would justify that!

Would probably justify hitting a 12-13 year old boy in the face to...
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Please tell me where I have suggested that punching a woman (or man, for that matter) in the face should be your go-to method of defensive force. It's acceptable in some cases, and entirely unacceptable in others. Like many things.

HCL said:
Don't completely beat the hell out of her for slapping you, but feel free to use some reasonable level of force in self-defense, and, yes, even retaliation. Often, a woman's lesser physical strength will make a smaller amount of force permissible, but that goes right out the window if she's armed or unusually capable.
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HCL said:
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There are lots of ways to defend yourself without knocking somebody out.

Would it be acceptable to use that level of force on her? Not in most circumstances, but if she posed enough of a threat, absolutely. I would normally respond to most women with a few blows and (hard) shoves, but if she was trying to severely injure or kill me, nearly any amount of defensive force would be justified.
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You know what I'd probably do? If someone attacked me but was completely ineffective and posed next-to-no threat, I would try to push them away and catch their attacks. If they landed a painful but not very damaging blow, I would respond in kind. Enough of that might earn heavier retaliation. It would really depend on the situation.

Moderately threatening attacks, like somebody trying to beat the crap out of me with punches and kicks, would justify a lot more force. Of course, this requires them to actually be somewhat capable, as not everyone could pull that off.

Women tend to be weaker than men, which is why I said that you should normally use more restraint with them. On the other hand, if some strong, aggressive, agile brawler comes at you, and she poses a significant threat, you have every right to respond to her like you would any capable assailant. She really doesn't have any right to gentle treatment in that situation.
 
Thanatos said:
My post was neither arrogant or meant to be satire. As a 6'5 male that trained in judo, sambo, aikido and jujitsu I am well prepared to deal with someone attacking me with bladed weapons, and dispatching the danger without coming to blows. Instead joint manipulation, and pain compliance techniques are much more effective and do not result in anything more than momentary pain unless the subject in question has an odd with to have their limbs separated from their joints.

Again, considering the fact that I've been in knife fights with grown men, and I hebte training to immobilize a violent threat, why would I be so filled with fear that I had to strike a woman hard enough to incapacitate her?
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That sounds impressive, to be sure. However, I'm fairly certain that, somewhere in this world, there exists a woman who could do a lot of damage to you with a knife. Unless you're Superman.

Thanatos said:
Are you really that sensitive or naive to think that a grown man like 1KW has never met a woman that stood any physical threat to him? Or maybe you aren't into fitness and are slight of build.... I myself could never see myself being afraid of a woman, even if knives, bludgeoning instruments, or any other non-firearm weapon was involved.
There is absolutely no need to strike a woman, in the case of a violent outburst small joint manipulation, pain compliance techniques and joint locks will always be sufficient to neutralize the situation with causing lasting physical harm.
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I'm guessing that "never" was supposed to be "ever".

A woman could do a lot of damage to a man if she was willing to and he was too handicapped by his "morals" to properly fight back. Hell, she might be able to do a lot of damage anyway--strength isn't the only factor worth considering a fight, which I'm assuming you're well aware of. Most of them are weaker than we are, but that doesn't make them harmless. To suggest or imply that they are is both sexist and arrogant.

"There is absolutely no need to strike a woman, in the case of a violent outburst small joint manipulation, pain compliance techniques and joint locks will always be sufficient to neutralize the situation with causing lasting physical harm."

If she picks up a knife, hammer, axe, or other melee weapon, she now has the ability to kill or severely injure him with a single, well-placed blow. At that point, there may well be a need to strike her. There may be a need to kill her. The moment someone picks up a weapon of any great power, it stops being just a fight and starts being combat. Anyone willing to kill can be dangerous.

Also, if you're really that great of a fighter, don't try to use yourself as an example. You are unusual. You learn techniques that most people do not.
 
I still can't see how throwing a punch back is self defence? Surely the best defensive move is simply blocking their attack.

It is only pride that makes a man need to hit a woman (or a man to be fair).

Then again I don't live in a ghetto, only surround myself with petite women and have never seen a hand gun let alone ever had the need to fire one in anger
 
Thanatos said:
My post was neither arrogant or meant to be satire. As a 6'5 male that trained in judo, sambo, aikido and jujitsu I am well prepared to deal with someone attacking me with bladed weapons, and dispatching the danger without coming to blows.
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Not everyone here is a 6' 5 martial arts expert. I agree some sort of hold or manipulation should be the first line of defense, but if some bitch is raging on me throwing punches and kicks then I'm going to punch her if I feel that's whats necessary to defend myself. Fight like a man, get treated like a man.
 
If you are any sort of man at all, you should be able to grab a woman by the wrist, force her to sit down and then verbally diffuse the situation.
 
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