When caffeine kills: Energy drinks under the spotlight

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Does this sound like you? Two cups of coffee in the morning, a coffee break at 11 or so, another cup in the afternoon and a cup after dinner? That might be enough to interfere with sleep or even give some people the jitters, but it’s nowhere near an overdose. It may also be nothing compared to what some teenagers are consuming to deal with schoolwork or job pressures.

James Stone, a 19-year-old from Wallingford, Conn., died in 2006 after he took nearly two dozen NoDoz tablets. Each tablet has about 200 mg of caffeine – about twice that found in a cup of coffee. But while it would be near impossible to down 48 cups of coffee in a few hours, it’s relatively easy to pop a handful of small tablets.

Now the question is whether guzzling energy drinks might be as dangerous as popping No-Doz.

The Food and Drug Administration is investigating reports that five people died and one survived a heart attack after consuming energy drinks. It is not yet clear whether the drinks actually caused – or even contributed to - those adverse events, said FDA spokeswoman Shelly Burgess.

“So far there’s been no causal link,” Burgess said. “There could have been other products involved. We don’t know that yet and that’s why we’re taking this seriously and looking into it.”

The six reports were entered into the FDA’s system voluntary reporting system over an eight year period, with the first surfacing in 2004. This system doesn’t necessarily show that a food or drug caused a problem – people can file an adverse event report if, for instance, someone has a heart attack after taking a drug or getting a vaccination. The two events could be coincidental.

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Caffeine is processed by the liver, so anything that stresses the liver can have the effect of keeping caffeine in the blood longer.This includes antibiotics such as ciprofloxacin, asthma medications and even herbal supplements such as echinacea.

The body absorbs caffeine quickly. It shows up in the blood five minutes after someone eats or drinks it.

According to Karen Collins, a registered dietician at the American Institute for Cancer Research, it takes at least three hours to clear half the caffeine from the body, and 15 to 35 hours to eliminate it.
How would caffeine kill someone? It sparks the release of natural compounds called catecholamines, including norepinephrine, a stress hormone that can speed the heart rate. People who have died from documented caffeine overdose had irregular and rapid heart rates, seizures and sometimes choked on their vomit.

Per Holmgren of University Hospital in Linkoping, Sweden wrote a report in 2004 on four people who died of caffeine overdoses. Two took caffeine pills. Doctors don’t know how the other two overdosed. “The lethal blood level is considered to be 80–100 micrograms (of caffeine) per gram of blood, which corresponds to an intake of 50–100 tablets,” Holmgren and colleagues wrote in their report, published in Forensic Science International.

“An overdose of caffeine alone, intentional or not, might be deadly,” they wrote.

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Notice how, when its an entirely legal drug, they mention that there is no proof that the drug caused it, and mention that other things could have made it worse, yet when its an illegal/semi legal drug, there doesnt have to be any proof, just misspell the drugs name and bitch and moan about banning it.
 
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so true. i posted an article about monster killing people and tried to make it sound like the bath salt scare and nobody got the humor :(
 
I had a psych professor earlier in college. He had never done illegal drugs or consumed much alcohol IIRC but he said one day he realized he consumed lots of coffee so he cut back to nothing from 8 cups a day and subsequently suffered through rough withdrawal but didn't realize what happened until he visited a doctor. It's so crazy that something that causes a withdrawal like he described is something that is on shelves everywhere, available for anyone of any age to purchase/consume.
 
The thing I hate about society tbh. People look down on you for taking pills or smoking weed yet at Uni fresher fairs and other cheap student nights they advertise energy drink mixers which are FAR more dangerous, it's just we never hear about it in the news.

1 can of Monster is the = of 5 cups of coffee or something, mixing that with alcohol is not a good idea
 
Someone was trying to say in another thread that caffeine is safer than cannabis. Well look at that, 5 documented deaths in this article that can be attributed in some part to caffeine. Ever hear bout that guy who OD'd on weed? Didn't think so. Not to say it cant exacerbate psych symptom and cause lung problems, but as far as drugs go it's one of the most safe that exist.
 
Except that a coroner ruled that the 14 year old girl died of caffeine toxicity.

That still doesn't demonstrate that the energy drinks caused it. Was she also drinking large amounts of soda, taking caffeine pills, on another substance that restricted her ability to metabolize caffeine?
 
The thing I hate about society tbh. People look down on you for taking pills or smoking weed yet at Uni fresher fairs and other cheap student nights they advertise energy drink mixers which are FAR more dangerous, it's just we never hear about it in the news.

1 can of Monster is the = of 5 cups of coffee or something, mixing that with alcohol is not a good idea

The caffeine content of most Monster Energy drinks is approximately 10 mg/oz (33.81 mg/100ml),[6][7] or 160 mg for a 16 oz can. (from the Monster wiki)

Caffeine tablet (regular-strength) 1 tablet 100mg —
Caffeine tablet (extra-strength) 1 tablet 200mg —
Drip coffee 207 mL (7.0 US fl oz) 115–175mg (from the caffeine wiki)

Its funny how the disinformation kind of works both ways... : /
Don't you find that a little bit hypocritical?
 
Someone was trying to say in another thread that caffeine is safer than cannabis. Well look at that, 5 documented deaths in this article that can be attributed in some part to caffeine. Ever hear bout that guy who OD'd on weed? Didn't think so. Not to say it cant exacerbate psych symptom and cause lung problems, but as far as drugs go it's one of the most safe that exist.

Not to turn this thread into weed v. cannabis, but have you ever heard of someone going psychotic on caffeine? Weed can definitely potently upset the mind.
 
Weed can bring out latent psychosis, caffeine can kill.
Weed probably brings out psychosis far more often than caffeine kills, though.
It is pretty hard to really judge (though recently in another thread I have argued that caffeine is more dangerous due primarily to the LD50 being attainable through snorting powder or taking pills).
 
^exactly. the LD50 of cannabis is pretty much unknown and nobody has been able to reach it essentially. So even if it causes psych problems (which I did agree with their existence in my earlier post, twas worded a bit badly though. ) My definition of "more dangerous" definitely ranks death by overdose higher than psychotic activation in some individuals with latent disorders. just my opinion tho I suppose.
 
caffeine is a serious drug i dont care what anybody says

ill try to find a source for it, but my brother was telling me that a local man died from drinking only two Monster energy drinks and died, supposed to be equal to like 40 cups of coffee or some stupid shit. i dont know any other details though so i cant make a judgement.

I reallly pisses me off how terribly addicted the world and primarily the US is to caffeine. there are ads on tv that advertising using the 5hour energy shots all day, every day! what kind of message does that send, when our society puts such incredible demands on people that they must be stimulated just for our economy to work. ya weed lsd and heroin are the problems. :|
 
but have you ever heard of someone going psychotic on caffeine? Weed can definitely potently upset the mind.

it certainly exacerbates bipolar- i know that much from personal experience. it made me really paranoid in school that people were talking about me and i would shout at them and get really angry. i do not take caffeine any more. i think it can trigger latent psychosis, yes if you drink a lot of it.

its a shit drug pretending to be something more juicy, give me coca tea any day of the week
 
caffeine is a serious drug i dont care what anybody says

ill try to find a source for it, but my brother was telling me that a local man died from drinking only two Monster energy drinks and died, supposed to be equal to like 40 cups of coffee or some stupid shit. i dont know any other details though so i cant make a judgement.

I reallly pisses me off how terribly addicted the world and primarily the US is to caffeine. there are ads on tv that advertising using the 5hour energy shots all day, every day! what kind of message does that send, when our society puts such incredible demands on people that they must be stimulated just for our economy to work. ya weed lsd and heroin are the problems. :|

Originally Posted by adamn
The thing I hate about society tbh. People look down on you for taking pills or smoking weed yet at Uni fresher fairs and other cheap student nights they advertise energy drink mixers which are FAR more dangerous, it's just we never hear about it in the news.

1 can of Monster is the = of 5 cups of coffee or something, mixing that with alcohol is not a good idea
Originally Posted by scureto1
The caffeine content of most Monster Energy drinks is approximately 10 mg/oz (33.81 mg/100ml),[6][7] or 160 mg for a 16 oz can. (from the Monster wiki)
Caffeine tablet (regular-strength) 1 tablet 100mg —
Caffeine tablet (extra-strength) 1 tablet 200mg —
Drip coffee 207 mL (7.0 US fl oz) 115–175mg (from the caffeine wiki)

Its funny how the disinformation kind of works both ways... : /
Don't you find that a little bit hypocritical?

I don't want to be belligerent, but god damn - did you read ANYTHING in this thread before offering your misinformed 2 cents?
 
thats alot of reading on a Iphone bro, but your right ill remake my post

caffeine is a serious drug, deadly drug that an incredibly large majority of the western world is addicted to.

misinformation thwarted:)8(
 
I used to drink 3-5 or sometimes 6, 8 oz cups of coffee a day or even 8 at rare times. This was caffeinated coffee too, and sometimes I'd make a cafezinho or espresso drink, or a shot in the dark which is espresso in coffee. I would make drip coffee with fresh ground beans or even with a French press.

I've cut way back and now I only drink 1-3 cups of coffee a week and a single cup of green tea in a day when I used to drink 2-3 cups of coffee daily, and 3 cups of green tea daily. Every so often I'll drink 1-2 cups of yerba mate instead of coffee or I'll even mix green tea into the yerba mate. Sometimes I'll drink chocolate or eat a square of dark chocolate. I've never had coca leaf tea but if I visited a country in South America where it's legal and went to a high altitude I would drink it then.

I never got into drinking Redbull, Monster, or any energy drinks. I had Redbull once and thought it tasted nasty like bubblegum and cherry cough syrup mixed together. I've had Jolt soda maybe once but I didn't like it, and I used to drink mountain dew when I was a teenager and young adult, and drank 1-2 cans a day in college a few times a week; but then got into drinking black tea and coffee instead.

When I stopped drinking all of that coffee or when there were days when I drank a lot of it and then didn't have any the next day I was fine but not everyone is this way. I know people who complained about getting horrible headaches when they didn't have coffee for a single day but that's from caffeine withdrawal.

I have a friend who when we were younger he'd go crazy with taking high doses of caffeine pills. He didn't take two dozen though and I remember at one time telling him how he might like a low dose of Dexedrine/Adderall but he never used those.
 
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James Stone, a 19-year-old from Wallingford, Conn., died in 2006 after he took nearly two dozen NoDoz tablets.

My question is : why?

Is it not well-established that caffeine has an OK safety profile taken in moderation? People have been dying from cafftox for as long as the coffee enema has existed.
Most bottles of caffeine pills I have seen (and caffeine containing energy drinks/products) have clearly printed warnings to not exceed one or two doses per day. The medical literature and even anecdotes from e.g. Erowid corroborate the fact that over about 300mg caffeine starts to rapidly lose efficacy. By 1 gram most people need to lay on the floor with a cool towel over their face to avoid panic attacks.
Maybe it's the typical gullibility of "one is good, more is better". In that case you really can't stop people from offing themselves. Were it not caffeine, they may have OD'd on 24 headache tablets next.

I just find it funny that people would do no research at all before ingesting 5 grams of alkaloid, without even thinking "hmm, if you drink gallons of coffee, you'll be wired as shit..." (Even most DXM heads do a cursory search of the FAQ.)
 
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