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Whats with the aggression?

josh: some people just go out of their way to wreck others nites :(
Can think of countless times where all i wanna do is dance all nite out on the club/raves floor and nothing worse than having some dickhead all over me and wont fuck off even when Im out right rude to them..its beyond me why they do it..
 
*sydkiwi*...do be mindfull of putting people into context like that...
i didnt get a chance to watch the mardi gra with my being at work but i went with some friends and watched em set up and only became aware of the anger out there by a frail old man in Hyde Park holding a sign saying...do what is right.leave you disgusting sinful life and returnto God...
there were mant others but what i want to know is are these people angry? or are they just hurting inside?josh you probably didnt do anything to the boy...he was probably either drunk or trying to be tuff.i walk through the city alotat night and i have seen what you have seen...its not pretty is it?!in every beautiful city, there lies the flaws. :( pity aint it?
*queensmack*
 
Josh - sorry to hear it.
this kinda things been happening, probably about forever, and will probably happen for the rest of forever.
i got beaten up whilst looking for a taxi after work 7 years ago by a bunch of 6 guys...not that i'm mentally scarred or anything...
i disagree with some of the advise here - carrying weapons mostly. this is dangerous as it increases the stakes of whatever is going on - it can turn a broken nose into something much more nasty.
wiretrippa's advice is identical advice to what i give - and if that fails, just hope for the best.
sometimes you're just unlucky - wrong place at the wrong time. try to be smart, and try to be safe - avoiding conflict where ever possible is the best policy.
 
Hey aussie, you sound like a real true blue aussie there mate, the type I really like.... can we hang out some time?.... Anyway i am definately really sorry to hear that man, it sucks for sure, its completely wrong and despicable, so dont take this as me standing up for the guilty parties in anyway shape or form at all. But.... (quote)Not that it really matters but they were all dark in complection (I will refrain from trying to guess their nationality because I dont think the nationality matter). if it really doesnt matter then why mention it? Im not trying to be a stickler or call you racist, but just be aware that just cos you said you "dont think it really matters" means its ok to say, you should just be aware that this is the type of predjudice that is often the cause of this type of thing occuring. If you want to do something to stop it then thats something (well actually i would consider it very big thing) that you can do to help stop it happening to someone else. peace.
 
I think it is an issue.
An issue thats most politically incorrect but when you start changing yourself to become politically correct you arent refining yourself. you are becoming a politician. A shell.
Dont get me wrong, there is most definately loads of agro people out there who arent aboriginal. Its just the sheer majority of cowardly 10 on 1 style attacks that I have witnessed or heard about involve them.
I have had my own experience and know other good friends, one who has been "glassed" from a broken beer bottle after it was smashed over his head and the other who was repeatedly hit with a cowboy belt with the large metal buckle end.
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Back at a tender age of about 13 I was attending a Blue Light Disco. Yeah Yeah give me some shit but everyones been to one :P
Anyhow as you know these are police sponsored/supervised events where kids are supposed to be allowed to dance and have fun without threat of danger, drugs or alcohol. It was actually held at a Police and Citizens Youth Club so ever staff member was or had a history in the force.
After enjoying myself with a group of friends for most of the night I found myself sitting down on a chair resting and looking out the large glass wall panels inadvertently catching the eye of the "leader" of a group of about 10 aborigines who were just loitering outside. I tried to look away but it was too late and they came up and started hitting the glass windows and yelling at me from outside, they tried to come in but the "police" wouldnt let them.
After the night ended (at about 10pm or something) I was standing with the group of friends chatting and laughing about the night when out of nowhere one of the little "wabbos" (white homie dude who hanged out with them) came up, grabbed me and pushed me down some stairs.
There was literally at least 100 people standing around and no one helped out..this was including police and parents coming to pick up their kids.
when i got up i was treated to 2 punches to the head before i had time to react and I went into flight mode and tried to bolt. As soon as i turned and ran the rest of them jumped me and started punching and kicking the hell out of me. 10 of them all aged around 16-18 beating on me, a 13 year old.
Cutting a long story down it was eventually broken up after about 10minutes and i was told to leave without ever being asked for my story or if i wanted to press charges.
Since then I have found myself predjudice towards both police and aborigines. Its the way I am now.
Before that night I was actually wanting to be a cop when older and at my older school was good friends with an aboringal boy so its a shame that an incident can change me for the worse like that.
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As for avoiding trouble? I did carry a knife around for a while after that simply because I was scared but it only took about 6 months to learn that wasnt cool at all and if i ever did use it would get me in more trouble than i needed.
I guess all that you can do is avoid trouble spots, walk main well-lit streets, hit the gym and learn a fighting skill.
Im not tanky by any means but because im so tall (6ft3) and have large shoulders people generally just dont start on me anymore. If you can beef up and make yourself look like more of a challenge it seems to scare them away.
Agro people suck. Id like to stress that I hold nothing against virutally any other person...be them black, white, yellow or a sort of transparent flourescent green colour.
But im not apologising for my loathing of aborigines. Not to anyone.
 
Nexus,
*smile* I got those rules from a very good friend who has had SAS training. I follow them.
Circlecircus,
I can understand how an occurence like that would fuck you up, and I'm not asking you to apologise, but think on something. My ex is 5'10", has dyed red hair, green/brown eyes, and incredibly fair skin. She is also Aboriginal. Now, if you were to meet her and chat to her, become friends with her etc, and then learn a week or two down the track of her heritage, would the friendship end?
Remember also that there are a few thousand people like this in Sydney alone.
 
About 4 weeks ago my cousin had a similar treatment. Only this time it was by an unprovoked, fuckwit, older man and a hammer[an inch higher on one of the strikes would have hit his temple and killed him]. He's supposedly going to be spending twelve weeks in hospital, as they have to cut the skin from his face, peel it back and repair the skull, and jaw fractures. Luckily he will live with the possibility of minor brain damage and likely major scarring. I have been lucky enough to avoid such treatment, I have been mugged, and threatened with knives, but never had the shit kicked through me [much as some of you would agree this treatment is necessary ;) ].
The one thing that I guess you can learn from such bullshit, is not to get into the victim mentality and retaliate. As often these attacks are by some insecure fuck who wants to dominate and destroy others, why continue the cycle of negativity? You can see the results of this when the office lackey goes postal, or the bullied child decides to project his angst in a hail of bullets at his classmates. As much as you detest what happened to you josh, taking revenge is just putting others into the circumstance you just experienced but you seem way to plurry for that.
Words of wisdom wiretrippa :) , and Tars, however anyone who would like to feel safer in a shorter period of time than mastering a martial art should really take a self defence course. These usually Illustrate quick ways of incapacitating, maiming or even killing [Touch of Death! Touch of Death! :) ] as a last resort. These usually utilise basic household items as well as simple techniques and I would highly reccomend taking one. If all the attacker wants is your money, then none of that is necessary.
On a related important issue apparently the best way for a female to avoid or halt rape is by defecating[though I hear Thoth will pay lucrative sums of cash for this treatment]. Unfortunately this seems less of an option for males, but if any females have managed to filter through the testosterone of this thread please take care :) as apparently 1/3 of Australian females are raped before the age of 30 :( .
Peace. k2
 
circlecircus, you sound like john howard, not good.... and another point ... so a bunch of aboriginals beat you up when you were 13 and now you dont like aboringinals huh? well i wonder why they dont like us then? our fore fathers came here uninvited and killed them, so i guess its only fair they give a couple of us the beat down every now and then? You say it was along time ago? Doesnt seem youve forgotten to quickly either though does it? It wasn't you all those years ago that killed them/ forced them to live in the desert/ took away their children? Well Cathy freeman wasnt the one who beat you up either was she? see where im going? .... Anyway, not trying to single you out C.C, just trying to maybe help you see things from a different perspective is all.
Anyway, this actually does relate back to the topic in that the aggresion has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is often racial (or otherewise) predjudice.
..... oh yeah where did you get that 10 to 1 bit from? seriously...
[ 05 March 2002: Message edited by: tHeRiDdLeR ]
 
10 to 1 might have been a slight exageration(sp) but earlier in the topic it was discussed about severely outnumbered fights. Check em.
If i happen to sound like a politician then so be it, Although all i was giving was a truthful post that reflects how i feel. Not a watered down. sugarcoated one with well thought out "correct" terms in the hope it will reduce the chance of people jumping up and screaming how close minded and racist i am.
So if by telling the truth i sound like John Howard then that is a problem.
Wiretrippa:
Thanks for the non-judemental post/reply. Yes i would stay friends, im not inhuman enough to discard someone after I know/value them and have become friends with them.
However if i had known they were aboriginal at the start then my shields would have automatically been put up.
TheRiddler:
Fair they give us the beatdown is it? Fair that a 13y/old had a bruised, broken and stitched up face because of something his "forefathers" did.
I also dont like being held responsible for something that happened before I was born.
Do you go up to 19/y old Germans and call them Nazi Pigs? Maybe hurl abuse at a 19y/old American for Hiroshima as well? Why not yell at a 19y/old Japanese man about the way his "forefathers" treated prisoners in the war.
I await the inevitable reply...
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circlecircus: Your grudge is rather unnescessary... Yes you have a right to be angry at those who assulted you, but to hold a grudge against all aborigines is unfair...
Your questions seem rhetorical, but maybe you didn't realise how a parallel can be drawn to your own situation... If you can't blame all Germans for atrocities committed by Hitler and his followers, then how can you blame all Aborigines for something done by only a few?
 
hmmm, alot of what is being posted in this thread, reminded me of The New York Observer article thread from a little while back.
if it's not the aboriginal gangs it's the vietnamese gangs. if it's not the vietnamese gangs it's the lebo gangs. if it's not the lebo gangs it's the fucken wogs down chappel street. if it's not the fucken wogs down chappel street it's the australian bogans from broadmeadows...
i think what i'm trying to say is that there's a violent element in every community. lets not degrade ourselves by making broad generalisations about people due to race, colour, ethnic background or whatever... :(
 
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My turn to sound like ole Johnny Howard. I totally disagree with all that "Sorry " bull shit.
I am not going to say sorry for something I did not do. Aborigines can be pissed off till they are blue in the face. I didn’t do anything to them, and most of them haven't had anything done personally to them either. Yes their fathers, Mothers, Grandfathers, Grandmother etc. were used and abused but it is WRONG to think they can beat the crap out of someone, anyone, cause of something their great parents did or did not do!
GGGRRRRR things like this make me WILD! (BTW heh I like to voice my opinion, criticise as you will)
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Stupid people who think they are good cause they can out number a few friends and take their phones or what ever...
 
Sorry to hear what happened josh, i find things like this to be fucking disgraceful, i cant stand fights, nor can i stand fucking gang related fuckwits who just like to go around and start fights to make themselves feel better.
 
Saying 'sorry' is a gesture, its meant to bring about reconciliation which other countries like Canada have done already. I agree with it. It doesn't take much and would mean a lot to people I think. It doesn't mean that our generation has done anything wrong, it just means we are recognising wrong doings that have been done in our history.
I understand people having bad experiences, I've not had too many myself so can't comment. But, not really fair to write off a whole group of people just because of a few ... there's plenty of ignorant, agro anglo saxons around.
Can see this turning ugly really. :(
 
good point tarsalan.
i recognised that after i had posted and thought about it and the only way that i can come up with it is in this answer.
You are shaped by your experiences. For example:
If someone has a experience flying in a 747 where the engines cut-out and they plummet from the sky. Oxygen masks are dangling from the ceiling. Luckily the plane regains control and it does pull out. Everyone is *reasonably safe* and no harm done.
But is there really no harm done?
Would that someone be entirely comfortable flying on an airplane again? Even if it wasnt another 747 and a totally different airline, would they still be hesitant and apprehensive?
I think they would. I also think there would be a very good chance they will never fly again.
I admitted that the way that i think may not be the right way at all. I also admitted that I cant help but think this way. As i mentioned before, and as no one seems to have pointed out I have also lost all trust in police - im sure there are good, hardworking cops out there but that entire incident changed the way i view both police AND aborigines for good.
Yeah its unfair, but thats the way it is. A totally fair world will never exist as long as flawed species inhabit it.
Call me ignorant or whatever, it doesnt bother me. Im sure if i hadnt experienced what i had then i would be preaching right alongside you.
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Did you grow up in the country circlecircus?
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Sorry, I've read your profile now. Perth, explains it all really. No offense to Perth peeps but that's a seriously segregated city. If you get called a wabbo just because you talk to aboriginals that's pretty fucked up. Doesn't excuse any of their actions but I strongly suggest it's a contextual thing only.
[ 06 March 2002: Message edited by: respect ]
 
^^Whatever mate.
I've lived in various places around the world throughout my entire life so don't try to group me in with that whole
"crazy country kid who is too sheltered and stupid to know better"
Have you ever actually been to Perth? Why not make some predictable and unoriginal comments about Adelaide or Hobart if you want to be really clever.
Don't assume that I'm an inbred hick simply because I currently reside in a certain city that you appear to enjoy making long-distanced generalizations of.
"respect" your post (as admittedly was this rebuttal post) was neither informative nor helpful at all to the topic. Email me if you want to continue this off board.
On another note it seems that I am the #1 enemy here.
This is interesting as I am actually trying to state my opinion and back it up with experience and personal reasoning.
It seems that there are other previous posters that fit the "racist" mould a lot more than me, why am I the representative for all things bad?
Its just interesting because under normal circumstances I would have thought "aussie" to have been bearing this burden as his post is a much more full frontal attack.
But hey whatever.
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Argh! What the...? I didn't even notice aussie's post...
Thanks so much for your contribution aussie, thanks for showing just how racist and disrespectful some australians can be, even though they live in what is probably one of the most multiculturally diverse countries in the world... That's probably a bad thing to you though...</end sarcasm>
circlecircus: Understood, and yes, I can see how it would be hard to change the way you think now. At least you acknowledge it.
 
This topic raises some interesting questions..
The other night this girl rudely gave me shit about my died hair so I implied she was of low moral standards (i.e I called her a slut).
The next thing I know her boyfriend ran up and punched me in the side of the head.
We got into a fight and I beat the shit out of him.
As I walked off I remember feeling euphoric, invincible and tough - I felt on top of the world. Basically for me the experience was actually a very positive one.
I don't go out and get into fights, in fact that was about the third fight I have ever been in, and the only one I have won.
I don't think I felt good because I felt I had compensated for my inadequacies or got some deep pent up disilllussionment with society out of my system etc. I think the fact that I entered into combat, had a physical competion and walked away better off led to my satisfaction. It was like winning a tennis or soccer game, only more satisfying because I triumphed in what felt like the ultimate competition with someone.
I think the above reasons make fighting very attrative and even addictive to some people.
It is very raw and I think that people from the lower socio-economic spectrums (which ethnic minorities tend to fall into) feel that it doesn't matter if people have economic and social domination over them if they can kick their asses from time to time. I think they have the mentality (without necassarily having the insight to realise it) that it is the only way to get 'even' with people that have money, education and class - whether it is one on one or five disgruntled assholes kicking the crap out of some yuppie.
I think this also explains why they enjoy fighting people that won't fight back as these people tend to be in subgroups or of higher standing and thus there is some percieved gain to be had by dominating them.
I am by no means going to go out and look for fights in the future, but I can see why people do it.
As for the debate about racial groups particularly Aboriginals, I am going to somewhat agree with circle circus. I have had absolutely no positive experiences with Aboriginals. I have seen Aboriginals beat people up for no reason, lie around drunk in gutters and abuse people in the street for being white. It is human nature to group people (or anything for that matter i.e. Gestalt principals). If you have only had negative experiences with something you are going to negatively categorise it. The VAST majority of white middle class people who say they have a positive outlook towards Aborigines and aren't prejudiced are simply not being honest with themselves.
As for saying sorry, I am completely against it. It was earlier mentioned that it would be a simple gesture that would do a lot of good. To me it is far more than a simple gesture. I have admitted that I have a negative view of Aborigines but I have NEVER done anything to an Aborigine and therefore I wil NEVER apologise. I agree that we should acknowledge the gross mistreatment of Aborigines by whites in the past and address current problems faced by indigenous Australians but I saying 'sorry' on my behalf for something I haven't done is something I give no politician to do.
[ 07 March 2002: Message edited by: *=Regulator=* ]
 
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