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What's too young for trying MDMA?

There aren't hard and fast answers to what ages people should and shouldn't be introduced to drugs. In fact, age has nothing to do with it. Why do we have this idea that the best measure of a person is their date of manufacture? I have met 16 year olds with the maturity of a 40 year old, and vise versa. You know the kid, I presume, pretty well, which makes you the best person to make this call.

If you believe him to be mature enough to practice self-restraint and moderation, and to have enough self awareness to recognise in himself the signs of abuse before they become problems (rather than withdrawing into denial), then educate him as much as you can. Find out about neurotoxicity, read scientific journals, clue him up to the max so he understands exactly what will happen when the chemical hits him. If he is still curious, then you can let him try it.

As Oscar Wilde said, the only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
Because more than likely, a 16 year old will be less mature than someone who has 24 extra years of life experience. It's all about the person's life experiences. Millions of factors being involved in maturity, it's hard to put a specific age restriction on anything actually. So to fall in line with the "norm" that is 18+ equals an adult. Lots if not almost all 16 year olds simply do not have their shit together to tackle substances that induce a completely different state of mind than what was ordinarily available to you.
 
In my opinion you shouldn't take it at all before at least 18... to lean on the safe side I'd even give it a few more years and wait until your early 20's. This is coming from someone who has seriously abused it in the past.

It's not just about the level of maturity but also the fact that your brain will still be developing for years past your current age and MDMA (not to mention whatever other adulterants & byproducts from manufacture are in the pills) is neurotoxic.
 
Because more than likely, a 16 year old will be less mature than someone who has 24 extra years of life experience. It's all about the person's life experiences. Millions of factors being involved in maturity, it's hard to put a specific age restriction on anything actually. So to fall in line with the "norm" that is 18+ equals an adult. Lots if not almost all 16 year olds simply do not have their shit together to tackle substances that induce a completely different state of mind than what was ordinarily available to you.

You are correct, it is more than likely that a 16 year old will be less mature than a forty year old, but as the old jazz standard says, it aint necessarily so. Your advice (a flat out no) is based on a generalised idea of what a 16 year old is, and the one thing about generalisations is they're almost never accurate depictions of individuals.

My point is, "just say no" is not valuable advice. He should judge the situation for himself. You don't know the kid and you have absolutely no certainty in your implied prediction that he is going to end up abusing it.

Also, I have an issue with the whole "life experiences" thing. Experience doesn't automatically equal wisdom. Some people are smarter than others, regardless of their age. Plus, the kind of qualities useful when taking drugs do not necessarily come from ordinary life experience. In fact, they often come from hindsight, after having taken and probably abused drugs. If he isnt ready now, I sincerely doubt he's gonna gain some massive insight, between now and the next year-and-a-bit, that will suddenly render him mature enough to handle MDMA. You don't magically transform into an adult on the eve of your 18th birthday.
 
I agree: around 18-20 when you can fully understand the physiology behind what is happening to your body. Any younger the brain isn't fully developed and you're still growing.
 
I agree: around 18-20 when you can fully understand the physiology behind what is happening to your body. Any younger the brain isn't fully developed and you're still growing.

This is the simplest, most pure reason as to why he should wait. Wonderful response.
 
IME from doing e about 50 times and over 5 pills each time sometimes up to 10, its to young.that's when I started at about 15 and regret it. What once were good memories, now I look back and it was all just bullshit, no real love or anything like we claim. Some ppl say its better to get the drug use out of the way early, some say later in life, now I say never at all, especially E. Good luck
 
Can't speak for anyone else, but I'm glad I held off on trying E until I was an adult (26). It's fun and awesome and life-changing, which is exactly why most people want to do it over and over. Then there's the potential for "loss of magic" and side effects like depression on the comedown that get more intense the more you use. Why not wait until your brain is fully developed to risk starting that cycle?

I feel the same about waiting to try opiates, stimulants and most other non-marijuana drugs, not just MDMA. Even alcohol is risky for teens. But people are gonna do what they want and it's not my place to "should" on anyone. Just make sure your friend does his research first.
 
It's a good thing you can predict the future, next time I have a question I'll just go straight to you.:|

I have no Idea what would happen if I roll with him, I beter just leave it alone and go find some drug proven less neurotoxic To indulge in.

Just saying what I and every other 16 year old i knew did trying ecstasy. It's pretty hard to not abuse if you don't SEE any negative side effects, especially at that age. Once they see the consequences, then control may be exercised
 
i met a 15 year old girl that only rolled at shows, a basically monthly basis, but in 3 months time she started rolling on a weekly basis... don't give kids drugs please. i'm 18 so i realize im not that old but had i got into this shit when i was younger theres a very strong possibility i'd be a mess now.
 
If they are old enough to fight for their country they are old enough to make the decision to use pills. If they are worried about being caught by their parents / teachers then they are probably too young to be using drugs!
 
hahahhhaa I just got a funny thought as the op being Doc Brown and the kid being marty mcfly. Hes the fairly out there older man trying to guide the fairly resonsible curious kid lol.
 
I wouldn't facilitate it, personally. But if your friend really wants to do it he can probably find it, considering he's experimented with other drugs.

I'm glad I waited until I was old enough to appreciate it properly. The mind is still developing at that age. Even after seeing several people who had some real problems after MDMA abuse, it was hard to keep the urge in check once I tried it. It's just that good.
 
I'd say 16+ is okay. But it really depends on the person. It's not so much that you have to be responsible, but you have to be intelligent (or maybe open minded) enough to understand what you're getting in to. And again, I don't expect a 16 year old to understand the full consequences of doing hard drugs, but at the very least you should understand that you're not just taking some some random pill. Idk, it's difficult to explain. You can be an addict and create for yourself, but you can still be an intelligent person - and I think that's the most important thing.
 
I'd say it would be OK to try it ONCE, at small dose - like 1 pill.

As long as it was a few years later that he does it again - but with X, the chances of that are slim.

It's so amazing you want to try it again, fairly soon afterwards.

I'd hold off - at least til he's 18 or so. 18 is when I did my first ecstasy pill, and I never got into a habit of doing it often, so just tell him "you have a long life to live, why rush into things like this?"
 
I say 16 is too young, but you won't listen to that vote, because it's not what you want to hear.
 
Well I popped my first bean when I was just 15, in fact 15 by only a few hours.
I'll never forget that night.
Green Euro's, they were stunning, and I ended up doing 2 and a half and losing my virginity to a gorgeous girl I'd loved for years.

It opened my eyes to the incredible fortuity of simply existing, and the striking beauty of the nature of the universe.

I realised then in those moments of clarity and euphoria how much I had taken everything for granted with the onset of adolescence, and how gloriously complex and wonderful the nature of life is that infintely surrounds us.

That positive and refreshing view of the world stuck with me, it changed my life.
Suddenly I wanted to read, to learn about everything, to welcome all experience with curiosity, and to understand in depth the nature of the human mind.

I grew up.
In one night, over one weekend.

I found the other kids at school underdeveloped, immature and infantile.

I became fascinated in human behaviour and sociology/anthropology.

I realised the futility of violence, war and aggression, the manipulative nature of the media, and the false hopes and happiness that is the material capitalist system of consumerism.
How we are blinkered and fed propaganda, deluded into believing in the illusion of "freedom", kept dumb by the disenfranchised masses, media-fed and led to believe that your clothes or shoes or car "defines" you as an individual and will give you lasting happiness and status.

When it's all just one big distraction.

One big disguise to prevent us from feeling this good. Preventing us from coming together away from the "taxable" and "profitable" controlled "fun" that is your average inner city trendy bar.

How dangerous would it be for the corporate machine if we all began listening to music that was truly underground and against the popular music industry, consuming substances on the blackmarket at no profit to the man, attending free rave parties away from revenue generating nightclubs, unpredictable and unmonitored individuals realising that they have found something better, that they don't need the 9 to 5 gold-plated daily grind and the matching tea-set, they have tasted freedom, they group and mass together unpoliced and unprovoked with dangerous anti-establishmental theologies, a contempt for the pursuit of meaningless monetary wealth, a sudden understanding of the nature of it all, and therefore a threat to national security?

I continued to pop pills almost every weekend or at least every other weekend until I was 18/19 years old.

I pursued the dance music scene, the rave industry, the early 1990s acid techno free-party collective, travelling around Europe in old buses and trucks, carting soundsytems, living off the grid, rent-free, learning to DJ, doing gigs, meeting other like-minded individuals with fascinating stories to share, and dancing dancing dancing the days away free, poor, and happy.

Eventually I chilled out on the beans long enough to gain some qualifications of use in the music industry.
I built skills in sound engineering, gained experience of promotion and organisation, and passed with distinction as a percussion teacher.
I eventually got bookings, released tracks, and set up my own label.
I booked international artists and they booked me back.


That all began decades ago.
I'm still living the dream.
Sure I'm married now,
20-odd years on from that first pill,
but I'm still Partying, producing, and performing.
In pursuit of lasting fulfillment and happiness through experience, knowledge, wisdom, love, freedom, friendship, achievement, self-improvement, dance and the occasional drug induced euphoria.


Still pursuing the ever-evolving dance music scene,
Still relatively poor in terms of financial wealth,
But in terms of experience and achievement,
I'm the richest motherfucker I know.

I'll never forget my 15th birthday.
It's been non-stop since then......

But yeah, it was probably too young I guess.
I must be one of the lucky ones.
 
I'll never forget my 15th birthday.
It's been non-stop since then......
There you go, 15 is too young to understand the dangers associated with MDMA use.

I agree: around 18-20 when you can fully understand the physiology behind what is happening to your body. Any younger the brain isn't fully developed and you're still growing.
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