What's a heroin high really like?

[RicardoMontoya]

So I have experience with opioids (tramadol, oxycodone) and hence I know what an opioid high feels like (I often nod out on a decent dose of oxy especially if potentiated with a benzo).

But what's a heroin high like compared to other opiates? What makes it unique and so damn desired?
i keep desiring it more and more everyday but I don't have access to it where I live (a blessing in disguise I guess)

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Gonna slide this over to Drug Culture.

 

[Jabberwocky]

There's nothing really special about heroin compared to oxycodone. It essentially feels the same, just much much stronger and also hits you faster via any ROA.

The nods are much more powerful and longer (to the point where you literally can't move or will stumble around if trying to walk), it's more sedating than oxy. Stronger side effects such as vomiting, double vision or constipation.

Other than that... just multiply the effects of high dose oxy by 5-10x, and you have heroin.

It's simply oxy on steroids and a Ferrari. Nothing particularly different about it.

 

[RicardoMontoya]

There's nothing really special about heroin compared to oxycodone. It essentially feels the same, just much much stronger and also hits you faster via any ROA.

The nods are much more powerful and longer (to the point where you literally can't move or will stumble around if trying to walk), it's more sedating than oxy. Stronger side effects such as vomiting, double vision or constipation.

Other than that... just multiply the effects of high dose oxy by 5-10x, and you have heroin.

It's simply oxy on steroids and a Ferrari. Nothing particularly different about it.

The potency makes me wanna try it so hard although as I said I don't have access to it where I live but when I move to a big city I'm sure I'll find something. Telling me not to do it is useless because I'm too stubborn

 

[Jabberwocky]

Telling me not to do it is useless because I'm too stubborn

Everyone who has done heroin, with half a brain, will tell you not to try heroin.

It's one of those drugs that's too good to be true and immediately corrupts your soul... forever. I personally introduced about 5 people in real life to heroin, 3 of them died from it several years later, including my first ever girlfriend from highschool. Weighs heavy on me. It's just the way it is.

We are a harm reduction forum so the warnings about using heroin are only natural, it's up to you if you want to ignore them.

I digress, what country are you from?

 

[cdin]

So I have experience with opioids (tramadol, oxycodone) and hence I know what an opioid high feels like (I often nod out on a decent dose of oxy especially if potentiated with a benzo).

But what's a heroin high like compared to other opiates? What makes it unique and so damn desired?
i keep desiring it more and more everyday but I don't have access to it where I live (a blessing in disguise I guess)

it's just another mu-agonist. The hype is BS. If you take oxycodone at equipotent dose, it's more or less the same unless you switch up ROA to IV. Then it has a flash in the pan rush, like dilaudid or coke or something, but let me be clear -- this experience falls into false samadhi category at best. It's a distraction, that is fascinating for a short period until heroin devolves into what all mu agonists devolve to - a job that you pay instead of it paying you. They use diacetyl for children in UK in sniffable vials. Truly, an opioid is an opioid is an opioid if controlled for equivalent dosage and ROA. the only exception to this are things like tramadol, tianeptine and kratom that have a wider variety of receptors affected.

 

[cdin]

so to answer your question: if both are sniffed/eaten at equipotent dose -- it would be difficult to distinguish it from an oxy dose.

 

[paranoid android]

I have done Darvon, tramadol, codeine, demerol, oxycodone, morphine, dilaudid and fentanyl. I think that's it anyway. But except for the first few times i tried demerol and the time my doc first scripted me gabapentin with morphine i have never gotten a nod or felt uncoordinated in the least. I tend if annything to get more energy and feel like doing more shit like cleaning and stuff. Im jealous of guys that can nod. I have no real desire to go out of my way to try heroin although if i came across pharma Diamorphine id fucking well try it.

 

[Jabberwocky]

so to answer your question: if both are sniffed/eaten at equipotent dose -- it would be difficult to distinguish it from an oxy dose.

I could argue this, but ultimately you're not incorrect.

I could distinguish between the highs fairly easily, but it wouldn't really matter much because I'd be in heaven either way.

Potatoes Potatoz

The one obvious difference is heroin lasts about 30-40% longer than oxycodone.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Like snaffy said? Just don’t even start fucking with it , it is a decision you will 100% regret in the future when you’ve dug yourself a hole you can’t climb out of, don’t be a dummy stick with weed n shrooms

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

To me it's the best of what I've tried opiate-wise pretty much; in a close tie with dilaudid and pure opium.

Snorted or chased I don't think it's that much different from anything else in that class of drugs. IV is a different kettle of fish. I mainlined first time and never looked back.
I could say 50% recommend you give it a go and 50% warn you off having a go, and for basically the same reason haha. Though the quality is shit most places nowadays and if you're in the US it's all fentadope anyhow. So ya probably dodged an opportunity to fuck yourself over good and proper.

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I'm a poor opinion since I tried Heroin once only, but I'll give my take.

You know how a bunch of pain pills will give you a nod which feels extremely good, but you have to try to stay awake. You play with your dose and/or force your eyes to stay open if you overshoot the sweet spot since falling asleep will waste the high.
Heroin to me felt like an opiate which put me into a strong, pleasant nod but there was no chance of falling asleep. You just nodded and drifted but effortlessly stayed awake for it.

I told myself I would try it one time and I generally have decent will power. However, with Heroin I tried to get more to "try it just one more time".
Thankfully, I got ripped off and couldn't get any for a few days. That caused me to step back and not have another go. I likely dodged a bullet.

 

[RicardoMontoya]

It doesn’t feel the same to me
but it’s different for everyone
heroin back when it was really good pure what they called China white heroin and the regular brown powdered heroin made me feel waves of euphoria and had me sitting with my eyes closed in a bubble of pleasure

oxycodone I can do tons of and I will never nod and only if my tolerance is absolutely zero like coming back from a relapse do I feel the sparkley feeling of euphoria for the first snorting it back but even then I don’t nod

everyone Feels shit different though
which is why giving advice to people is good but the reality is it’s very individual
just like when you smell a perfume or cologne on someone and then you buy it for yourself or your partner and it smells completely different
it’s your body chemistry
everyones is different and reacts differently

I nod pretty hard on oxycodone especially when I potentiate it with clonazepam (please guys don't do it, it's dangerous, don't follow me)

 

[RicardoMontoya]

To me it's the best of what I've tried opiate-wise pretty much; in a close tie with dilaudid and pure opium.

Snorted or chased I don't think it's that much different from anything else in that class of drugs. IV is a different kettle of fish. I mainlined first time and never looked back.
I could say 50% recommend you give it a go and 50% warn you off having a go, and for basically the same reason haha. Though the quality is shit most places nowadays and if you're in the US it's all fentadope anyhow. So ya probably dodged an opportunity to fuck yourself over good and proper.

I would never IV anything ever again. I tried it with oral liquid solution klonopin, did nothing and also, don't wanna get abscesses or ruin my veins or worse, die

 

[RicardoMontoya]

I'm not from the US and I've never heard of dope cut with fentanyl here...

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

... And how it feels? Blissful ; like being wrapped in ten layers of cotton wool. Body is flushed with warmth, limbs feel heavy but in a good way. Don't wanna move, content to just lie there and drift. On a lower dose feel sociable and talkative.

 

[Hexenstahl]

It's one of those drugs that's too good to be true and immediately corrupts your soul

Heroin doesn't feel that much different from other highly potent opioid full agonists, so that's not where the danger lies. Heroin doesn't "corrupt your soul" anymore than Oxy does. I actually found the high of Tilidine to be much better than heroin when I was still opioid naive and harder to resist than snorting a line of good quality brown sugar. The danger of heroin lies primarily in its widely varying potency which, yes, can cause unintentional death but it's not more addictive than other opioids. That's a dangerous myth originating from the name and history of "big bad heroin" which in turn leads drug newbies to commit the grave mistake of using low-potency opioids like codeine because "it's not heroin", naively thinking that the addiction to pharma opioids is somehow lower or more manageable.

But what's a heroin high like compared to other opiates? What makes it unique and so damn desired?

To answer your first question: heroin doesn't neccessarily feel better than other opioids. Heroin, as a morphine derivative, feels more sedating but I personally find that the sedation also kills a good portion of the euphoria. I already mentioned above to Snafu that I personally enjoyed Tilidine more, as it gave me a lot more euphoria with no sedation at all. I tried Tilidine first and Heroin later on, and I was actually disappointed that heroin made me feel more heavy than happy. If my tolerance wouldn't be so high, I would have actually sticked to those pills instead of doing heroin that I personally find much less appealing than Tilidine. That stuff was just pure, unadulterated, warm euphoria in a pill for me. It motivated me to do things like writing poetry or philosophizing about various things. With heroin I'm just nodding in this liminal state of half-sleep in some corner of my apartment doing nothing.

Now to your second question: the desire after heroin does NOT stem from its supposedly better high (something that is highly personal anyway), but from its affordability. People who switch to heroin usually do so because they already are heavily addicted to opioids but can't afford their pharma pills anymore and therefore switch to the cheap black market alternative. The non-addicted ones who are drawn to heroin, start using it because the drug (mis)education and the media/hollywood make heroin look like it's something special among opioids. It gave heroin this "magical" status. You said that you already use Oxy. It's very likely that you will be actually disappointed from heroin. Just stick to Oxy...or better yet stop doing opioids. This substance class isn't like weed where you, despite increasing tolerance, can just smoke more and feel high like the first time. The honeymoon phase of opioids will be eventually gone and you're just left with an expensive addiction that doesn't do anything but prevent you from becoming dope sick.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

I agree with the above poster that heroin has an unnecessarily legendary status; the mythology about it could fill an entire book. I also keep telling people till I'm blue in the face that heroin isn't somehow inherently more 'addictive' than other opioids, or any other drugs for that matter.

Also, again, I agree and I keep saying that how anyone responds to any given drug and what you 'get out of' it is HIGHLY individual. A good friend of mine swears by morphine and says it gives him a great rush every time. I've never had that reaction to morphine, but I love heroin. Most people seem to prefer hydromorphone over oxycodone (myself included), but for others it's the other way round. Etc etc. It's impossible to generalise about drug effects other than to say X is more potent than Y.

 

[moonyham]

I've smoked heroin and yeah I would say it's like oxy but hits you harder and faster. Very warm, cozy feeling. For me it's easy to go from that place to a bit too far and get the sweats and feel nausea. But yeah it's very similar to oxy really. Probably more sedating for me personally. On oxy I would go on bike rides and do shopping and random shit but heroin I didn't leave the couch.

Personally I didn't find it as addictive as oxy. Part of that stems from how much cleaner oxy is than heroin but also I always found it difficult the few times I did it(maybe a dozen times) to get the sweet spot. I would often over do it.

 

[TheUltimateFixx]

Personally I didn't find it as addictive as oxy. Part of that stems from how much cleaner oxy is than heroin but also I always found it difficult the few times I did it(maybe a dozen times) to get the sweet spot.

That's what kept me chasing. It's the same 'intermittent reward' principle you get with gambling. You think the next throw of the dice is gonna be a win. With a drug where you can never be sure of the exact potency, getting the dose JUST right to hit that 'sweet spot' is always gonna be an educated guess.
But WHEN you do, aahhhhhh....