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its.euphoric

its.euphoric

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It isn't necessary to experience something to realize that it's not good for you. It isn't necessary or desirable to experience everything to have a full life. You only have so much time here. Use it wisely.

Some experiences will harm you and leave you unable to appreciate other, simpler, more beautiful ones. I imagine that the intense sensory and emotional overload of an X high just leaves normal day-to-day experiences of love seeming bland and empty by comparison. How can you sustain a loving relationship over the long haul when you keep looking back at an X-induced fantasy experience as your ideal? It's not real.

It's bad enough to see people harm themselves with such dangerous substances, but then to go out advocating their use to others is even worse. When I see people do this, I wonder if they are trying to make themselves feel justified about their own poor decisions.
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This was just someone who posted on another non drug forum.

I mean.. I've never felt like normal life is worse. Like I've never felt like... oh my gosh life sucks now that I did ecstasy. Like I wrote back that it actually has made me appreciate love and friends more.. but like, how do you get someone to believe you?

idk, i just hate it when closed minded people make stupid assumptions, and one part of me just wants to be like... ok I just give up, you're an ignorant dumb ass, but then another part of me just wants them to know the truth... that it really isn't bad, and actually is quite amazing.
 
I feel the same way as you do on this topic. I don't see life dull and boring, I actually see more joy in life now that I have done "x". It makes you appreciate things, maybe things you may have taken for granted.
Im going to go with the fact that this person has never done x at all? It seems awfully judgmental for someone to say that and not even give it a chance. As far as advocating the use, i don't believe I do that. What i do believe is that i convey the truth about x to my friends and other acquaintences just for the simple fact that too many people are mis-informed. I hate to see that kind of thing, people knocking something just because of what they have "heard" and not experienced.
 
You can't convince someone to believe something if they don't want to. Drugs change people, just because yours was a positive doesn't mean others have had negative experiances that form their idea about drugs or a certain drug.

And too many people for opinions about any and everything that they havent experienced or seen first hand, so that post wasn't outrageous as almost everyone is guilty of forming opinions with insufficent facts on one subject or another.

Just my opinion ;).
 
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I feel the same way as you do on this topic. I don't see life dull and boring, I actually see more joy in life now that I have done "x". It makes you appreciate things, maybe things you may have taken for granted.
Im going to go with the fact that this person has never done x at all? It seems awfully judgmental for someone to say that and not even give it a chance. As far as advocating the use, i don't believe I do that. What i do believe is that i convey the truth about x to my friends and other acquaintences just for the simple fact that too many people are mis-informed. I hate to see that kind of thing, people knocking something just because of what they have "heard" and not experienced.
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ya he had never done anything.

And ya, I know. People are soo mis-informed about ecstasy, and most drugs in general.
 
Seriously. Now I want a link so I can go back you up, because that's all absolute bull. My life is plenty full and happy with or without MDMA in it. MDMA helps me put things into perspective and appreciate regular life MORE. Just like you said.
 
My response to that person:

The main ingredient in any drug you take is always you. The potential for abuse exists in all things we can consume. I would never encourage anyone with a history of alcohol and drug abuse to try a new substance.

I too feared that life would seem extremely dull in comparison to my vivid memories of ecstasy, before I tried it. I also feared my day-to-day life would seem dull before I went on a big trip to Europe much in the same way- I draw that parallel, not to say that MDMA is a "trip to Paris", but to say that MDMA makes every day sober life more beautiful and interesting, because of the memory of the mind-set it brings, much like a memory of any great event in your life.

MDMA has a long history of being a successful tool for PTSD, anxiety disorders, and depression. In "Ecstasy Rising" hosted by Peter Jennings, a woman who had been tortured and raped managed to come out of hiding and live a normal life because of MDMA therapy. This is the uniqueness of MDMA- it has actually helped people work through problems, rather than running away from them or "dulling" the pain.

MDMA itself claims far fewer lives than alcohol and prescription drugs each year, so it's considered on the low index of harm. The deaths that occur on MDMA are typically from over-hydration (hypotranea), dehyrdration, and other things not related to the chemical itself.

I've personally benefitted from MDMA in tremendous ways. I have no history of depression myself, but it came into my life during a challenging time of transition, and helped me make the change I needed to with love and confidence. I have not taken MDMA in over 4 months, but the clarity it brought to my daily life will always be with me.
 
Bsiren said:
My response to that person:

The main ingredient in any drug you take is always you. The potential for abuse exists in all things we can consume. I would never encourage anyone with a history of alcohol and drug abuse to try a new substance.

I too feared that life would seem extremely dull in comparison to my vivid memories of ecstasy, before I tried it. I also feared my day-to-day life would seem dull before I went on a big trip to Europe much in the same way- I draw that parallel, not to say that MDMA is a "trip to Paris", but to say that MDMA makes every day sober life more beautiful and interesting, because of the memory of the mind-set it brings, much like a memory of any great event in your life.

MDMA has a long history of being a successful tool for PTSD, anxiety disorders, and depression. In "Ecstasy Rising" hosted by Peter Jennings, a woman who had been tortured and raped managed to come out of hiding and live a normal life because of MDMA therapy. This is the uniqueness of MDMA- it has actually helped people work through problems, rather than running away from them or "dulling" the pain.

MDMA itself claims far fewer lives than alcohol and prescription drugs each year, so it's considered on the low index of harm. The deaths that occur on MDMA are typically from over-hydration (hypotranea), dehyrdration, and other things not related to the chemical itself.

I've personally benefitted from MDMA in tremendous ways. I have no history of depression myself, but it came into my life during a challenging time of transition, and helped me make the change I needed to with love and confidence. I have not taken MDMA in over 4 months, but the clarity it brought to my daily life will always be with me.
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good post.

Ya I told them all about how it's been used in therapy but people are just so ignorant.. it's like they don't believe it or somethin? I don't know.

And you're so very right about like the main ingredient being you.
 
Thank you- I get very defensive when people attack things they don't have experience with, especially MDMA, because it helped me tremendously. I even introduced my 53 year old dad to MDMA.:) Feel free to copy that if you think it will help your argument ;) Also, you can site the recent use of MDMA by our own military to help with PTSD for soldiers.
 
its.euphoric said:
I imagine that the intense sensory and emotional overload of an X high just leaves normal day-to-day experiences of love seeming bland and empty by comparison. How can you sustain a loving relationship over the long haul when you keep looking back at an X-induced fantasy experience as your ideal? It's not real.
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I swear, some people just have the most amazing imaginations.

I imagine that quantum physics means that I can fly. Whee! soars off into the distance
 
its.euphoric said:
It isn't necessary to experience something to realize that it's not good for you. It isn't necessary or desirable to experience everything to have a full life. You only have so much time here. Use it wisely.
Some experiences will harm you and leave you unable to appreciate other, simpler, more beautiful ones. I imagine that the intense sensory and emotional overload of an X high just leaves normal day-to-day experiences of love seeming bland and empty by comparison. How can you sustain a loving relationship over the long haul when you keep looking back at an X-induced fantasy experience as your ideal? It's not real.

It's bad enough to see people harm themselves with such dangerous substances, but then to go out advocating their use to others is even worse. When I see people do this, I wonder if they are trying to make themselves feel justified about their own poor decisions.
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This was just someone who posted on another non drug forum.

I mean.. I've never felt like normal life is worse. Like I've never felt like... oh my gosh life sucks now that I did ecstasy. Like I wrote back that it actually has made me appreciate love and friends more.. but like, how do you get someone to believe you?

idk, i just hate it when closed minded people make stupid assumptions, and one part of me just wants to be like... ok I just give up, you're an ignorant dumb ass, but then another part of me just wants them to know the truth... that it really isn't bad, and actually is quite amazing.
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Jokes on him, he's the one missing out on something incredible in life, we know this. Let him believe what he chooses to.
 
Bsiren said:
Thank you- I get very defensive when people attack things they don't have experience with, especially MDMA, because it helped me tremendously. I even introduced my 53 year old dad to MDMA.:) Feel free to copy that if you think it will help your argument ;) Also, you can site the recent use of MDMA by our own military to help with PTSD for soldiers.
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omg ya I totally know what you mean. Like when people say shit about stuff like drugs when they don't know anything... I get pretty defensive too.

Well i just posted pretty much that he had no room to talk because he had never tried anything then I went on to say that I felt bad for him and that he was just ignorant and too simple minded to acknowledge the fact that drugs are all "evil".
 
<< Exactly! :) I think it's amazing that people are willing to take legal prescriptions that have been proven to cause suicidal thoughts, feinting , immaculate conceptions (LOL), strokes, heart attacks etc. in research studies- but they think that doing a drug that's illegal, but harms few people is immoral and horrible. I don't trust the FDA- I put more trust my own bodies response, and what people who have actually tried a substance experience. I tried MDMA for the first time (very scared!) because everyone I knew who had tried it had a great experience, and they were all intelligent, well-rounded people with other interests.
 
Man, I second all of your thoughts. I've heard other closed minded people say similar things in the past and I'm at the point now where I just have to ignore it or else I'll get angry.

It reminds me of how sad my situation is right now. Most of my good friends I grew up with have all moved, just got married, or aren't my friends anymore and my new group of friends are pretty anti-drug. They are all very ignorant in the topic as they have never experienced any drug. I like hanging with them but I literally have NOBODY to roll with or even enjoy a spliff with. It sucks cause I like to party occasionally and experience that empathetic feeling with my friends but I can't anymore cause I have nobody to hang with that enjoys those things. They even give me shit for it sometimes but I get so heated cause they are so ignorant in the subject. You can't bash someone when you have NO clue what you're even saying.

That is like if I were to debate the American Economy with an economics professor. I know NOTHING about economics so I wouldn't dare tread on that matter with someone who knows very much about it.

It's just the ignorance that bothers me. I know if they gave it a shot they would most likely understand and be able to enjoy it but they never will...

I need some additional friends...
 
yeah.. I know what you mean. I sometimes wonder what it would be like to roll with friends that never do anything. Like they would open up so much.
 
there is that old saying,,,, you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink it...same thing goes with peoples opinions on certain subject matters,,, thus is life... i just continue to move on
 
ya, i would say that real life emotions only become boring if somebody rolls way too much.
 
Life for me has been better since I tried M. The feeling on M is the best feeling I've ever experienced. But it's given me a new perspective in life. I just feel so much more open to everyone else. And happy. It's made me appreciate things more, in general, once I've come down. And of course, being on M makes for a way better "night out" or "weekend out" than I've ever had.
 
My normal, sober life has been better since I've discovered MDMA. Using it doesn't make everything else lame. For me, it gives me a goal to shoot for. I try to make things in normal life as good as they can be because I know how good it can get. It doesn't really matter if they fall short.
 
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