What will become of these young steroid users?

Voxide said:
Ideally, one should begin training around age 16 and follow that continuous path for a solid decade before getting on.
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It's difficult. Speaking from the perspective of someone who's been in athletics since the age of 9 and lifting since 17. After a year of lifting I saw individuals picking up juice who were younger than me (16-17) and making incredible gains. I spent 3 years absolutely dedicated in the gym, researching nutrition and supplements and in the end it felt as if making even prime lean gains naturally was a waste of time compared to those who chose the route of juicing.

So rather than quit and end up pursuing a life of partying, I picked up a needle and started using peptides. I made good gains with ipamorelin and cjc, but it wasn't to the extent of what I wanted. I had my natural blood testosterone taken and I, like the rest of my family, was very low. Therefore I began running test at 20; I was officially one of those "idiotic" young juicers.

The point is, I never had any real support behind my lifting. The people I'm surrounded by have no passion for body building and it wasn't until a few months ago that I started to inspire people and meet new lifting partners in the gym. Anabolic steroids are not just a compound, but a lifestyle that one has to accept and be devout to. I've long since accepted the possible side effects of my actions and see that the most harmful side effect is the social stigma of steroid use.
 
Renz Envy said:
It's difficult. Speaking from the perspective of someone who's been in athletics since the age of 9 and lifting since 17. After a year of lifting I saw individuals picking up juice who were younger than me (16-17) and making incredible gains. I spent 3 years absolutely dedicated in the gym, researching nutrition and supplements and in the end it felt as if making even prime lean gains naturally was a waste of time compared to those who chose the route of juicing.

So rather than quit and end up pursuing a life of partying, I picked up a needle and started using peptides. I made good gains with ipamorelin and cjc, but it wasn't to the extent of what I wanted. I had my natural blood testosterone taken and I, like the rest of my family, was very low. Therefore I began running test at 20; I was officially one of those "idiotic" young juicers.

The point is, I never had any real support behind my lifting. The people I'm surrounded by have no passion for body building and it wasn't until a few months ago that I started to inspire people and meet new lifting partners in the gym. Anabolic steroids are not just a compound, but a lifestyle that one has to accept and be devout to. I've long since accepted the possible side effects of my actions and see that the most harmful side effect is the social stigma of steroid use.
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Can you ever come off or do you on test for life?
 
cuntball said:
Can you ever come off or do you on test for life?
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Do you english?

Yes this cycle will end around mid September and I plan to take a break for a little while.

Honestly TRT doesn't bother me too much considering I pretty much needed TRT to begin with.
 
MY Experience

did a cycle when I was relatively young 23-24, and did some research on the internet but not enough. I decided on a cycle of superdrol and possibly epistane (this was 2006)for 4 weeks, I did make some major strength(i mean benching 165 to close 315 and squating close to double) the strenth gains were amazing as well as the mass, I ate like a bodybuilder 10-12 eggs a day , gallon a milk, and lots of meat. I made some great gains strength and size, my nuts however shrunk and I remember ***sorry for the graphic info*** i nutted and it felt like they caved in, needless to say it scared the shit out of me. I ended my cycle a few days early and did a pct with clomid and the other pct drug that starts witha T ,sorry i cant remember the name. Well I felt like shit the whole time on superdrol and really couldn't believe the shit was legal, oral masteron--shit is whip but must be used with care--and not by kids thinking there like creatine. Well next cycle I did was kick off of test prop then test enath,also epistane toward end of cycle, and I fooled around with some peptides ghrp-2 and igf-1 if i remember correctly.. for 12-16 weeks (sorry can't remember exactly). Anyway the cycle went great felt AMAZING ON TEST, I'm usaully about 155 ripped and strong. On test i made it up to 185ish , I looked jacked and felt like the f'n man, I came off ok cause of the enanth being a long ester and started my pct, I kept going to the gym and retained 60-70%of my gains, I felt like shit though depressed and just not right, then I started smoking a lot of weed , and it made me feel very weird about doing roids. But all in all it was a learning expeirence I'M GLAD I DID MY RESEARCH FIRST, BEFORE ORDERING ANY THING, the Anabolic minds forum, helped me a great deal. Anyway I'm glad(I hope) did not do any permenant damage to my horomones. I still work out but I mostly do pull-ups and ride my bike....hope to get my ymca membership back soon...also I think(am pretty DAMN SURE) the roid's helped me make permenent gains as far as muscle memory(I've had other substance abuse problems). I can start working out after some serious hurt put on my body(not proud of ,very terrible and sad) and do a ridic amount of pull-ups and my abs are still hard as a rock. so this maybe just a ramble about my expierence but the best advice I can give is DO YOUR RESEARCH AND EAT ENOUGH FOR 3 MEN YOUR SIZE, also don't do cardio, ride your bike or get a bike , bikes build your legs like nothing else...anyway thanks for letting me tell my story.
 
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[S]alvatore said:
Haven't read the rest of this thread.

http://www.smh.com.au/executive-sty...-from-this-life-too-young-20110811-1ioik.html
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I don't know who to feel more sorry for - the young man who died, his family, or those that will now try to glorify or emulate him.

The kid was a fucking idiot. Tim Sharky warned him and begged him to fucking slow down with the drugs and steroids but Zyzz didn't listen.

His brother Chestbrah is fucking filth; Promoting (more like whoring) a shitty pre workout powder called Albuterex and still using steroids despite claiming he went natural in honor of his brother. He also claims great genetics; No faggot it's called steroids and plastic surgery. He wouldn't even be given a second look without his chemical and biological augmentation.

And both of them are faggots of the highest degree for selling overpriced underdosed gear. The posts are long gone on the forum they used to be on, but I remember the thread; Zyzz was asking if it was safe to divide one vial of steroids into two and add additional oil or B12 to to the two vials to fill them up in order to reduce PIP. I also remember them selling Clenbuterol and Dianabol over Facebook and Formspring that was so overpriced you had to be a fucking idiot to pay it.

The young steroid users that avoid the narcotics, have confidence in themselves, and don't emulate trash will prosper and have a great life. The ones that emulate the so called "aesthetic lifestyle" will forever live at home, drive a Hyundai, have no self worth, and end up overdosing or addicted to narcotics.
 
So being on TRT (for natural causes) at the age of 20, what shittiness do I have to look forward to? The urologist started me on 400mg (the highest dose) testosterone deposits (I've only had one, and my next appt. is tomorrow).
 
-Guido- said:
I don't know who to feel more sorry for - the young man who died, his family, or those that will now try to glorify or emulate him.

The kid was a fucking idiot. Tim Sharky warned him and begged him to fucking slow down with the drugs and steroids but Zyzz didn't listen.

His brother Chestbrah is fucking filth; Promoting (more like whoring) a shitty pre workout powder called Albuterex and still using steroids despite claiming he went natural in honor of his brother. He also claims great genetics; No faggot it's called steroids and plastic surgery. He wouldn't even be given a second look without his chemical and biological augmentation.

And both of them are faggots of the highest degree for selling overpriced underdosed gear. The posts are long gone on the forum they used to be on, but I remember the thread; Zyzz was asking if it was safe to divide one vial of steroids into two and add additional oil or B12 to to the two vials to fill them up in order to reduce PIP. I also remember them selling Clenbuterol and Dianabol over Facebook and Formspring that was so overpriced you had to be a fucking idiot to pay it.

The young steroid users that avoid the narcotics, have confidence in themselves, and don't emulate trash will prosper and have a great life. The ones that emulate the so called "aesthetic lifestyle" will forever live at home, drive a Hyundai, have no self worth, and end up overdosing or addicted to narcotics.
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The way that younger guys venerate and worship these people is the most disgusting of all. For some of them, these 2 degenerates are literally their Gods. A huge proportion of these fanatics are unaware of the fact that both zyzz and chestbrah were supplementing with any hormones at all. It's disheartening. Downright scary, actually, that these people think it's possible to look like that naturally whilst flying high off methamphetamine and ecstasy every weekend. Even more morbid is that fact that both of those physiques are attainable within a decade of healthy, drug free training. There are better bodies everywhere. The fanboys thinking that Zyzz's physique is somehow better Lazar angelov or Greg plitt or someone of that level is just a manifestation of their subconscious, homo-erotic, idealistic fantasies.
Jktm said:
So being on TRT (for natural causes) at the age of 20, what shittiness do I have to look forward to? The urologist started me on 400mg (the highest dose) testosterone deposits (I've only had one, and my next appt. is tomorrow).
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If you stay on your TRT regimen, then there won't really be any shittiness to look forward to. Living a healthy life is totally possible with sub-par testosterone levels. It's not like you need it to survive, but it certainly helps.

The dangers of taking a steroids at pubescent age extend far beyond simply having low baseline testosterone levels. Don't worry, you're much better off than some jackass who ran Dianabol at age 17.
 
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cuntball said:
Can you ever come off or do you on test for life?
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To really answer your question, I ran a long cycle (15 weeks) and came off. I experienced no loss of libido really. Mass stayed on pretty well, I think I lost about 5 pounds a month off. Not really worried, once I get the time and money I'm going to hit a Test prop/NPP cycle like no tomorrow.

Yeah, other than that I had no issues getting it up for girls or anything.


Voxide said:
Even more morbid is that fact that both of those physiques are attainable within a decade of healthy, drug free training.
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Not completely sure how easy that is to prove, unfortunately. At one point Zyzz did show quite a bit of promise in the size department, but he would always shrink back down to his former tren-cruising self.
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I will be the devil's advocate here and say that I respect Zyzz and miss the hell out of him. Unfortunately people think the steroids killed him, but I believe it was really the cocaine that caused his heart failure at such an early age. Unfortunately that dark passenger that lived with him, his drug addiction, and inability to handle the stress of being popular killed him. About a month before he died, he went on a tangent about how much he hated being famous and that all he wanted was to go back to normal and live a normal life with his brother and friends. Too much pressure, and he was not making much money out of it for how popular he was. That and him posting about how he would have an "untimely death" leaves people to speculate he never died.

His first mistake, in my opinion, was his tattoos. They gave him social power in the party scene, but in modeling and acting he had a very limited road. His second mistake was admitting to steroid use. His third and fatal mistake was admitting to party drug use.

Yeah, I'll miss Zyzz. If anyone was the attention whore from Australia that deserved some internet fame, it was him. His brother on the other hand is as dull as a blank wall. Chestbrah's money promoting for his "mutated nation" and "nutrisups" is ruining everything. This is why it's probably good to get an education.
 
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Chestbrah is riding on Zyzz's reputation and the way he promotes shitty supplements while holding a syringe with Tren behind his back makes me sick.

It definitely was the cocaine that killed Zyzz. You can't be using that shit when you got Clenbuterol, T3, Tren, Test, and other steroids in your system.
 
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