What will become of these young steroid users?

[Lopez]

i see a few, not very many, but a significant amount of younger guys (17-22) in the gym juicing or talking about cycles.

most of them are full of shit and don't even gain much because like one of you guys said "they treat it like a magic pill" and believe it can replace meals, but there's 2 kids in the gym whom i've seen progress.

i know priest and lesukov and some other bodybuilders used before the age of 18, so what'll happen to them as they age? bp problems? prostate?

are these kids truly fucked when they get older?

 

[Voxide]

Yes, they are fucked when they get older. Cholesterol, BP, ED, low T, you name it. Lesukov and Priest are no exception. The only difference is that these two men knew they would be going professional long before even taking that route. In a way it can be argued that the damage for them is justified because it actually took them somewhere beyond being some skinny fuck who just wants to be noticed at a teen club.

I don't have to meet any of these kids to tell you this, because I see it everyday. Just wait a few years. They will either stop training and eating altogether, or they will keep juicing for the rest of their lives with nothing to show for it but a mediocre physique that a natural could have easily attained in 5-6 years. You've got to understand that people who start juicing this young are very weak children that are completely incapable of researching or learning anything on their own. Death is patiently lying in wait for some idiot Zyzz followers. If you have to take steroids just to bench 315, I feel sorry for you.

 

[Lopez]

Yes, they are fucked when they get older. Cholesterol, BP, ED, low T, you name it. Lesukov and Priest are no exception. The only difference is that these two men knew they would be going professional long before even taking that route. In a way it can be argued that the damage for them is justified because it actually took them somewhere beyond being some skinny fuck who just wants to be noticed at a teen club.

I don't have to meet any of these kids to tell you this, because I see it everyday. Just wait a few years. They will either stop training and eating altogether, or they will keep juicing for the rest of their lives with nothing to show for it but a mediocre physique that a natural could have easily attained in 5-6 years. You've got to understand that people who start juicing this young are very weak children that are completely incapable of researching or learning anything on their own. Death is patiently lying in wait for some idiot Zyzz followers. If you have to take steroids just to bench 315, I feel sorry for you.

wow, i take it they're going to have to undergo full TRT :/

i already know this guy who works at gnc who's on TRT because he went to long on a d-bol cycle and didn't keep ANYTHING of what he gained. he's also a curlbro hahaha

 

[auhsoJ]

Yes, they are fucked when they get older. Cholesterol, BP, ED, low T, you name it. Lesukov and Priest are no exception. The only difference is that these two men knew they would be going professional long before even taking that route. In a way it can be argued that the damage for them is justified because it actually took them somewhere beyond being some skinny fuck who just wants to be noticed at a teen club.

I don't have to meet any of these kids to tell you this, because I see it everyday. Just wait a few years. They will either stop training and eating altogether, or they will keep juicing for the rest of their lives with nothing to show for it but a mediocre physique that a natural could have easily attained in 5-6 years. You've got to understand that people who start juicing this young are very weak children that are completely incapable of researching or learning anything on their own. Death is patiently lying in wait for some idiot Zyzz followers. If you have to take steroids just to bench 315, I feel sorry for you.

Oh really? BBing isn't about how much you lift, ya dingaling bozo.

I did my first test cycle at the end of being 22. I honestly think I started too soon but whatever. Did two cycles - lost a lot after an accident - did a small cycle to recover - doing a moderate one now. I always feel so guilty. 24 now.

I'm sure some people are fucked for life and some people recover over time. I've known of guys who use with little knowledge of training and diet though. I didn't criticize and was polite. (Because I sometimes have a hard time justifying my use - I think I'm doing everything right but am I really?)

 

[Voxide]

Oh really? BBing isn't about how much you lift, ya dingaling bozo.

Anyone who has their head stuck up so far into BB'ing/PL'ing that they can't recognize a natural achievement in either department needs to pretty much rethink the way they do...everything.

I was pressing 325 for a triple at my natural peak and while that still isn't heavy by real standards, I'd say it was quite a milestone compared to how early other people start.

wow, i take it they're going to have to undergo full TRT :/

i already know this guy who works at gnc who's on TRT because he went to long on a d-bol cycle and didn't keep ANYTHING of what he gained. he's also a curlbro hahaha

Yeah...I'd recommend spending minimal time associating with these types.

 

[-Guido-]

They will wither away into nothing. Some guys at the gym are already bigger than I am. Does it bother me? Not at all because they are going to lose all that muscle while I will keep mine. It's always better to go slow and steady gaining muscle. These kids take ridiculous dosages without even knowing what they are really taking, they eat like shit, and train like shit.

They do it for all the wrong reasons. They want to be popular, they want to get women, they want to be noticed. I take steroids and I bodybuild for myself instead of juicing so I can camwehore on Facebook and get 50,000 friends and followers.

What is going to happen in reality though, is that more and more young people are going to fuck up, do damage, get sick, and get in trouble with the law. It's going to once again draw the attention of the DEA, FBI, FDA, and other governmental organizations and they are going to crack down on steroids once again like they did in the 90's. These young steroid users are going to be the ones on posters telling a tale of woe on how steroids destroyed their body when in reality their stupidity is what caused it.

 

[Lopez]

They will wither away into nothing. Some guys at the gym are already bigger than I am. Does it bother me? Not at all because they are going to lose all that muscle while I will keep mine. It's always better to go slow and steady gaining muscle. These kids take ridiculous dosages without even knowing what they are really taking, they eat like shit, and train like shit.

They do it for all the wrong reasons. They want to be popular, they want to get women, they want to be noticed. I take steroids and I bodybuild for myself instead of juicing so I can camwehore on Facebook and get 50,000 friends and followers.

What is going to happen in reality though, is that more and more young people are going to fuck up, do damage, get sick, and get in trouble with the law. It's going to once again draw the attention of the DEA, FBI, FDA, and other governmental organizations and they are going to crack down on steroids once again like they did in the 90's. These young steroid users are going to be the ones on posters telling a tale of woe on how steroids destroyed their body when in reality their stupidity is what caused it.

yeah, like i said, the guy i know lost EVERYTHING when he got off the d-bol, surprised he didn't get gyno, and is now on TRT.

btw, i find it funny how people are legalizing pot around the states yet performance enhancement is still being shunned ... people have to understand that you'll never break any records naturally unless you have some REALLY INSANE genetics (or mutations, like the belgian blue bull).

but apparently america prefers mind altering drugs to performance ENHANCEMENT... heck most people are even against HGH for anti-aging purposes...

 

[Voxide]

yeah, like i said, the guy i know lost EVERYTHING when he got off the d-bol, surprised he didn't get gyno, and is now on TRT.

btw, i find it funny how people are legalizing pot around the states yet performance enhancement is still being shunned ... people have to understand that you'll never break any records naturally unless you have some REALLY INSANE genetics (or mutations, like the belgian blue bull).

but apparently america prefers mind altering drugs to performance ENHANCEMENT... heck most people are even against HGH for anti-aging purposes...

Legalizing and de-criminalizing pot is just a ruse. I sincerely hope that California legalizes all drugs, public sex, bestiality, and abortions so that all the degenerates of the US will emigrate over there and leave the rest of us alone.

Performance enhancement in my opinion should be shunned. 95% of people don't know what the fuck they are doing. The other 5% are serious users who actually need those drugs in order to reach their competitive goals. Those who use correctly know that it's well worth the risk and that's it. Last thing we need is more ignorant college kids trying to take a shortcut and then having it backfire with permanent repercussions. Legalities do a decent job of keeping idiots away. It would be much worse if AAS were sold openly in stores. Steroids are just too easy to misuse and that's why they were made illegal without a prescription.

 

[-Guido-]

yeah, like i said, the guy i know lost EVERYTHING when he got off the d-bol, surprised he didn't get gyno, and is now on TRT.

btw, i find it funny how people are legalizing pot around the states yet performance enhancement is still being shunned ... people have to understand that you'll never break any records naturally unless you have some REALLY INSANE genetics (or mutations, like the belgian blue bull).

but apparently america prefers mind altering drugs to performance ENHANCEMENT... heck most people are even against HGH for anti-aging purposes...

I don't wish TRT on nobody but he did it to himself. It's a shame really. Pot is being legalized yet steroids are illegal and carries the same sentence possession of cocaine does.

I still think that steroid use should be regulated in the sense that one would have to take a course of sorts to become educated with proper use to the extent a select handful us here on this forum are educated.

 

[-Guido-]

heck most people are even against HGH for anti-aging purposes...

I am slowly convincing my mother to consider HGH for cosmetic and health purposes.

I already have my father talking to his doctor about TRT and once he gets on that I plan on hooking him up with Deca to for his joint problems.

They all used to be anti-steroid and believed the propaganda and overblown side effects but I showed them different. Nobody raises an eyebrow to my usage anymore because they see I am healthy, sober, and suffering no negative effects aside from occasional fatigue, sweating, and eating like a horse.

People need to wake up to the fact hormones and peptides can be used safely with no ill effects if one is properly educated.

 

[Lopez]

I am slowly convincing my mother to consider HGH for cosmetic and health purposes.

I already have my father talking to his doctor about TRT and once he gets on that I plan on hooking him up with Deca to for his joint problems.

They all used to be anti-steroid and believed the propaganda and overblown side effects but I showed them different. Nobody raises an eyebrow to my usage anymore because they see I am healthy, sober, and suffering no negative effects aside from occasional fatigue, sweating, and eating like a horse.

People need to wake up to the fact hormones and peptides can be used safely with no ill effects if one is properly educated.

haha, i got my dad on gw501516 for his heart condition and he's already GREATLY improved his lipids. he says he can bike forever now too. he wanted to get on TRT but i told him that he'd be safer off without it (considering he displays NO symptoms of low t— even though he is 52) but i just advised him the other day to get on DHEA.

he also considered ghrp 2 once but since he had lymphoma when he was younger i told him not to risk it...

 

[Lopez]

Legalizing and de-criminalizing pot is just a ruse. I sincerely hope that California legalizes all drugs, public sex, bestiality, and abortions so that all the degenerates of the US will emigrate over there and leave the rest of us alone.

Performance enhancement in my opinion should be shunned. 95% of people don't know what the fuck they are doing. The other 5% are serious users who actually need those drugs in order to reach their competitive goals. Those who use correctly know that it's well worth the risk and that's it. Last thing we need is more ignorant college kids trying to take a shortcut and then having it backfire with permanent repercussions. Legalities do a decent job of keeping idiots away. It would be much worse if AAS were sold openly in stores. Steroids are just too easy to misuse and that's why they were made illegal without a prescription.

you reminded me of that kurt russell movie where he plays as snake plisskin, where california is basically where they house the degenerates and convicts lmao.

 

[bitg]

It's pretty bad, the internet has made steroids available to everyone, half the finished market UG or HG is counterfiet,bunk or underdosed albeit. They still are sticking needles into their scrawny asses, shoulders, or quads. I don't even understand how a 1 inch would even fit into the delt, ass or quad of a 160lb pussy. The only weight they gain is the initial water retention and then they just stay on the shit because of some false hope or something. They have such lame body types that they have to eat 10k+ calories a day to even gain an ounce of muscle or fat. People ask me stupid questions all the time, I try to educate them as best as I can but they 90% of these guys won't even take the time to get online and read for even just a minute. Stupid breeds stupid, ugly breeds ugly I guess.

 

[Renz Envy]

I'm going to be real. Some of them KNOW what they are doing. There's no need to stereotype every young buck with big muscles as "Oh yeah he's going to fuck his life up." Because anabolics are NOT the worst thing you can do to yourself. In order to be big, shredded and have an ideal body they need to be training and dieting right, avoiding drugs and alcohol.

What does that entail? That entails that this kid isn't out getting fucked up every other night. He's sticking to a diet and a routine.

This kid is on steroids. Yeah? So what. He is doing what makes him happy and pursuing a passion unlike the other 3/4s of 20 year olds who are out getting fucked up 3-4 times a week, bragging about how much pussy they banged and dealing with the long term anxiety problems that other drugs and alcohol cause.

Either way, training, dieting, and exercise all for the sake of pursuing a passion is 10x better than smoking weed all day, playing CoD. Or drinking a beer with every meal then going out and getting shitfaced; being a leech mooching off your paid ride through college to get fucked up.

 

[Voxide]

The problem is that a huge majority of young AAS users are doing the exact things you mentioned just like everybody else in their age group.

 

[Fresco]

I juiced for 2 years, I found its not really worth it because you have to keep juicing to keep your strength gains. As soon as you go off you lose most (but not all) gains.

If I was a pro athlete however it would probably be worth it

 

[Renz Envy]

The problem is that a huge majority of young AAS users are doing the exact things you mentioned just like everybody else in their age group.

And they'll make shit gains and look like a bloated mass of trash from alcohol and knowing nothing about gear. I could give some names of some kids that are 18, 19 and already have massive gyno problems. For life. Unless they cough up 3,000 dollars for surgery. Talk about a sexy beach body the girls will love.

But I also know a few 19-24 year old body builders that are competitive and 100% dedicated. It's amazing what some of these kids can do when they put their research in and build muscle the right way. The only chemicals going into their bodies are being used to their advantage. When they get a family, get settled and decide its time to put down the iron, I can bet they'll have stories and pictures to show their kids.

 

[-Guido-]

A majority of 19 year olds get on juice because they want attention, to be popular, or want to get girls. Not because bodybuilding, health, and fitness is a passion. There only passion is getting laid and being noticed at clubs and festivals.

The 19 year olds that built muscle the right way and are doing it right still fucked up, because if they did their research they would of realized they should of trained natural up until there mid twenties. For that mistake, they will be on TRT the rest of their life, sidinfial citrate and other similar drugs to function sexually, and will have trouble having a child due to low sperm count or having no sperm at all; Their child may have to be conceived in a test tube before being transplanted into the uterus.

 

[cuntball]

The 19 year olds that built muscle the right way and are doing it right still fucked up, because if they did their research they would of realized they should of trained natural up until there mid twenties. For that mistake, they will be on TRT the rest of their life, sidinfial citrate and other similar drugs to function sexually, and will have trouble having a child due to low sperm count or having no sperm at all; Their child may have to be conceived in a test tube before being transplanted into the uterus.

Some say younger folks are able to recover from cycles better and do not need TRT. The body heals... I'm not pretending I know what I'm talking about because I don't, but I haven't seen any research on this (I've been searching). All I got was broscience on steroid boards.

Lets take a 20 year old with testosterone X and a 30 year old with testosterone level of X-Y (lower). Both get shut down to some degree after a cycle. Why would the younger guy need TRT? Or why would the older guy not need it? What's the difference?

 

[Voxide]

Some say younger folks are able to recover from cycles better and do not need TRT. The body heals... I'm not pretending I know what I'm talking about because I don't, but I haven't seen any research on this (I've been searching). All I got was broscience on steroid boards.

Lets take a 20 year old with testosterone X and a 30 year old with testosterone level of X-Y (lower). Both get shut down to some degree after a cycle. Why would the younger guy need TRT? Or why would the older guy not need it? What's the difference?

Because the HPTA system is not developed to handle a supra-physiological dose of androgens, much less a normal baseline production of androgens. Zyzz used to use that same argument on the misc a couple years back. Look how well that philosophy worked out for him. You'll rarely see studies on why steroids are bad for developing teens because nobody would be foolish enough to perform such an experiment when the conclusion is relatively obvious. Regardless, that's not the end-all-be-all of tangible information. I could easily find plenty of studies on the internet by a bunch of lobbyists that say cigarettes aren't bad for you, because those studies are meant to say what a certain group of people wants them to say; even when we all know it's not true. When you have sets upon sets of people complaining that they used Dbol at 15 and now can't get an erection at 23, it's still an anecdote, but it's far from broscience. When you start drinking alcohol when you're 13, the degree to which it harms to liver is amplified because that organ isn't even developed yet. Same idea. The rate at which our bodies mature is established from birth, and even before then. If you screw with hormone ratios early on, you are playing with fire.

Even if steroids weren't bad for young people and everything ended up alright, it would be a waste of time. Nobody should have a problem making gains when they're in their late teens and early 20's. Being that young and having cells that healthy and strong is already akin to being on a mild cycle anyway. Food is simply the missing part of the equation. 95% of people you see in your gym can't eat worth a fuck and its exactly why they train hard yet they look the same everytime you see them.

Also, the whole "Test drops after the peak in your 20's" isn't really true. An average 30 year old will have a baseline free T level that is usually equal to or even more than a 20 year old. Only difference is that the former has finished his pubertal development.

And they'll make shit gains and look like a bloated mass of trash from alcohol and knowing nothing about gear. I could give some names of some kids that are 18, 19 and already have massive gyno problems. For life. Unless they cough up 3,000 dollars for surgery. Talk about a sexy beach body the girls will love.

But I also know a few 19-24 year old body builders that are competitive and 100% dedicated. It's amazing what some of these kids can do when they put their research in and build muscle the right way. The only chemicals going into their bodies are being used to their advantage. When they get a family, get settled and decide its time to put down the iron, I can bet they'll have stories and pictures to show their kids.

The story ends up less tragic if they already know what they're doing at an age that young, but the damage remains the same.

Ideally, one should begin training around age 16 and follow that continuous path for a solid decade before getting on.