Opioids What to do with poppy pod & seeds extracts

[samschicken]

Hi all

I'm new to bluelight, so hello. I am also relatively new to all of these alkaloids, though I do have a fair bit of knowledge.

A friend and I picked up around 40 papaver somniferum giganteum pods (they are huge!). I removed the hard bits at each end that seem to clogg up the coffee grinder, put all the seed into a pot and then shredded the pods. We ended up with 300g seeds and 200 pod powder.

Using advice online (a lot of which is contradictory), we took 50g powder and added a load of 40% alcohol (80 proof), we couldn't find any isopropyl alcohol so had to make do, we will get some for the next batch. We also added some vinegar to lower the pH, as we heard from many sources that the alkaloids of interest are more soluble at low pH. I'm not sure of the pKas of the compounds involved, so cant say for sure.

Anyway, this mix is in a mason jar, and we are going to leave it for at least a day.



I have also read about the seeds, and that they have very little amount of alkaloids, however there is some. Given that we had 300g seeds, and no-where to plant them (nor any temptation to eat them ) I thought I would do some attempts at extraction and post my findings.


I carried out the same procedure as above, but I didn't grind the seeds, i just left them in a mason jar with the alcohol and acetic acid. I used half (150g)


So, question time...


How long should I leave the seeds and the pod poweder to ensure that everything has gone into solution?

Are the alkaloids equally soluble in water and ethanol?

Are any of the other compounds that will dissolve in the alcohol or water particularly harmful, especially if smoked?

After filtering out the gunk from both, i'll have some kind of alkaloid containing liquid, which I will heat very gently and fan (I think codeine, for example, is unstable at 50 degrees celsius). Will I end up with a resin, or a solid?

If I get a resin, will it be possible to dissolve it in another solvent or two, and carry out some kind of phase separation tecnique in order to obtain a purer product?

Will doing a CWE at this point be beneficial in any way?

***I have no interest in purifying morphine alone, i'm happy to just get the alkaloids together***

Also, is the resin smokable, if so what is best? Small balls of the resin in a rolled cigarette, or through a pipe, or through a bong or a vaporiser? really not my field so don't know what to do with it.

Also, any ideas on the conc of each alkaloid once you get to this resin state? i.e. is it so low that smoking isn't an option?





All in all the reason i want to smoke is
a) faster hit
b) not need for empty stomach
c) as far as i know it is a longer lasting high, because drug entry in the stomach / small intestine will go straight to the liver via some hepatic blood vessel, so a lot will be metabolised straight away? less of an isue with stuff like codeine that needs some level of metabolic activity to make it into morphine anyway, but for pureish morphine smoking seems the way forward. And I have no interest in making it into H.

Some answers would be great!

 

[Tommyboy]

I think that most people make tea out of the pods, and use the seeds via the alcohol extraction route. I don't know if smoking this can be successfully achieved.

I would just make the tea and drink it. Grind up the pods, heat on stove (but don't boil), add lemon juice to adjust pH (honestly, I don't know if it helps that much if you are still drinking it all, and I don't think that the lemon juice alone can alter the pH enough).

So you are wondering if after you make a tea like that, if you can dissolve the liquid and have solid remains? I believe that people do that and have a putty left behind (better if filtered first), but they usually eat the putty IIRC.

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

I used to use poppy pods all the time. What you are doing is mostly a waste of time. Just grind up the pods in a coffee grinder, take about ~10g (per person, depending on opiate tolerance), put it in a french press (or other tea-making apparatus), pour some warm/hot water until it covers all the pod material, and steep it for ~20 minutes, shaking or stirring the mixture often. Strain, add honey, and drink, but drink it slowly over the course of about a half hour. Perpare for an opiate buzz that lasts for two days.

Remember, you are messing with an extremely potent, powerful and unpredictable plant. Pods can vary in potency greatly, so be extremely careful when testing out new batches. That's why I say drink your tea slowly, because you don't know how powerful it is. One good (but not fail-safe!!!) indicator is the color/darkness of the resulting tea. It should be a dark brown/red, almost like what an amber beer would look like. Generally, the darker the color, the more potent the tea, but again like I said this is NOT a fail-safe method. For all you know you could be nodding before you finish your cup, so take your time. It also takes a while to hit, and hits rather gradually as opposed to a rush, so if you're not soaring in the sky within the hour, don't go downing a whole 'nother cup. WAIT at least 2 hours before considering re-dosing. I have gotten uncomfortably high, for a very extended period of time, because I underestimated the potency of a new batch. I potentially could have OD'ed and died. Be careful!! Morphine is no joke.

I was going to answer your other questions, but it's not really worth your time. Just drink the tea, you'll be happy you did. Trust me, I used to do this ALL the time back when pods were readily available. One stiff glass of pod tea would keep me VERY high for the entire day, and I'd wake up the next day still buzzing. I miss the FUCK out of pods and am quite jelly that you found some!!

Enjoy it, and write up a trip report so I can live vicariously through it.

 

[samschicken]

If all else fails we are going to whack it in caps, and eat those, but will take a while to work out the dosing. A more interesting and natural alternative to a CWE. The liquid has been strained through a shirt (for the seeds one) and is currently in a fan oven at around 40 (lowest heat), so hopefully there will be some powder/resin/goo remaining that can be ingested or smoked... any idea about sublingual? would probably taste orrible!

As we used acetic acid, the pH if lower than that of citric acid I think.

We do the tea, and had some Kratom today, which was very nice. having a fat jar of pod powder is good too for the tea alone, the extraction was more of an experiment.

Thank you, and if anyone else can shed some info on topic that would be great, some of the other threads are a bit vague...

 

[samschicken]

I used to use poppy pods all the time. What you are doing is mostly a waste of time. Just grind up the pods in a coffee grinder, take about ~10g (per person, depending on opiate tolerance), put it in a french press (or other tea-making apparatus), pour some warm/hot water until it covers all the pod material, and steep it for ~20 minutes, shaking or stirring the mixture often. Strain, add honey, and drink, but drink it slowly over the course of about a half hour. Perpare for an opiate buzz that lasts for two days.



Remember, you are messing with an extremely potent, powerful and unpredictable plant. Pods can vary in potency greatly, so be extremely careful when testing out new batches. That's why I say drink your tea slowly, because you don't know how powerful it is. For all you know you could be nodding before you finish your cup. I have gotten uncomfortably high, for a very extended period of time, because I underestimated the potency of a new batch. I potentially could have OD'ed and died. Be careful!! Morphine is no joke.

I was going to answer your other questions, but it's not really worth your time. Just drink the tea, you'll be happy you did. Trust me, I used to do this ALL the time back when pods were readily available. One stiff glass of pod tea would keep me VERY high for the entire day, and I'd wake up the next day still buzzing. I miss the FUCK out of pods and am quite jelly that you found some!!

Enjoy it, and write up a trip report so I can live vicariously through it.

Thanks for the reply! We left the vast majority of the pod powder for tea in a nice mason jar (we have interesting tea collections) but we wanted to experiment with extractions. as for the seeds, we cant grow them where we live so i would have chucked them anyway, so thought might as well try, if it can kill someone then there must me some morphine in there.

I have been told that when taking codine you need to have it in one go, and that you cant step up your dose really. is this the same for opium (i.e. alkaloid mix) ? I'd obviously much rather stagger doses over 45 mins or so to get an idea of potency, im not one of those mad ones who eats loads of things then wonders why they get fucked up!


The pods were awesome, they came next dy from some old bloke (no names) and were about 3 inches long. the box was a bit suspect because it was huge, light, and made that rattling sound from the seeds. how come you cant get hold of them?

Again thanks for the risk prevention, im careful with opiates and other depressants tbh, apart from alcohol, im going through withdrawl at the moment and opiates are said to relieve some of the symtoms provided its tapered. Sometime when I have a little more time and money I'd like to do a massive investigation into all of this, i do a science course and it would be great to have access to Liquid/gas chromatography machines as well as mass spectrometers .. id like to do a report on CWEs and on extractions from poppys to give real advice to everyone and explain the chem behind it, too much bs on the internet, and certain forums, (not bluelight or erowid, i find both to be grand)

 

[samschicken]

Dropped

So

After a nice day of maeng da we tried to extract from the seeds. it was a massive fail but im sure it could work. Where we went wrong...

1. I couldn't be bothered to go get iso(propyl alcohol) so used vodka instead. Expensive and harder to evaporate
2. We put the fluid in the oven, and it fell, so we lost half of it
3. The heated fluid made the house smell of vinegar which wasn't pleasant
4. We tried a hairdryer but that made it splash everywhere
5. In the end we just drank the fluid, it tasted vile and didn't do anything, but we didn't expect it to given the dose. I'll do it properly with 150g seeds and iso at some point, and will be patient with the evap. If it works well I will report it here and might do some kind of guide. I'm unsure as to how important lowering the pH is, can someone fill me in here? I'd rather not have concentrate acetic acid in my resin / goo.

As for the pods, it all went as planned. Was tempted to go tony montana in my trough of powder but that wouldn't do me much good so we had some tea and right now im pretty damn high! put all of the powder into convenient little baggies.

Anyway I dont know if people are actually going to read this, but if you do then thanks, and thank you even more for replying, its great to have feedback from a knowledgeable community.

 

[King Hop Head]

I found boiling pod tea down to putty too time consuming and labour intensive. I just make the tea and put it in the fridge too cool (straining out the solids using muslin cloth) then doing a second strain after adding a little cold water to the solids. Prefer drinking the tea when it is very cold (reduces the unpleasnt taste and smell that could induce gagging). Just bolt down the whole glass to get it over and done with, then have a sweet, piece of chocolate or small drink of cola or juice. Also find drinking quick there is faster and more intense onset, almost as good as an IV or snorting rush!

 

[samschicken]

So, 60g powder later (in tea) and we were fucked. we got stuck on a plateau for ages, then then started nodding, with perceptions of time completely skewed flowing in and out of conciousness...we would talk to one another then id pass out / fall asleep and the conversation would carry on in my dream world. very surreal. all in all a great experience, and the tea is fantastic, it just took a lot to get us properly high.I slept 13 hours .

 

[cashcropkiller]

good technique is to get the isopropryl and soak the shit for a couple of hours or longer. then put in a jar in fron of a portable heater fan aimed out of the window overnight. i did this with 350g of walmart seeds and it gave me a honey-like substance which i could put on a cigarette and just smoke the cigarette normally. unfortunately tho this didnt produce much euphoria , just a head rush and intense nod. tried cooking down to a snortable powder with some success but it felt horrible and tasted disgusting in the nostrils so i scrapped that and instead tried poppin a gelcap which i stuffed full of the goo. that was about 30 mins ago and it hasnt hit me yet. the cigarette method definitely has a strong effect with about a pea sized glob but no euphoria and it makes me tired for about 24 hours which sucks because i literally sleep the entire day and miss classes. good luck

 

[Fire&Water]

I found boiling pod tea down to putty too time consuming and labour intensive. I just make the tea and put it in the fridge too cool (straining out the solids using muslin cloth) then doing a second strain after adding a little cold water to the solids. Prefer drinking the tea when it is very cold (reduces the unpleasnt taste and smell that could induce gagging). Just bolt down the whole glass to get it over and done with, then have a sweet, piece of chocolate or small drink of cola or juice. Also find drinking quick there is faster and more intense onset, almost as good as an IV or snorting rush!

Boiling your tea greatly reduces your overall potency... You want a long highly acidic (lemons) soak, overnight is best - if you can grind into powder
first, all the better.

 

[pisspotnrock]

Just grind up the pods in a coffee grinder, take about ~10g (per person, depending on opiate tolerance), put it in a french press (or other tea-making apparatus), pour some warm/hot water until it covers all the pod material, and steep it for ~20 minutes, shaking or stirring the mixture often.

I'm assuming that's ~10gm dried??

warm/hot water?? I thought most opiates were best extracted with cold water?

 

[Fire&Water]

I'm assuming that's ~10gm dried??

warm/hot water?? I thought most opiates were best extracted with cold water?

The best way pull the dried opium out of the plant matter is a non-toxic high ph liquid (hot) not even close to simmering, 2 large lemons in a quart
of water work wonders... l o n g s o a k ! ! Please be careful first time I used this method the tea was at least 30% stronger

 

[Oxide]

good technique is to get the isopropryl and soak the shit for a couple of hours or longer. then put in a jar in fron of a portable heater fan aimed out of the window overnight. i did this with 350g of walmart seeds and it gave me a honey-like substance which i could put on a cigarette and just smoke the cigarette normally. unfortunately tho this didnt produce much euphoria , just a head rush and intense nod. tried cooking down to a snortable powder with some success but it felt horrible and tasted disgusting in the nostrils so i scrapped that and instead tried poppin a gelcap which i stuffed full of the goo. that was about 30 mins ago and it hasnt hit me yet. the cigarette method definitely has a strong effect with about a pea sized glob but no euphoria and it makes me tired for about 24 hours which sucks because i literally sleep the entire day and miss classes. good luck

Whoa. It's like QWISO hash...but for poppy seeds. I'm interested.

 

[OnCloud9]

I used to make tea just like you did, but switched to this method to get more of a high. Those were the good days when it was readily available...

If you want to make your pods last longer I would suggest trying to make pod slurries ...

note: this method is not for people who get easily nauseated and is much more potent than tea so use caution and start your dosing low!

1. First sift your powder through a fine strainer to get the sticks out to reduce gagging

2. Then measured your desired amount of powder to mix with orange juice or something to mask the taste, and also add lemon juice for maximum morphine extraction.

3. Down the slurry... within a 1/2 hour you should be good... with higher doses I was nodding uncontrollably...take care

 

[Fire&Water]

I used to make tea just like you did, but switched to this method to get more of a high. Those were the good days when it was readily available...

If you want to make your pods last longer I would suggest trying to make pod slurries ...

note: this method is not for people who get easily nauseated and is much more potent than tea so use caution and start your dosing low!

1. First sift your powder through a fine strainer to get the sticks out to reduce gagging

2. Then measured your desired amount of powder to mix with orange juice or something to mask the taste, and also add lemon juice for maximum morphine extraction.

3. Down the slurry... within a 1/2 hour you should be good... with higher doses I was nodding uncontrollably...take care

Dont need no stinkeen' slurry...

 

[OnCloud9]

well... with pods being so scarce wouldn't you want to save your pods?

I know it seems nasty but you can get used to it in time ok...

 

[muvolution]

The best method...

Grind pods finely, place in a mason jar.
Add water so that it covers the powder completely + about 25% of the volume.
Add a small quantity of your acid of choice to pH ~ 6.5
shake vigorously for several minutes
Strain through a t-shirt or other tightly knit fabric.
Strain again through a finer fabric, silk, or a lab filter
place in a glass rice pot which can be heated directly.
Get a candy thermometer so you can measure the temp in the pot and keep it constant.
Gently heat the solution to ~ 160*F (Morphine breaks down at 180*F, so try to stay well below that.)
wait... wait... wait...
when there is very little fluid left, and it is getting viscous, take off the burner and switch to an oven @ 160*F (convection oven is best)
Let dry completely... it should leave a brownish -red solid, which could be hard and crystalline, all the way to a gooey paste.
Scrape it up and roll it into balls... it should be a dark reddish brown to black, depending on the alkaloid content.

This can be smoked as is... I used to smear it on cigarette papers and roll joints which worked very well. .1 grams would fit in a joint nicely, and is enough for a nice buzz (I have a high tolerance)
The other option would be to take this product and basically perform the "Street Heroin purification Technique" that is listed online in several places, including Erowid and Lycaeum.
After this last step, depending on how careful you are, you can end up with something as good as pure white, crystalline powder which will be, for all intents and purposes, Pantopon.

 

[Fire&Water]

The best method...

Grind pods finely, place in a mason jar.
Add water so that it covers the powder completely + about 25% of the volume.
Add a small quantity of your acid of choice to pH ~ 6.5
shake vigorously for several minutes
Strain through a t-shirt or other tightly knit fabric.
Strain again through a finer fabric, silk, or a lab filter
place in a glass rice pot which can be heated directly.
Get a candy thermometer so you can measure the temp in the pot and keep it constant.
Gently heat the solution to ~ 160*F (Morphine breaks down at 180*F, so try to stay well below that.)
wait... wait... wait...
when there is very little fluid left, and it is getting viscous, take off the burner and switch to an oven @ 160*F (convection oven is best)
Let dry completely... it should leave a brownish -red solid, which could be hard and crystalline, all the way to a gooey paste.
Scrape it up and roll it into balls... it should be a dark reddish brown to black, depending on the alkaloid content.

This can be smoked as is... I used to smear it on cigarette papers and roll joints which worked very well. .1 grams would fit in a joint nicely, and is enough for a nice buzz (I have a high tolerance)
The other option would be to take this product and basically perform the "Street Heroin purification Technique" that is listed online in several places, including Erowid and Lycaeum.
After this last step, depending on how careful you are, you can end up with something as good as pure white, crystalline powder which will be, for all intents and purposes, Pantopon.

This is also a tried & true method...

 

[mrtea]

Hi Guys,

I am very new to these forums and extremely new to poppy seed tea. Anyway after reading a small bit bout it on these forums I am interested and have a couple questions.

First of all I am going to ask this hopefully without touching on any rules. I know people say these are becoming very hard to find. The place that sells my Kratom sells something called "Opium Poppy" - does this sound like what everyone calls poppy seeds? Also, the description mentions that the product is sold "in seed packs containing 1 to 2 grams of seeds". Well without telling you who is selling them (against rules) or telling you the price or anything like that, is there any way to know if those seed packs might come with this plant matter that you all speak of? If it doesn't, can I actually get anything out of these seeds, I hear that the dried seeds are pretty much useless?

Sorry to be such a novice on this stuff, I will continue to read these forums I was just hoping for a quick hand on this one. I am not looking for "extreme nod" I just like things to take the edge off. I've never taken anything stronger than hydrocodone recreationally and I don't want to - but I do like to try other things that can give me a nice euphoric buzz and it is getting harder to do with hydrocodone at my current doses.

 

[OnCloud9]

I don't think they would be selling the actual plant because its quite a rare find these days.

The seeds have a much lower alkaloid content than the plant itself therefore mass amounts of seeds would be needed to feel anything really.

QUOTE=mrtea;10016601]Hi Guys,


I am very new to these forums and extremely new to poppy seed tea. Anyway after reading a small bit bout it on these forums I am interested and have a couple questions.

First of all I am going to ask this hopefully without touching on any rules. I know people say these are becoming very hard to find. The place that sells my Kratom sells something called "Opium Poppy" - does this sound like what everyone calls poppy seeds? Also, the description mentions that the product is sold "in seed packs containing 1 to 2 grams of seeds". Well without telling you who is selling them (against rules) or telling you the price or anything like that, is there any way to know if those seed packs might come with this plant matter that you all speak of? If it doesn't, can I actually get anything out of these seeds, I hear that the dried seeds are pretty much useless?

Sorry to be such a novice on this stuff, I will continue to read these forums I was just hoping for a quick hand on this one. I am not looking for "extreme nod" I just like things to take the edge off. I've never taken anything stronger than hydrocodone recreationally and I don't want to - but I do like to try other things that can give me a nice euphoric buzz and it is getting harder to do with hydrocodone at my current doses.[/QUOTE]