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What to do when all you care for is the RUSH?

Jamshyd said:
Small doses of IV K have absolutely no psychedelic effects, and feels like a completely different drug than snorted/IMed Ketamine. It feels just like a mild opiate with a strong numbing feeling. The rush is more powerful (by which I mean noticeable) than Heroin.
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I recommend starting off with no more than 100 mgs iv. An iv dose of ketamine between 100 mgs and 200 mgs is an amazing rush, very similar to cocaine without noradrenergic effects. But I think there is no opiate type effect associated with it, although it will stop opiate withdrawals because of the strong NMDA antagonism associated with it.

It is not psychedelic in the LSD or DMT sense, but it does stop all sensory input and you become just a mind (a singularity of consciousness.) I have not done smaller doses so I am not sure what is feels like when all your visual and auditory perception does not leave. But IMHO ketamine is something anyone who is interested in psychedelic type drugs should try.

MobiusDick
 
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Jamshyd said:
Thanks for sharing MD, but I need to emphasize that 200mg of Ketamine IV is WAY WAY WAY too much!! I promise you that such a dose in a non-tolerant user will result in instant blackout and waking up an hour later, very nauseous, disoriented, and probably cross-eyed.

I've been using Ketamine for several years now, and 110mg IV is plenty for me.

NK: Poppers are alkyl (typically isobutyl, traditionally amyl) nitrites.
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Yes, I think 100 mgs is a good dose to start off with. 200 mgs still does not cause loss of consciousness (except perhaps to outside observers.) You are just a mind for about 30-40 minutes, but I have to admit that I do the additional amount to get the rush. If nausea is problematic, I would suggest taking a Zofran ODT about 10 minutes prior to injection (or Oral Zofran 30 minutes prior to injection.) and you will have no trouble with nausea.

MobiusDick
 
jasoncrest said:
Damn MobiusDick, what you say is crazy and fascinating.
I would really be afraid if I had access to all these drugs, cocaine super-potent analogues, fentanyls, etc.... I know I would go crazy and probably end up dead.



The Holy Quaternary? Damn that's a great name!!
I used to shoot a combination of 4 drugs (Bupe, Loprazolam, Promethazine, Clonidine), and the rush was SO intense; but the only good name I found was a "quatuor"... I would say "I'm gonna prepare a quatuor"...
Now I'll say "holy quaternary", it sounds so much better!!!!!

Now I don't have Clonidine anymore, and only shoot Bupe+Loprazolam+Diphenhydramine, do you think I could call it the Holy Tertiary???



Back to the topic (the Rush being the ultimate purpose and enjoyment of drug use), "polyshots" as you say are definitely the way to achieve the strongest rushes.
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How 'bout the Holy Trinity?

MD
 
narutokun said:
To mobius: I'm glad you're over that fentanyl crazyness, dosing it in the order of grams/day is something that really freaks me out! I got curious, where does all that phenyltropane synthetising come from? Do you have the government's approval for synthetising it for research purposes or do you do it illegaly on your lab? Or are you a Sigma-Aldrich employee? I'm sure messing around with cocaine analogues is pretty much fun I wish I could too! I mean you surely listed some stuff that isn't very common there. Can you tell us more about your 4-methylaminorex? I always wondered what it is like. I bet that for me with no K tolerance that would knock me out lol
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I have a Researcher's License so I usually get some of the drugs from Sigma-Aldrich (mostly CI's) or Mallenckrodt for CII's they have like sufentanil because Sigma is so expensive. For drugs like WIN 36,065-2, I usually have to get some specialty labs to make them up for us (as long as they are not CI.) I am nowhere near a good enough medicinal chemist to synthesize phenyltropanes like the WIN series, although these drugs are not controlled except through the analogue act.

If a drug is CI like 4-methylaminorex and it is not available from Sigma, I will usually get a medicinal chemist in our department to make it. I have made my own fentanyl derivatives before, but now that NPP became a List I Suspicious Substance on April 1, 2007, I have to be careful of how much I order. I am not a good enough chemist to do the Platinum Transfer Catalyst step of the synthesis and make my own phenethyl piperidone derivatives, so this has required me to work more with medicinal chemists. 4MA is not difficult to make if you start with phenylpropanolamine, but now that is difficult to get because it is a List I Suspicious Substance, but there is a loophole, veterinary preparations.

4-methylaminorex is an amazingly euphoric compound, more like amphetamine than cocaine (I am fairly confident there is no serotonergic activity with 4-MA, although if there is, it may be the reason why it is so much more pleasant than methamphetamine.) It is not a jittery feeling at all, but based on my own blood pressure measurements, there is very likely some significant noradrenergic activity.


Working around these types of drugs all day is both blessing and a curse. It really makes it difficult to really stay away from everything for very long, particularly if you think of an idea that you can easily test by taking it yourself but it would take weeks to get an animal experiment up and running. It is hard to do the right thing and not fix up a shot.

MobiusDick
 
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Lol, er i agree with Jamshyd. Ive been using k for years now, and if i even snorted a 200mg line of *good* k, lol, kaboom would i be blown off my socks(well, not that i havent done it and woah let the fun times roll =D), let alone IV it!

Though, reading about Iving it is making it sound so fucking delicious to me right now. But no, i shouldnt go near needles again. I get enough from snorting the stuff =D
 
"...I wanna watch it go down..." in the words of the great Trent Reznor, a lot of people just do live for the rush. Most of the time they are also extreme addicts 'cause no rush you get is as good as the first.

True I am an IV user, but only on occasion and most of the time only with opiates. Just be careful bro, sounds like you have been having problems I wish you the best.
 
Working around these types of drugs all day is both blessing and a curse. It really makes it difficult to really stay away from everything for very long, particularly if you think of an idea that you can easily test by taking it yourself but it would take weeks to get an animal experiment up and running. It is hard to do the right thing and not fix up a shot
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Yep I bet, thanks for the 4methylaminorex info.
 
narutokun said:
^No, ppl barely reads journals, and I wanna know if anyone feels like me too.
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Yeah, pretty much every junkie in the entire world does. Welcome to the good life 8)
 
Ham-milton said:
Try IVing benedryl. It's been shown to be addictive IV'd, surprisingly (hence the reason the Tylenol PM advert says that "hasn't been shown to cause dependence when taken as directed." It's good for a nice rush, but not much else.

But seriously, if you're willing to shoot pills (or can find a liquid version) try the benedryl at least once.
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I'm probably better off not knowing, but... How much benedryl should you shoot for a nice rush?
 
It always took around 15 to 20 seconds for the rush from IV to hit me.

I know when I smoke cigarettes the rush is immediate.
 
thestranger said:
It always took around 15 to 20 seconds for the rush from IV to hit me.

I know when I smoke cigarettes the rush is immediate.
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With a drug like cocaine, the freebase actually gets to the brain quicker than the HCl because the freebase does not inhibit its own absorbtion. The noradrenergic activity of cocaine in the lungs stimulate the Beta-2 receptors to dilate, whereas the HCl injected causes vasoconstriction. So the freebase gets into the brain in around 8 seconds and the iv shot gets into the brain in about 15 seconds. With WIN 36,065-2, you do not have as much noradrenergic activity compared to dopaminergic activity so an iv dose only takes about 8-10 seconds.

MobiusDick
 
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fryingsquirrel said:
I'm probably better off not knowing, but... How much benedryl should you shoot for a nice rush?
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Please don't shoot benadryl.
 
to go to rehab. i'm not cynic

when it comes to just caring of the rush is the most dengerous addiction as i see it, a matter of time before you OD & die.
go get rid of that habit before it's too late.
 
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Boiling in Acid said:
but if you wish, the ultimate rush is hidden in combos.

opiate+antihistamine+benzo

coke+opiate
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Yes I agree 100%.

The 2 combos above are the only things I shoot, and they are the best.
 
nitrous gives you a kick in the head, to me its strong but i've never i.v'd, cant say i really like it anyway it gives me a headache. but hey its worth a try, cant hurt!
 
I have had the same problem in the past. I say problem because it is, believe me. It also sounds as if you are addicted to the whole ritual of cooking/preparing the substance, filling the syringe, getting the vein and seeing the blood, ect. If this is the case (and i'm not saying it is) be very careful it is a bad thing.
 
^yeah i know, i was wondering if that could be the case but i don't think so
 
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