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Opioids What the hell is going on with my opiate w.d? This makes no sense...

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ReggieTheCat

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Well the title says it all... And I can't find a story like this.

Basically, I've spent the last 10 months using everything from H (about 2 pts a day snorted) to sniffing the 32 mg dillys we get here in canada in one go, I also regularly took what we call 'greenies'. It's the fake oxy you here about which actually contains about 1.5mg fent instead. It looks like an oxy but it's green all the way through. I would take 2-3 in a day. When it came to morphine, I could easily take 400 mg crushed.

I also take 5... yes... 5 mg of Xanax a day as prescribed by my doctor due to years of abuse which lead to serious mental problems, mainly severe anxiety and some social anxiety. I'll come off the benzos soon, but my problem is with my opiate withdrawal. I've gone up to 72+ hours cold turkey and have had minimal withdrawl. There's certainly some symtoms... I get the sweats at night, but not enough to soak my sheets. I feel slightly more anxious in the day although the Xanax really helps. I've been getting pretty decent sleep, although I have been waking up super early (around 5:30 - 6) and generally can't fall asleep unless I take my first 2mg of Xanax at that time... still no guarantee though.

I defiantly get RLS on and off, but especially at night and at ungodly hours of the morning. I've CT'ed a few times for up to 100+ hours and will be away for about 2-3 weeks and unable to score for the next. Now, I cant say that 'it was the h cut with something long lasting' because it hasn't always been H i come off of...

What the hell is going on? Why am I not getting the nasty withdrawal every one gets. I mean I feel zapped, sometimes my legs kill me and i've been more anxious and depressed with cravings. But it's nothing hugely major though it might get bad for an hour or two every now and then as well as some general malaise and a minor lack of sleep considering im already an insomniac, but i'm doing tons of work from home and have motivation I'm not taking subs or methadone or anything either. I feel the minor withdrawal symptoms, say the around 1130 am mark, but they never increase that greatly in intensity

Is this my chemistry? Is this me being a small dude with a very fast metabolism? I plan to abstain from opiates for at least a month... but should I just be waiting longer for the w.d pain to kick in or something? Am I the luckiest (almost ex) junkie? Is the Xanax helping THAT much - I dont feel any intoxication from my dose. Just the alleviation of my anxiety. This is just bizarre. Let me know what you think and if you've had similar experiences?

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I'd like to mention, I sometimes take mirtazapine to sleep (less than 15 mg) occasionally, sometimes, but not always, I will take Gabapentin (300-600 mg range) for RLS. I purchased some Etizolam in case things get bad and i need sleep. I take B6 + B12 + Potassium + Multivites + D + Magnesium and just 1-2 Tylenol w/ codeine (the ones we get that have just the 8mg of codeine in Canada) sometimes in the evening to prevent the sweats (but that's not enough to alleviate symptoms and I just take it as needed). And Advil nighttime as needed.... oh yeah, lotsa medical ganj as well. I live in BC, so the best shit.
 
So how long have u been clean now? I don't start to feel terrible til around 32-36hrs, I'll start to feel mild W.D. after about 10-12hrs. 200mg of Heroin per day isn't too bad that equals about a bundle (10 small bags) where I'm from. Where you mostly using Heroin? I did some research a while ago and the state I'm from has on average the purest dope in the U.S. & the average in my state is only around 50% (ranging from 0%-95% lol) pure so that'd equal about 200mg of morphine per day. I live right by a major port, New York Bay, it comes straight from Columbia supposedly so it probably gets cut some more before it gets to Canada. If you've been clean over 32hrs I'd say you're a lucky son of a bitch. I was using around 800mg of dope per day before & I wouldn't start to feel "sick" until 24hrs+.
 
Well I slipped today and took a 200 mg morph ER, which barely gave me a buzz, but I was clean for close to 74 hours prior to that. purplehaze, interesting about the H, thats mostly what I've been doing, if i sniff enough I do nod, but it takes a fair amount. Maybe its quality based. I also didn't realize that was a smallish to moderate dose. But still, if I get high, shouldn't I suffer the expected lows to a greater extent after about 10 months using?
 
Also, i wonder if it has anything to do with me having a very fast metabolism and being pretty skinny (140 lbs at 25 years)
 
xanax helps my wd a lot. also, I never got the horrible, super-shitty WD from opiates until I went to the needle. Insufflated, most opiates lose 20-70% of their potency, so that is another reason you arent feeling super-awful. Being in shape and having a good mindset helps a lot as well.
 
Interesting - any chance it might just take longer for wd to begin for me or something? i mean its uncomfortable, but far from as terrible as many have described.
 
ReggieTheCat said:
Basically, I've spent the last 10 months ....
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So this means you started taking opiates about 10 months ago?
Before that,had you ever tried them,were you addicted to them?

A 10 month habit,especially if its the initiation phase(the first 10 months you ever tried heroin) its not that bad,actually it took me more than a year to develop a full blown need-opiates-or-kill-myself type of habit.Just because you did some H here and there and then shared some pills with some friends or something,doesnt mean that you have to expect the worse.

You need to use DAILY,put the drug in your life for good,tie it to almost every single activity you do throughout the day,to be physically and psychologically addicted,and become that full blown junkie you hear about everywhere.

If thats the case here(and 10 months is all the experience you have with opiates),consider giving them a break soon,as they are about to lose their fun,the more addicted you get..
 
I side with your story a lot actually. With my lack of medical degrees and general assumption of being right all the time, here's my 2 cents: I can reach a pretty decent tolerance of opiates/opioids (all ROA) and still experience few debilitating side effects. I also experience RLS and night sweats, but like you I also take OTC medication and supplements which can aid in the w/d's. Even if your not feeling a high from the benzo's they are definitely helping to some degree. I do think it also has to do with your individual chemical makeup. Some people handle the physical and mental side effects to w/ds differently. The only drug that I experience what I consider "really bad" w/d's on is Fentanyl, usually binged on 2-3 days. Even then, the worst I experience is RLS,Night sweats, and the urge to smoke a lot more fentanyl. Excuse my ramblings, and by no means do I consider this sound or just advice, but just letting you know that you're not alone and not everyone feels the curl-up-and-die w/d's. Im not proficient in H but I do my fair share of Dillies IV'd,fent,oxy,etc. My worst w/d's come from benzos more so than opiates but that could also have to do with the whole 'cold turkey could kill ya' thing.. All in all consider yourself lucky and stay away if you can. I've been using since 13 and Im 27 now, and just because my w/d's aren't terrible doesn't hide the fact that I keep coming back to my chemical crutches. Safe travels.
 
Withdrawal is different for everybody. Even when withdrawal is endured by the same individual, the outcome and effects can be very different.

I went through many heroin withdrawals before I ever experienced severe nausea (I was shooting 95% of the time). Before that, the worst symptoms were by far the akathisia/RLS. It would be nice if there were a more scientific way of determining how severe and of what "type" your withdrawal will be. Alas
 
black kat said:
So this means you started taking opiates about 10 months ago?
Before that,had you ever tried them,were you addicted to them?

A 10 month habit,especially if its the initiation phase(the first 10 months you ever tried heroin) its not that bad,actually it took me more than a year to develop a full blown need-opiates-or-kill-myself type of habit.Just because you did some H here and there and then shared some pills with some friends or something,doesnt mean that you have to expect the worse.

You need to use DAILY,put the drug in your life for good,tie it to almost every single activity you do throughout the day,to be physically and psychologically addicted,and become that full blown junkie you hear about everywhere.

If thats the case here(and 10 months is all the experience you have with opiates),consider giving them a break soon,as they are about to lose their fun,the more addicted you get..
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black kat said:
So this means you started taking opiates about 10 months ago?
Before that,had you ever tried them,were you addicted to them?

A 10 month habit,especially if its the initiation phase(the first 10 months you ever tried heroin) its not that bad,actually it took me more than a year to develop a full blown need-opiates-or-kill-myself type of habit.Just because you did some H here and there and then shared some pills with some friends or something,doesnt mean that you have to expect the worse.

You need to use DAILY,put the drug in your life for good,tie it to almost every single activity you do throughout the day,to be physically and psychologically addicted,and become that full blown junkie you hear about everywhere.

If thats the case here(and 10 months is all the experience you have with opiates),consider giving them a break soon,as they are about to lose their fun,the more addicted you get..
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So the consensus is that I haven't been using heavily, long enough to induce full blown WD? And insufflating may have played a role? To clarify - I had recreationally used opiates prior to this on and off but never ever seriously. For the last 10 months, however, I have been using daily - once again, mostly H (about 2 points snorted each day, throughout the day). I was told by my dealer that my w.d would be pretty bad with my habit and asked if I wanted some subs (which I didn't take as I know that they are their own monster)... I get the feeling she just wanted to sell me something. I thought that 10 months would bring some serious lows, but by the sounds of it, my tolerance isn't as high as I thought and maybe my body chemistry comes into play. I guess if I can keep away the monster, handle the mild w.d then I'm good. You're right, now is the time for a break. No questions asked. I don't want to go through that horrible w.d people talk about. I also will be going away and won't be scoring starting today for 2 weeks, so I'll let you know how that goes. I'll be out of the country. But to be honest, yesterday I was feeling pretty good minus some aches and zapped energy and that was getting 3 days into w.d when it should have been at it's worst, no? The cravings, however, set me back yesterday.

Will giving in yesterday reset my W.D or will it just prolong it? ie. will I get back to the same place I was yesterday by tomorrow, or am I starting at Day 1 again? I used parachuted ir morph (300 mg) and just around a point insufflated. Often, it's not the pain of w.d that gets me to score, it's just the pure boredom.

This has made me feel way better knowing I haven't totally screwed myself over yet and that I have this chance to go through this without the serious w/d. This could be my chance to get through the minor discomfort and insomnia (which I've always had anyways) and kick the habit before it gets me. I also imagine people wouldn't complain on a forum if they've had little to few w.d's. Maybe why that's I never found info.

If anyone has anything else to add I'd love to hear it. You guys rock and thanks for helping me figure this one out. Much respect BL! You're full of answers.
 
It took a few years of on and off dependence for my wds to get really bad. That being said, the psychological symptoms are the real killer. And I didn't really notice them early in my opiate career. Don't get me wrong, the physical side of heroin wd is brutal. But when shit gets real bad psychologically and every cell in your being is crying out for dope 24/7, it gets unbearable. It began for me with boredom like you describe and proceeded to something hellish as I began using opiates to cope with various things.
 
ReggieTheCat said:
Well the title says it all... And I can't find a story like this.

FYI----------
I'd like to mention, I sometimes take mirtazapine to sleep (less than 15 mg) occasionally, sometimes, but not always, I will take Gabapentin (300-600 mg range) for RLS. I purchased some Etizolam in case things get bad and i need sleep. I take B6 + B12 + Potassium + Multivites + D + Magnesium and just 1-2 Tylenol w/ codeine (the ones we get that have just the 8mg of codeine in Canada) sometimes in the evening to prevent the sweats (but that's not enough to alleviate symptoms and I just take it as needed). And Advil nighttime as needed.... oh yeah, lotsa medical ganj as well. I live in BC, so the best shit.
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^ This is why you're not having major withdrawals. Xanax and Gabapentin and Tylenol w/codeine -- especially the Gaba.
 
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