What the future of marijuana legalization could look like under President Trump

I hope that Trump can see the tax $$$ generated by marijuana and leave it alone. However with the people he's surrounding himself with it doesn't look promising.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
I don't think it matters too much at this point. Of course a hostile federal government can cause a lot of problems but I don't think the attitude among the general population in regards to marijuana has ever been more permissive than it is today. When was the last time period with widespread public support for cannabis? Late 1970s? And public support then wasn't anywhere near where it's at today.

The variety of people who consume cannabis here in the states is astounding.
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It does matter for some of us. Being a pain management patient, even though I live in California, weed is still basically illegal for me. That won't change unless federal laws change and I'm worried the best I can hope for now is "status quo" which means me and other pain patients will still be pissing in cups and being tested for weed...
 
That's a good point.

I guess I meant more along the lines of what kind of crackdown could be orchestrated vs. what is currently operating in legalized states
 
Burnt Offerings said:
That's a good point.

I guess I meant more along the lines of what kind of crackdown could be orchestrated vs. what is currently operating in legalized states
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No, I don't think there will be physical crackdowns attempting to stop everyone in these states from using. But the problem is this: the states are willfully violating federal law and under Obama this has been allowed to happen with no consequences. This new administration could use this as leverage; it can be taken up to the supreme court, but we know how that's going to go since by the time it gets there the court will be stacked.

For most people it's not going to change anything, but think of how much fear a lot of people are going to be living under. Federal funding for certain states could be threatened; banks that accept money from dispensaries could be threatened; people growing plants at their home could fear their house could be seized, etc. etc.

It's just one more tool that they have in their back pocket that to this point hasn't been exploited but easily could. I know I sound a bit paranoid but I'm not sure why we should trust the DEA when it looks like they will now have someone that will have their back whatever they do and the law is clearly on their side...
The DEA is probably having a circle jerk right now...
 
neversickanymore said:
I think states rights are going to take precedent when it comes down to it
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why would you think that? It kind of defeats the whole purpose of federal law if a state can just pass a law that conflicts it. There would be no civil rights laws in the south if that were the case. individual states could outlaw abortion, etc. etc.

It's clearly not right, we've just had an administration that has been hands-off until there were changes in policy. But the DEA didn't reclassify (and is probably really glad it didn't now!).
 
When trump was asked about mj he responded that it falls under a state's rights. If individual states want to outlaw abortion have at it i say. We are too big a country to all think or believe the same way.

There are not even close to enough people even in the south that would want to eliminate civil rights so that argument does not hold water.
 
I believe Trump is the anti-Christ, but Obama wasn't exactly a champion for sane drug laws either. He raided more medical mj businesses in his first term than Bush did in all 8 years in office. This, after he said "the War on Drugs has been an utter failure; we need to rethink our marijuana laws" in 2004. At least with Republicans we know what we're getting.

If Trump were running things himself, I wouldn't be as worried. But he's absolutely inexperienced politically, and the vultures in Washington can smell this ripe opportunity a mile away. He's appointing people that have made statements like "good people don't smoke marijuana" (Jeff Sessions) and other radical right wing turds. Mike Pence made kratom illegal in Indiana when he was governor... see where I'm going with this? These aren't just people who kind of dislike drugs, they actively go out of their way to ban them and label people who use them as morally bankrupt. (Sessions also made a remark about not liking the KKK "because they smoke marijuana." Really? That's the ONLY reason?) :\

We have to keep the pressure on them now more than ever--that includes petitions, letters to your representatives and calls to your local news station if need be. Attend townhall meetings, peaceful protests and other active political events. Get involved. We have to protect our gains with legal cannabis at all costs while protesting the banning of other substances like kratom. Our personal freedoms are under attack in a big way. Put political affiliations aside and stay focused on the goal. Both parties have failed us and will continue doing so unless we push back.

/off soapbox
 
Unless trump comes out and says he wants to enforce federal law, I doubt anything will happen. He knows the revenue benefits will outweigh any negatives. His whole campaign was about more jobs and more money, shutting down legal weed would do the opposite. Not to mention the political fallout and loss of support from the libertarians who voted for him.

Sessions was nominated because of his hardline stance on immigration. So even though he would want to go after legal weed, he won't unless he gets the green light from the president.
 
Ryan01 said:
His whole campaign was about more jobs and more money, shutting down legal weed would do the opposite.
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Heh. The campaign I saw was mostly about scary brown people.
One of the primary reasons given for legalization is that arrest and sentencing are disproportionately applied to brown people.
What the hell makes you think a Trump administration wants to make life easier for brown people?
 
I voted left but am hopeful....at least I tell myself that.

That said, I grow more worried as this cabinet takes shape.

Just trump, I'd feel safe for mj because the population favors it but with these assclowns I really can't help but worry
 
Ryan01 said:
His whole campaign was about more jobs and more money, shutting down legal weed would do the opposite. Not to mention the political fallout and loss of support from the libertarians who voted for him.
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Yes because business owners and those in upper management always care about their lesser employees. Also its not a "legal" business so he can stop it if he wants to, you would be a fool to think he has your interests in mind. Also the inverse is legal marijuana destroys jobs in the justice system which is already in place and hires more people then needed so by legalizing weed so less fortunate people can get jobs he would eradicate the jobs people had their whole lives and cant do anything else.

Its a tricky situation but to act like marijuana creates jobs without destroying others is looking at one side of the issue. I dont think the legalization movement will stop but you shouldnt act like trump would want it... if anything he wants the POs and court systems to stay the same as well as the dedication of budget to those areas as they are harder to find replacement work for then people who work behind the counter at a dispensary.
 
Lady Codone said:
If Trump were running things himself, I wouldn't be as worried. But he's absolutely inexperienced politically, and the vultures in Washington can smell this ripe opportunity a mile away. He's appointing people that have made statements like "good people don't smoke marijuana" (Jeff Sessions) and other radical right wing turds. Mike Pence made kratom illegal in Indiana when he was governor... see where I'm going with this? These aren't just people who kind of dislike drugs, they actively go out of their way to ban them and label people who use them as morally bankrupt. (Sessions also made a remark about not liking the KKK "because they smoke marijuana." Really? That's the ONLY reason?) :\


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any documentary i've seen about the KKK showed them preaching that marijuana is for "N's" and they discourage drug use strongly. I guess senators sessions local KKK chapter from his hometown had different beliefs. See how I'm assuming he is from a town with a KKK chapter?....just wild guess although i don't know for a fact.

drugs are just not on most peoples agenda except for MJ. The GOP continues to staunchly oppose even MJ reform....despite 50% of their voters now favoring it. This will never change, the bible is just to ingrained in thier politics. (trump is not a republican so he is not a part of this group) and we all know the 11th commandment that was chipped off of the tablets moses brought down from the mountain was "though shall not take marijuana, even if it helps your with a health problem...though shall def not take it for fun"
 
https://www.leafly.com/news/politic...longer-partisan-issue-2016-election-data-show

that was pretty interesting, I thought

TL;DR version: a lot of right-wing/conservative districts that went for Trump by large margins also voted for marijuana reform in numbers 50% and upwards

Also interesting, from the article:

The most telling vote, in fact, may have been the one that almost everyone outside of Colorado ignored. On Tuesday, anti-cannabis prohibitionists tried to pass two identical measures in Pueblo, Colo.—one in the city of Pueblo, another in the surrounding Pueblo County—that would have banned cannabis farming and retail sales. Measure 300 gave Pueblo voters a chance to effectively re-do the election of 2012. Given their experience with adult use legalization, would they change their vote if they could go back in time to Nov. 2012?

Some voters did. But not in the way that Measure 300 supporters expected.

In 2012, 55 percent of Pueblo County voters (city and county) cast their ballots in favor of legalization. Four years later, 59 percent of those same voters decided to keep legalization. In other words, thousands of Pueblo citizens who voted against legalization in 2012 experienced regulated cannabis firsthand, liked what they saw, and changed their minds. Last Tuesday they voted to keep it.
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I think that the prohibitionists are going to have a very hard time, moving into the future
 
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Yeah, even as much as I hate Trump and whoever it is he's thinking of appointing who said "only bad people smoke marijuanna" (what a fucking idiot), I don't think they'll be able to really seriously damage the legalization movement all that much.

It's already gained so much steam in Colorado, California and Washington, and even Trump seems to be an overall believer in states rights.

Also, amongst younger voters, even the majority that voted for Trump probably don't support weed staying illegal (just going from personal experience of some of these people).

I think assholes like this guy could do some damage to some states that are less accepting or slow the process, but I don't see it likely that they'll be able to make it illegal in Colorado or Cali again, or entirely stop the momentum the movement has gained.
 
Mycophile said:
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., but I don't see it likely that they'll be able to make it illegal in Colorado or Cali again, or entirely stop the momentum the movement has gained.
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It continues to be illegal in both Colorado and California. Please see Colorado Supreme Court's decision in Coates v Dish Network. While a casual arrangement has been made ( the Cole memo), federal law could be enforced at any time. Memos can easily be canceled by other memos.
All they gotta do is start busting folk who are advertising, start seizing assets paid for by investors. Month later, it's all in ruins.
 
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