What the future of marijuana legalization could look like under President Trump

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Americans wake up this morning to find a drug policy landscape radically altered from yesterday. California, Massachusetts and Nevada have legalized recreational marijuana, while voters in a handful of Southern and deeply conservative states embraced medical marijuana with open arms.

Regardless of how a still-contested legalization vote turns out in Maine, more than 1 in 5 Americans now live in states where the recreational use of marijuana is, or soon will be, legal.

“This is the most momentous Election Day in history for the movement to end marijuana prohibition,” Rob Kampia of the Marijuana Policy Project, a group that supported a number of the legalization initiatives, said in a statement. “The end of prohibition is near, and it would be a mistake for the federal government to continue waging war on its own nonviolent citizens. How do you ask a DEA agent to be the last man to enforce a mistake?”

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Voters in California, Massachusetts and Nevada approved recreational marijuana initiatives while an initiative in Maine was leading in the polls Wednesday morning. The 2016 election has proved to be the biggest electoral victory for marijuana reform since 2012. (Daron Taylor/The Washington Post)
But jubilation over marijuana's ballot wins was quickly tempered by the uncertain future marijuana faces under a Trump Justice Department. “The prospect of Donald Trump as our next president concerns me deeply,” Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, said in a statement. “His most likely appointees to senior law enforcement positions — Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie — are no friends of marijuana reform, nor is his vice president.”

Regardless of what happens at the state level, marijuana remains illegal for all uses under federal law. The Obama administration has officially adopted a policy of noninterference with state marijuana laws, as outlined in a 2013 memo by then-Deputy Attorney General James Cole.

In the Cole memo, the Justice Department acknowledged the reality that most drug enforcement is carried out by state and local — not federal — authorities. The department's position has been that as long as state legalization efforts didn't threaten certain federal priorities — like keeping marijuana out of the hands of minors, preventing driving while under the influence of drugs and keeping marijuana grow operations out of federal lands — it would exercise “prosecutorial discretion” and direct its limited law enforcement resources to other drug priorities, such as dealing with the opiate epidemic.

John Hudak, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution who studies marijuana policy, said this memo was instrumental in allowing Colorado and Washington to set up their recreational marijuana markets. “A lot of people forget that [recreational marijuana markets in] Colorado and Washington were pretty much on hold until the governors there received guidance from the Department of Justice,” Hudak said in an interview.

The Drug Policy Alliance's Nadelmann agrees. “I don't think we're going to have quite the same green light coming out of the new administration,” he said in a conference call with reporters.

Reversing the Obama administration's hands-off approach to marijuana would be as simple as withdrawing the Cole memo, Hudak says. And if that were to happen, it's unclear what the effect would be both in states that already have recreational marijuana and in places where state governments are setting up marijuana markets after this year's ballot measures.

“It could have a chilling effect on the willingness of states to move forward with the creation of these systems,” Hudak said. “It could also have a pretty chilling effect on investment in marijuana businesses.”

But some congressional observers are skeptical that there will be any appetite in a new Trump administration for quashing marijuana reform. "Go against millions of supporters, against states' rights, against where the public is?" said Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D.-Ore.) in an interview. "It would be the beginning of tremendous problems for the Trump administration that they don't need."

Blumenauer remains optimistic that Congress will tackle a number of issues that have been vexing marijuana businesses in recent years, including their lack of access to the federal banking system and their inability to take the same tax breaks that other businesses are entitled to.

"The number of men and women in Congress who are now going to represent state legal businesses [will see] a quantum increase" as a result of the legalization of recreational marijuana in California, and the creation of a medical market in Florida, Blumenauer said.

Opponents of legalization, meanwhile, are regrouping and considering how to address the new reality they face in the coming months and years. Smart Approaches to Marijuana, the nation's leading anti-legalization group, announced yesterday an initiative aimed at reform and oversight of the existing marijuana industry.

The group's founder and executive director, Kevin Sabet, said in an email that this in no way represents a shift away from trying to stop legalization from happening. “We still plan to stop legalization,” he said, pointing to the group's successful effort to oppose the marijuana legalization measure in Arizona as a blueprint.

“I am feeling (strangely, maybe) optimistic,” Sabet added. “We won in Arizona. The overarching lesson was that if we could raise enough money early, we can win. Arizona was the only state where we were toe to toe with the 'yes' side, and it's the only state we started early in.”

On marijuana, as on so many issues, Trump is something of a wild card. He has surrounded himself with tough law-and-order advisers, including former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R).

Trump's own statements don't offer much clarity on the topic. He has been vociferous about the negative effects of legalization but also said that recreational and medical marijuana should be treated at the state level.

Beau Kilmer, a drug policy expert at the nonprofit Rand Corp., said it's unlikely that any sort of changes to marijuana law will be a priority for incoming Trump administration officials. “In the grand scheme of top issues the new administration is going to be dealing with, marijuana is not going to be a top priority,” Kilmer said in an interview.

With 65 million people living in states that have given the green light to marijuana legalization, any federal crackdown “could have significant political costs associated with it,” Kilmer said. And the burgeoning marijuana industry is likely to step up its lobbying efforts at the state and local levels.

Hudak agrees that any effort to stop state-level legalization will depend on lawmakers' appetite for dealing with the potential political fallout from the move.

“This is a Congress that is about to repeal the Affordable Care Act,” Hudak said. “I think a Congress and an administration that are willing to do that are not going to worry about the optics of quashing the marijuana industry.”
 
I predict that he will probably take a "states rights" policy towards legalization, while maintaining a personal position against legalization.

Seems like a pretty peripheral issue for the Donald Trump administration, which is gonna have plenty of problems which are going to be much larger than cannabis policy LOL. Then again, he has associated himself with drug war reactionaries like Chris Christie and Paul LePage
 
Here's what Christie said when he was running for pres. He definitely has Trump's ear, we'll see just how much influence he has with him...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/chris-christie-enforce-marijuana-illegal-2016-120769

Chris Christie doubles down on marijuana comments

In a Chris Christie administration, there would be no such thing as legal marijuana use.

“Marijuana is against the law in the states and it should be enforced in all 50 states,” the New Jersey governor said on “Fox and Friends” Wednesday morning. “That’s the law and the Christie administration will support it.”

Christie’s comments came a day after he discussed marijuana enforcement at a town hall in Newport, New Hampshire.

“If you’re getting high in Colorado today, enjoy it,” Christie warned. “As of January 2017, I will enforce the federal laws.”

When you take an oath of office, Christie said, you’re agreeing to enforce the laws. President Barack Obama has ignored the law and looked the other way as states like Colorado and Washington have moved toward legalization, he said.

Asked if he worried about losing voters because the majority of young Republicans believe recreational marijuana should be legal, Christie waved away the question.

If the majority really does want to legalize it, then Congress will, he said.

“We can’t focus on what every poll says, everybody,” Christie said.

This isn’t the first time Christie has vowed to crack down on marijuana; in April, he told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt it was a “gateway drug.”

“We have an enormous addiction problem in this country,” Christie told Hewitt. “And we need to send very clear leadership from the White House on down through federal law enforcement,” he said.

Medical marijuana is legal in New Jersey, but it is tightly restricted.
 
I imagine the situation in California will get better, not worse, as we have legalized. The federal laws have been ignored for too long, and I think no one is really afraid of what may come next. There's too many operations here. I don't think anything's really going to happen negatively to us here in California re: legalized weed in the long run.
 
“I am feeling (strangely, maybe) optimistic,” Sabet added. “We won in Arizona. The overarching lesson was that if we could raise enough money early, we can win. Arizona was the only state where we were toe to toe with the 'yes' side, and it's the only state we started early in.”


You regressive, deceitful, prohibitionist cunts won in Arizona simply because of the insane amount of money spent by Big Pharma on relentless lobbying and shameless 'Just Say No' ads (because they view it as competition if legalized). Obviously this was never genuinely about 'think of the children' concerns as disgracefully-portrayed on television.

It is simply nauseating to mentally digest the polished bullshit consistently eminating from the mouths of special interests and politicians alike. And your despicable hypocrisy clearly knows little-to-no bounds, but sadly for you, such hoodwinking of the public domain slowly but surely yields diminishing returns, and you fucking know it. You know your days are numbered - such a profound cause for celebration in my opinion.

In light of this reality which shall invetibly end your fundamentally contradicted cause, I am confident to a tee that the next direct ballot initiative regarding Marijuana legalization in The Grand Canyon State will finally convince an unprecedented majority of Arizonians to not make the same mistake again.

Don't kid yourselves, the end for Reefer Madness in the aforementioned part of the lower 48 is nigh - good-fucking-riddance, I say (indubitably!).

P.S: I'd love for Trump to see the potential profits awaiting legalized weed entrepreneurship rather than symbolically kiss Harry Anslinger's deceased bottom. Keepin' my fingers crossed that he doesn't interfere with state laws apropos the bureaucratic parasite of a law enforcement agency known as the DEA (Uncle Sam's
crème de la crème Asset Forfeiture-abusing thugs in uniform), good day.
 
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:\ Looks like I'll be a dirt dweller before MS goes legal.

I'm a very late arrival to the use of cannabis (55). Big pharma hasn't worked for me, as pain meds make GI issues worse!

I have limited access to MMJ trials through my dying friend (prostate cancer warrior for 9+ years).

Perhaps there is potential for pain/depression relief for me with MMJ. I'll never be able to fully explore the possibilities.

I am forever grateful he's had the MMJ to escape end stage pain.
 
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:\ Looks like I'll be a dirt dweller before MS goes legal.

I'm a very late arrival to the use of cannabis (55). Big pharma hasn't worked for me, as pain meds make GI issues worse!

I have limited access to MMJ trials through my dying friend (prostate cancer warrior for 9+ years).

Perhaps there is potential for pain/depression relief for me with MMJ. I'll never be able to fully explore the possibilities.

I am forever grateful he's had the MMJ to escape end stage pain.

I'm so very sorry stranger. I can't even begin to imagine how you must be feeling. Wish I could miraculously heal you like in World of Warcraft, eh?

Fuck_my_spacebar_stopped_working_again.
 
:\ Looks like I'll be a dirt dweller before MS goes legal.

I'm a very late arrival to the use of cannabis (55). Big pharma hasn't worked for me, as pain meds make GI issues worse!

I have limited access to MMJ trials through my dying friend (prostate cancer warrior for 9+ years).

Perhaps there is potential for pain/depression relief for me with MMJ. I'll never be able to fully explore the possibilities.

I am forever grateful he's had the MMJ to escape end stage pain.

Can you move to FL? They now have legal medicinal marijuana there and basically that means that anyone that wants to use it recreationally or get a med card easily can if they see the right doctor and pay money for a card. There are also legal cannabanoid oils or extracts that don't have THC at all that some people find relieve their pain.
 
8) ro4eva and alpha...THANK YOU for your posts! I met my cyber brother and his wife almost 3 years ago through a CP forum. They have been such a blessing to my otherwise miserable existence.

I try to be the change I want to see in the world. It helps me to help others. He and his wife are the same, so we bonded like Gorilla Glue. (that's a strain name for MJ, isn't it?)

Through all of his suffering, he insisted I try MMJ once he discovered its benefits. His needs are for nausea relief (projectile vomiting) and escape from imminent death, leaving behind the love of his life. They've been married 25 years (no children). We've been married 36 years (I couldn't have children). My disease so closely mimics cancer (stage 4) yet it is only terminal to my QOL. We both took Lupron chemo and suffer the aftermath of that wicked treatment.

It warmed my heart to log in today and see your posts. Yes, I'm a sap. I replied to your pm, alpha. I welcome any suggestions that y'all have. I can't relocate right now, if ever. I have too many folks here who depend on me.

HUGS~~
 
Can you move to FL? They now have legal medicinal marijuana there and basically that means that anyone that wants to use it recreationally or get a med card easily can if they see the right doctor and pay money for a card. There are also legal cannabanoid oils or extracts that don't have THC at all that some people find relieve their pain.


this is not the case.....its not like Cali....in florida...you can't get it unless you have some horrible disease like cancer or MS. The dropped the requirement down from like ONLY siezure disorders allowed to allowing terminal/life destroying diseases like cancer or MS.

anyone can definitely not get a script in florida.....280 30 mg oxycodones, fentanyl patches all day for a sore back....but medical pot...you better be really fucking sick. afterall..this is florida, its run by the republican party.
 
Trump has nominated Jeff Sessions for AG. Some of you may remember this:



http://reason.com/blog/2016/04/06/senator-says-good-people-dont-smoke-mari

Yesterday Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) provided some insight into why, warning that the message sent by legalizing marijuana (that "it's not very dangerous") threatens to reverse reductions in adolescent drug use that he attributed to the "prevention movement" exemplified by Nancy Reagan's Just Say No campaign:

I can't tell you how concerning it is for me, emotionally and personally, to see the possibility that we will reverse the progress that we've made....

It was the prevention movement that really was so positive, and it led to this decline. The creating of knowledge that this drug is dangerous, it cannot be played with, it is not funny, it's not something to laugh about, and trying to send that message with clarity, that good people don't smoke marijuana.

This is not the first time that Sessions, who served as a U.S. attorney during the Reagan administration, has pined for the days of Just Say No. But crediting Nancy Reagan for a decline in drug use that began before she latched onto her pet cause is scientifically problematic, and so are the messages Sessions wants the youth of America to hear—especially the idea that "good people don't smoke marijuana," which condemns at least two-fifths of the population (and probably more like half, allowing for underreporting by survey respondents).
 
good people don't smoke marijuana.

What a dick. Do good people drink alcohol? Do good people smoke tobacco?

Who the fuck is this asshole to tell us what 'good' people do.
 
One thing I will say about trump, if he doesnt want to go after it, I dont think he will be easily influenced to do otherwise. Say what you will about him but I don't see him being a puppet president.
 
I don't think it matters too much at this point. Of course a hostile federal government can cause a lot of problems but I don't think the attitude among the general population in regards to marijuana has ever been more permissive than it is today. When was the last time period with widespread public support for cannabis? Late 1970s? And public support then wasn't anywhere near where it's at today.

The variety of people who consume cannabis here in the states is astounding.
 
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