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Meth What the fuck is this cut with?

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Asking the same. Hard, whitish appearance has bitter taste, melts clear and cools back to milky.. doesn't taste chemical.. not much of a taste. Opinions?
 
Hmm even from the pic, we can't really say for sure, so we don't is all.

It "looks" good to me, but I'm not an expert. TBH I've never seen it quite so chunky but again, it's something I only have a handful of experiences with, so I don't know what is normal.

I do know that Methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) is often used as a cut because it helps the meth crystallize.

I pulled this from somewhere off the net, and I would agree, good meth is so easy to crush that it shoots all over the place, def spent a few nights picking up tiny shards from the floor because I didn't crush it in a good container.

What Is MSM?

MSM is a Sulphur-based compound that is found in both plants and animals. It is often used legitimately as a supplement that helps alleviate certain medical conditions, like arthritis. It’s often paired with other supplements, like chondroitin or glucosamine. MSM is used to relieve muscle pain, reduce inflammation, and boost immunity. It is used as a cutting additive for meth because it is similar in appearance to meth and it isn’t dangerous.

Other Substances Meth Is Commonly Cut With

While MSM is a common cutting agent, it is not the only substance found in street methamphetamine. Dealers may use a variety of adulterants to increase weight and profits.
Meth is commonly cut with:
  • Caffeine
    • Dimethyl sulfone
    • Synthetic cathinones (bath salts)
    • Fentanyl
    • Lidocaine
    • Sugars or powdered fillers
Some of these additives have no stimulant effect, while others can increase toxicity. In recent years, reports of meth laced with fentanyl have raised serious concerns because fentanyl significantly increases overdose risk.
Because cutting practices vary widely, there is no guaranteed way to determine purity without professional testing.

What Does MSM Look Like?

MSM offers several advantages that make it the most common choice for dealers when cutting crystal meth. First, it is a white, crystalline powder that can be easily combined with the drug without leaving a residue. MSM is highly soluble and is typically added to crystal meth during the last stages of production. MSM is also odorless, so it isn’t as detectable as some of the other cutting agents that are used. As a result, meth that is cut with MSM usually seems to be uncut because once the meth and MSM are combined and the finished product cools, the MSM recrystallizes, looking like pure crystal meth.

How to Tell If Ice Is Cut With MSM

Because MSM looks like meth and doesn’t smell, it can be hard to detect ice that is cut with it. That said, there are some ways that users may be able to determine if there is MSM in their supply of meth.
Ice is not tough and can typically be crushed fairly easily just using your fingers. MSM is stronger and harder to crush this way. So, if someone is crushing the meth to snort it, they should be able to tell if it has been cut with MSM because it will be more difficult to crush.
Users that smoke crystal meth can often tell if there is MSM cut into the drug because the process of heating the compound and then the compound re-solidifying is somewhat strange. When it is heated, as it melts, you will hear it making cracking and sizzling sounds. Then, it will become a runny liquid. When it re-crystalizes, it will take longer if MSM is mixed into the drug. Additionally, when it does re-solidify, the patterns that are created will look different.
If that isn’t enough to alert users that the ice is cut with MSM, inhaling the vapors from the compound should make it easy to determine. While the unheated MSM is odorless, when it is melted to smoke, it has a strong aroma and unpleasant flavor. Some users will taste the ice to see if it has a pungent taste. If it does, then it’s likely cut with MSM.
One last method that is used to figure out if crystal meth is cut with MSM is simply feeling the ice with your fingers. Usually, MSM has a moist or wet texture that will stick to your fingers. As a result, MSM evaporates quicker when it’s burned in a pipe, leaving very little smoke behind. If the crystal meth is cut with MSM, it will have those same properties.

What Does MSM Taste Like?

MSM can taste different to different people. That’s because there is a genetic component that plays a part in taste, especially when it comes to tasting bitterness. Many users of MSM find that the compound is very bitter. However, other users may find that it doesn’t taste like anything at all. For the users who do find it bitter, some find that to be a barrier to using it.

MSM Crackback Pattern

As mentioned earlier, when MSM is combined with crystal meth and heated to smoke, it will leave a different-looking pattern on the inside of the pipe when it cools and res-solidifies. The residue that becomes solid again inside the pipe is known as the “crackback.” The pattern that is created is different depending on how pure the meth is and what it is cut with.
Whatever the additive is though, it will take longer for the ice to return to a solid state than if there were no additives, just pure meth. Pure meth has a sort of fractal crackback pattern that originates from one point and shoots out. With MSM, the crackback pattern tends to be more geometric, like a series of tiny squares or circles that are stacked one on top of another. (See below, l to right, meth crackback, MSM crackback)

Health Risks of Smoking Meth Cut With MSM

Although MSM itself is considered relatively safe when taken orally as a supplement, inhaling or smoking it has not been studied for safety. Heating and inhaling chemical compounds can irritate lung tissue and introduce unknown risks.
Smoking methamphetamine, whether pure or cut with MSM, can cause:
  • Respiratory damage
    • Increased heart rate and blood pressure
    • Anxiety and paranoia
    • Neurological impairment
    • Addiction and dependence
The presence of cutting agents increases unpredictability. Even if MSM is less toxic than other adulterants, it does not make meth use safe.

Pure Meth vs Meth Cut With MSM


FeaturePure MethMeth Cut With MSM
Crackback patternFractal lines radiating outwardMore geometric or stacked patterns
CrushabilityEasier to crushOften harder to break apart
Odor when heatedChemical smellStrong sulfur-like odor
TasteBitter/chemicalOften more bitter or pungent
Purity levelHigher meth concentrationReduced meth concentration
Seen some chunky, hard and whitish. Does dissolve in water when crushed. Doesn't have a chemical smell, but has bitter taste..
 
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Methamphetamine is sold a hydrochloride salt which is very water soluble. The freebase is an oil.

If your gear does not dissolve in water I would not consume it. Send for testing or dispose of it.
Just thinking this might be MSM?
 
Hey there everybody. I hate to rain on the parade. Here at BL we do not field questions relating solely to the identification of substances.

It is easy just by reading through this thread why we do not do this. There is no way for us to ever answer this question with any answer that does not just generate more questions.

It is impossible and leads to endless speculation that, maybe while well-meaning, ultimately only leads to more confusion.

You would need to consult a laboratory for this. I have to close this.
 
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