Hammilton
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This may be a tough question to answer, but I'm hoping someone can help out.
I have been using opiates for a long time. I've been using them for a decade now. Almost daily. Actually this month probably marks a decade after my first kratom experience. I have been on subs for a long time and quit it back in January with the assistance of kratom. I now use kratom about twice a day, sometimes 3x if I'm feeling crappy or I'm sitting around not doing anything. I usually take 4g around noon and another 8-10g at bedtime.
I have also been using subs every one in a while and snorting roxis maybe once a week. I can't afford oxy- I snort about 45mg at a time, so to do that 3x a day would be ridiculous- I dunno how other people do that. I do enjoy it on my day off sometimes though, but I don't really want to continue doing that. Instead I'd like to switch to using kratom extracts on the weekends instead of oxy.
You know how when you do an opiate, when you lay down and close your eyes, if it's quiet, you'll have these fantastic dreams? Those weird disjointed dream fragments and weirdly enjoyable muddled thought processes? With something like oxy or dope you get those wonderful euphoric rushes that move their way up your body, starting at your toes? I've always gotten the dreams, even from subs, after years of daily use. This was at doses well below the dose needed to nod off, where the laying down is no longer optional.
That's what I'm looking for in a kratom extract: I want to have those weird disjointed dreams. I don't want those euphoric rushes (or, rather, I do, but I'm realistic).
So, should I get FST? Gold Reserve? UEI? UEI Gold? Something else like the supposed oxindole-enhanced extracts?
I've tried GR and Full Spectrum Red Extract, and I didn't get that effect from them, but that was when I was really transferring from subs to kratom, and I've noticed the effects have changed, I now notice real opiate like effects for the first hour of effects, where before it felt like some weird stoning drunk high dose gabapentin buzz. Wasn't really fun, but effective at alleviating withdrawal.
The effects I seek are found in every other opiate I've ever tried, with the exception of tramadol, but I only used that to boost a bupe buzz, or when deep in withdrawal.
I'll keep using the plain leaf during the week, but I want something special for weekend bedtime doses.
I need something different for weekday daytime doses too, I need something more stimulating. I hated maeng da before, but I might be able to like it now that I understand kratom better. Maybe a green vein Thai or Malay. I dunno. I just use PC Bali or sometimes Red Vein Thai for my bedtime and daytime doses. The RVT is a bit more stimulating than the PCB but not extremely so.
Anyone ever use Gold Reserve sublingually? I tried this yesterday with the little powder left in a couple gram bags that had residue I couldn't dump out. My mouth was super numb and it kicked in in 5 minutes. I was already on kratom, but I felt that kick in pretty quick. I wonder what it'd feel like to use a quarter gram sublingually.
For those with FST experience, do you drink it or do you use it sublingually? How quick does that kick in? Does it provide the effect I'm looking for? Having been on subs for so long I kind of have a thing for sublingual use? If that bit I did sublingually kicked in in 5 minutes I'd think an alcoholic tincture would kick in in one or two!!
I have been using opiates for a long time. I've been using them for a decade now. Almost daily. Actually this month probably marks a decade after my first kratom experience. I have been on subs for a long time and quit it back in January with the assistance of kratom. I now use kratom about twice a day, sometimes 3x if I'm feeling crappy or I'm sitting around not doing anything. I usually take 4g around noon and another 8-10g at bedtime.
I have also been using subs every one in a while and snorting roxis maybe once a week. I can't afford oxy- I snort about 45mg at a time, so to do that 3x a day would be ridiculous- I dunno how other people do that. I do enjoy it on my day off sometimes though, but I don't really want to continue doing that. Instead I'd like to switch to using kratom extracts on the weekends instead of oxy.
You know how when you do an opiate, when you lay down and close your eyes, if it's quiet, you'll have these fantastic dreams? Those weird disjointed dream fragments and weirdly enjoyable muddled thought processes? With something like oxy or dope you get those wonderful euphoric rushes that move their way up your body, starting at your toes? I've always gotten the dreams, even from subs, after years of daily use. This was at doses well below the dose needed to nod off, where the laying down is no longer optional.
That's what I'm looking for in a kratom extract: I want to have those weird disjointed dreams. I don't want those euphoric rushes (or, rather, I do, but I'm realistic).
So, should I get FST? Gold Reserve? UEI? UEI Gold? Something else like the supposed oxindole-enhanced extracts?
I've tried GR and Full Spectrum Red Extract, and I didn't get that effect from them, but that was when I was really transferring from subs to kratom, and I've noticed the effects have changed, I now notice real opiate like effects for the first hour of effects, where before it felt like some weird stoning drunk high dose gabapentin buzz. Wasn't really fun, but effective at alleviating withdrawal.
The effects I seek are found in every other opiate I've ever tried, with the exception of tramadol, but I only used that to boost a bupe buzz, or when deep in withdrawal.
I'll keep using the plain leaf during the week, but I want something special for weekend bedtime doses.
I need something different for weekday daytime doses too, I need something more stimulating. I hated maeng da before, but I might be able to like it now that I understand kratom better. Maybe a green vein Thai or Malay. I dunno. I just use PC Bali or sometimes Red Vein Thai for my bedtime and daytime doses. The RVT is a bit more stimulating than the PCB but not extremely so.
Anyone ever use Gold Reserve sublingually? I tried this yesterday with the little powder left in a couple gram bags that had residue I couldn't dump out. My mouth was super numb and it kicked in in 5 minutes. I was already on kratom, but I felt that kick in pretty quick. I wonder what it'd feel like to use a quarter gram sublingually.
For those with FST experience, do you drink it or do you use it sublingually? How quick does that kick in? Does it provide the effect I'm looking for? Having been on subs for so long I kind of have a thing for sublingual use? If that bit I did sublingually kicked in in 5 minutes I'd think an alcoholic tincture would kick in in one or two!!
