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G_Chem said:
Ah my bad for some reason I thought you may have paid for one of Vashs samples to be tested.

-GC
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No, the connection there is that I sent two of my samples to Vash to be tested. Then the results were lost. Then the results were mixed up. One of the samples I sent to him was posted in this thread, and it showed that weird additional peak. The two samples I sent to Vash were the same as the two I just sent to Drugs Data. Drugs Data was supposed to get me additional info on them, but I have not heard anything back from them in some time.
 
Low Earth Orbit said:
I'm not so sure.
Catalytic converters for cars are being stolen in what has become an epidemic.
If you need a catalyst that is expensive, and you know that purchases of the material will be watched, what other options do you have?
And, on the other hand, if you steal many catalytic converters, who will you sell them to without raising suspicion?
This would also explain the connections to organized crime the article mentions.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they found a process where a car catalyst can be used as-is (in flow-through mode).
I'm not a chemist, so I don't know if it would be feasible, but I think this is a real possibility.

(I've been lurking in this thread for quite some time, but didn't post before)
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They get stolen bcoz there valuable. Anything valuable left on the street that can be detached with a spanner will be stolen.and no.no in-flow method exists.thats a perfect example of tweaker idea.a dirty car muffler with platinum in it does not make a good platinum catalyst.on industrial scale there are in flow method uses like this but not for these compounds.also the Wacker method uses palladium chloride not the palladium metal
 
Low Earth Orbit said:
I'm not a chemist, so I don't know if it would be feasible, but I think this is a real possibility.

(I've been lurking in this thread for quite some time, but didn't post before)
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The possible part is getting the cat 🐈converters and turning it into a dog🐩woof woof meow.cat converter joke. 🙈 But u could Extract the pure metal and then use that to make palladium chloride for the Wacker.then use the platinum from it to make platinum dioxide catalyst to reduce the product after you've made the ketone. It's possible it just requires a process of cutting it open, cleaning it, extracting it and then synthing what u need out of it.doable if you're motivated enough
 
indigoaura said:
To clarify, I have three meh samples that I have sent for testing. Two were sent to Drugs Data, one was sent to IEC. @draculic acid69, I was told by the supplier/seller that they were made from safrole. Obviously, I recognize that the seller could be lying. IEC is supposed to do a more advanced analysis when I re-send the sample a second time.
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It's just not reliable enough.need to wait for IEC results
 
somnilicious said:
Did it have a distinct smell? Kinda like root beer, anise or possibly black licorice.
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Good question. Have we discussed Meh's smell yet? I know all the pills I used to get (all magic) always smelled strongly. I never got crystalline mdma so not sure about that stuffs smell
 
I’ve found almost consistently that safrole smell is an indication of good product. Pretty much over the past 5yrs I’ve really been trying gauge with my nose as well.

I also had quite a few batches that were clear crystal with very good formation which smelled lightly of safrole when cracked/crushed up.

And to top this off, I have enough experience with safrole to know just how potent smelling the shit can be..

My theory is that safrole is such a potent smelling substance that it is very hard to clean out of the final product, even with high purity product. I’d wager it only takes as little as a .05% amount of safrole in the end product (maybe even less) to produce a light smell when a fresh crystal is broken down.

Modern day practices actually help us in this regard because the forming of “shards” essentially stores the safrole smell until crushed open. Much of the MDMA from before was powder and therefore had a better chance of losing the little smell it may have had if its high purity.

This latest batch though was the only one to smell off, so it’ll be curious to see the lab results.

-GC
 
once the smell of locarice guaranteed quality, recently the worst mdma I had from Canada had exactly the same smell
 
I haven't noticed that pungent, bittersweet scent of what I believe were sassafras remnants for years.

I started noticing a vitamin smell when the pills started getting dodgy and filled with BZP around 2010. Those pills were often waxy and the stamps were always rubbed off. That's when I first started buying RC cathinones online instead of the shit pills available at the time.

The first really good batch I had after the piperazine wave - similar in effect to the classics - smelled of licorice, which was new to me.

The crystal in modern caps (Australia) has a much more subtle smell, like it's been washed (it hasn't). I've noticed a similar smell from bags of 5-mapb and DOC.

Old thread, good post from phase_dancer: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/the-smell-of-mdma.134743/page-2
 
what is the method of synth used here?

Here is the full episode (Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, S2E06 A Cladestine Chemist's Tale), worth a watch for sure if you've never seen it:
 
v5zS56tvk said:
what is the method of synth used here?

Here is the full episode (Hamilton's Pharmacopeia, S2E06 A Cladestine Chemist's Tale), worth a watch for sure if you've never seen it:
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They are using the exact route I said gives magic or very likely to.. Safrole to Isosafrole, performic to MDP2P, then Al/Hg to MDMA. It seems the performic/peracetic route gives the best ketone and is the most OTC. Leuckart gives the dancy 90s MDMA where Al/Hg gives a cleaner feeling less stimulating but overall still magic product.

It seems problems occur when 02 wacker is used for ketone, or a hydrogenation is done to reduce to final amine. The firstisnt really am issue today, the second is..

-GC
 
I vape cannabis maybe once a month with a few glasses of wine and I get way more euphoria listening to music on this combination than I do on MDMA. I abused the shit of MDMA 20 years ago and stopped doing it about 2005. I started dabbling nown again in 2011 with pills, doing them maybe three or four times a year and some of them were great and felt pretty similar to pills from the early 2000s. Probably about 2013 pills became absolute shite, for me anyway. The euphoria and warmth I was experiencing from pills in late 2011/12 just completely vanished. I've continued to take MDMA a few times a year and on a couple of occasions the stuff has been pretty nice (I'm looking for more than nice with MDMA though) but I would say 95% of the stuff has been completely lacking in what you'd expect from mdma.
 
I was discussing "mehDMA" with someone over on reddit and they mentioned once taking what felt like "meh" to them with a sizable group of people (5-10) who nearly all claimed to have a very enjoyable time but to the person didn't display any of the signs of "magic" MDMA. As I was glancing back through this thread I found that this seemed to have happened to others as well.

indigoaura said:
I was at a party this past weekend. I had some of the local product with me. This is the product that is supposedly made in Mexico. It tested good, but on NYE, I found the effects lackluster.

One friend of mine, a middle aged male, took 160 mg to start and described it as "better than the 90s." However, I watched his pupils all night and never saw much dilation at all.
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Has anyone else had this experience, where someone else takes a known "meh" batch and verbally confirms it is great while visual appearing to lack the classic symptoms of "magic" MDMA? I'm especially interested in if this was observed while you were on "mehDMA", while sober, or while on "magic" MDMA.
 
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Negi said:
I was discussing "mehDMA" with someone over on reddit and they mentioned once taking what felt like "meh" to them with a sizable group of people (5-10) who nearly all claimed to have a very enjoyable time but to the person didn't display any of the signs of "magic" MDMA. As I was glancing back through this thread I found that this seemed to have happened to others as well.



Has anyone else had this experience, where someone else takes a confirmed "meh" batch and verbally confirms it is great while visual appearing to lack the classic symptoms of "magic" MDMA? I'm especially interested in if this was observed while you were on "mehDMA", while sober, or while on "magic" MDMA.
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This seems to be fairly common. It’s not that it’s “bad” just that it’s not nearly as good as the good shit.

If your not borderline embarrassing yourself saying shit you shouldn’t say to strangers, if your pupils aren’t near eclipsing your iris, if you only roll for 2-3 hours before you feel like your coming down, then yea something’s different.

I think because the MDMA scene is ever changing compared to many other drug scenes because of the nature of the drug (magic loss, lots of people coming and going) it’s easy to forget what it was like.

I’m in my 30’s, I shouldn’t be out dancing the youngins cuz they’re MDMA doesn’t last more than 2 hours and they’re couch locked eyes rolling in the back of their heads.

I’ll finish with the time I spent a pretty penny to get a well talked about SoCal G6 press (piggy bank) sent to me. Everyone on Reddit says G6 is the bomb blah blah. It was the first time I’ve ever truly felt like I took mehDMA, I only took some as a booster dose to my initial roll (“magic”) and it actually killed the first dose leaving me feeling just neutral.

The two people I took some of the G6 with also said the same, it tested just fine on all 6 reagents and came from a very reliable source.

So yea my trust in what kids say about certain MDMA products has faltered a bit, I trust my people, my senses, and my reagents.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
If your not borderline embarrassing yourself saying shit you shouldn’t say to strangers, if your pupils aren’t near eclipsing your iris, if you only roll for 2-3 hours before you feel like your coming down, then yea something’s different.

I think because the MDMA scene is ever changing compared to many other drug scenes because of the nature of the drug (magic loss, lots of people coming and going) it’s easy to forget what it was like.

I’m in my 30’s, I shouldn’t be out dancing the youngins cuz they’re MDMA doesn’t last more than 2 hours and they’re couch locked eyes rolling in the back of their heads.
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Are these observations of friends where you have a good idea of how frequently they are using, or more general observations of strangers? The absence of empathogenic effects and a shortened duration are some of the first signs of the loss of magic and the development of a tolerance. New users are especially likely to lack the knowledge of reasonable breaks and to abuse MDMA until they lose enough effects (and get nasty enough comedowns) to stop.
 
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