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@TripSitterNZ

I am more than familiar with the rush of a good pill. However, it concerns me that the rush used to come easily from 80 mg pills and now these 280 mg pills are being sold, and people are dying more often and having more serious side effects. Something is not quite right with this picture.
 
@TripSitterNZ

I am more than familiar with the rush of a good pill. However, it concerns me that the rush used to come easily from 80 mg pills and now these 280 mg pills are being sold, and people are dying more often and having more serious side effects. Something is not quite right with this picture.
if its a good high dose pill i get very little of a comedown. The only people dying from them are idiots in the UK usually who eat like 3-5 at once for some mad reason. Usually old pills were still 150 mg +. These new school pills i never had a problem with comedowns on them if they were only pure mdma but i have had counterfeit presses with various cathoines and meth added in with the mdma which kept me up for 30 hours and let me feeling horrible for weeks.

When bought right from the people who pressed them high their recommendations are take only a half and maybe a quarter for a booster since mdma is extremely cheap these days is usually one of the reasons why they have alot in them they are still making way more money on pressed pills than selling just grams of crystal.

Alot of presses are usually mdma + caffeine or mdma with some speed or just mdma alone if its from holland but i have seen many people start pressing pills here with RC's and other shit so always test kit them.

A high dose mdma experince should be you totally melted away in a very realistic visuals dreamy type state pure pure love blisssed out but it does carry alot of danger with body temperature and overheating i always have a fan on me if i eat that much. I once used those highdoses to keep myself skinny always burnt like 2-3 kg of water weight / fat each time i ate such a strong pill.
 
Other people have recommended I give those Q-Dance pills a try. I don't see them listed in the USA often though. I am also quite suspicious of taking that much MDMA at once. 280 mg seems excessive.
I've seen many reports claiming that half a Q-Dance pill (~120mg of MDMA) almost made them floored, so I wouldn't take a whole one.

I don't know if it's a sign of "MagicMDMA" to get floored while rolling, but I think such a low dose (compared to the doses needed with the worst "Meh" samples) says a good thing about Q-Dance pills.
 
However, it concerns me that the rush used to come easily from 80 mg pills and now these 280 mg pills are being sold, and people are dying more often and having more serious side effects. Something is not quite right with this picture.
I agree.
The high dose pills are more expensive to manufacture, so there must be another reason why they put 280mg in them when 100mg was enough for decades.
 
I agree.
The high dose pills are more expensive to manufacture, so there must be another reason why they put 280mg in them when 100mg was enough for decades.
they are actually cheaper and more profit not more expensive lmao. They make way more profit selling pressed pills than raw grams of mdma. Even decades ago some pressed pills would have up to 200-300 mg mdma. If you truly want to know what presses had in them go message shaun atwood or wildman they ran the biggest ecascty importation ring in america in the 90s.
 
So 'NL' is the stamp of qdance? I've heard of qdance and seen the NL logo but never connected the two. Thanks! But why are they so common in London, but seemingly rare in the US? Don't see any US-based sources for them at all. By the way, "the same Chinese sources" probably refers to the sources of the precursor chemicals (the reddit thread was about pmk_glycidate ), it's not saying the pills are made in China

NL stamps are used by a couple different NL based crews, but it's generally considered a sign of quality especially if the pill is also dual colour. Q-Dance is the big well known one.

But all this brings us back to the OP, who was indeed disappointed by modern pills, as compared to his very pure Shulgin-style MDMA from San Francisco. Theories?

Here is Le Junk's opinion that started this thread. His magicDMA does not seem to have active impurities and is probably not Leuckart.

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LeJunk (April 2016): I'm 51 years old and started doing ecstasy the last year it was legal in 1985. Needless to say the legal ecstasy from the so called "Dallas Group" was nothing short of spectacular. In 1988 I made a connection with someone from the San Francisco area who was in the production field of making MDMA. I have maintained that friendship and connection ever since with only small periods of downtime. The MDMA I get from him is an extremely fine bleach white crystalline powder that is fluffy and lays just like snow. The high from this MDMA takes about 10-15 minutes to take effect and the high is always the same. An extremely smooth come up followed by excessive love and empathy. You will literally melt into the person you're with and sex is out of this world. Touch and feel is heavenly. All you want to do is touch and feel on the person youre with and tell them how beautiful they are and how much you love them etc. There are massive eye wiggles and conversation flows like new born buddas. The come down is just as smooth as the come up. It drops you off just like a feather and sleep comes like a baby. The next day is nothing short of spectacular. You wake up feeling anti-depressed and chatty. You'll want to talk on the phone, visit friends or just drive around and enjoy the day with the top down. It's all I've ever known as an MDMA experience.

Now that brings me to modern day MDMA. There was a period back in the early 2000's when my connection was down and I scored pills from a local guy. They were great and with some very small exceptions, nearly as good as my crystalline powder. But once again I've been forced to score something locally and the stuff is just plain crap. And I mean crap. I've done both the orange Tesla's and the red Supremes. Absolutely awful, but from reading the trip reports on Pillreports, you would have thought they were the best ever. They're actually anything but. I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA.

Both of them took about 30-40 minutes to kick in and when they did, there was a slight feeling of euphoria and empathy that quickly faded and from there on out it was just a fucked up buzz. There were eye wiggles, but I wasn't feeling good when they were happening. I became extremely tired and kind of gacked out. The high from these pills seemed to last forever, maybe just because they sucked so much. I felt like a crackhead on the comedown and the next day felt like a bad MDA hangover. There was no next day afterglow at all. Just a different kind of fucked up than the night before. And that lasted the entire next day. There is a HUGE giveaway that youre doing todays crappy MDMA. Your pupils will not dialate all the way to the very edge like old school ecstasy. With old school ecstasy your pupils consume literally all of the color in your eye with only a microscopic sliver of color left around the outer edge. With modern day ecstasy your pupils will only dialate to slightly beyond normal if at all. Thats a big giveaway youre doing new school MDMA junk. "

The pills OP described (Teslas and Supremes) are not Q-Dance. I'm not sure who pressed them because the Tesla press for example was a very common one that was knocked out by many different crews in different countries. So it could be any quality of MDMA from any lab in any country in there.

As far as I know Q-Dance pills rarely make their way over to the USA. Likely for logistical reasons, as getting pills into the US from NL is obviously more difficult than sending them across the border to the UK or across the EU. Customs is also far stricter in the US than in pretty much any EU country.

As a result most US pills seem to be domestic presses, which is why meth cuts end up as a common issue over there. I cannot comment on the quality of the MDMA used in US presses because I've never had them.

But I can tell you if you manage to get your hands on Q-Dance pills, and you are someone who is generally disappointed in the quality of MDMA, you will find it to be "magic." I have never had a bad experience off a Q-Dance pill as long as I was smart enough to break them in half because they are like 250mg each, sometimes 280mg or occasionally 300mg.

Half a pill makes for a great floaty loved up night with minimal comedown following. Exactly as people describe good MDMA here. I'm telling ya if there are differences in synthesis that indeed cause this issue, the answer is to be an MDMA snob and get only the top quality pills from the best crews.
 
Yes, Q-Dance crew stamps their pills with small "NL" stamp on back of the pill. Pills are bi-colour, so it's hard(er) to replicate their pills.

Has anyone here tried any of the Q-Dance crews presses? I'd like to hear if users consider these pills as "Magic" or "Meh". I assume this group press their pills from same MDMA everytime, users claim that every Q-Dance pill feels the same.


I had a 7 year break from ecstasy and when I started again 2 years ago it was qdance pills. They are strong yes but I get no loved up, no association with music, no empathy, just feel heavily drugged all the time so although they are the "strongest" pills and consistent with it, they are NOTHING like old skool E. Its not serotonin receptors because I took old skool E and got full magic effects again.

I still buy qdance as they are the "best of a bad lot" but are just very strong meh IMO. There is no midweek suicidal depression from qdance like there used to be from magic pills!
 
I had a 7 year break from ecstasy and when I started again 2 years ago it was qdance pills. They are strong yes but I get no loved up, no association with music, no empathy, just feel heavily drugged all the time so although they are the "strongest" pills and consistent with it, they are NOTHING like old skool E. Its not serotonin receptors because I took old skool E and got full magic effects again.

I still buy qdance as they are the "best of a bad lot" but are just very strong meh IMO. There is no midweek suicidal depression from qdance like there used to be from magic pills!

Man really? I get crazy levels of music enjoyment, huge desire to socialise, empathy, euphoria, physical sensations, just pure monging out, everything one could want from a good roll when I use Q-Dance pills. I definitely feel all those lovely serotonin effects. I take a half though because a full one is too much and I feel like you hit diminishing returns past 200mg.
 
@TripSitterNZ You are making a lot of claims without backing evidence. "Even decades ago some pressed pills would have up to 200-300 mg mdma."

When you browse the testing results from the early 00s, that is not what you see. The total weight of the whole pill might be 300 mg, but about half of that is binder. Just go to ecstasydata.org and run a search for 1999-2003.

Example: these were some of the best pills I did...
 
The pills up until about 2007 were nowhere near 150mg they were 70-120mg

Wilson Wilson......did you take E before 2007? Also you say "monged out" .....now you may have a different definition of that phrase than us in the uk but "monged out" is most definitely not a "good" effect from E it is the opposite...it means sitting in a corner drugged out of your head not wanting to talk to anyone not wanting to dance with no euphoria or music appreciation or anything "good"..... just tired and wasted ....a complete mess!
 
I posted this pic in the thread before but he is a pic of the source mdma that goes into the qdance presses.


As far as dosage looking at pill reports same crew was pressing since late 2000s and I would see up to about 120mg. Starting 2013/2014 is when their 200mg+ presses started coming out which most had break lines since they aren't necessarily supposed to be single dose.
 
Just got an email from International Energy Control.

Turns out that they did not provide me with the full data that I should have been provided with for the sample I sent in back in November. I have been emailing them non-stop since then, and I just now found this out.

I should have received the UV report as well as a GCMS report that would have shown the GCMS results for all compounds in the sample.

However, they only gave me the UV report.

Now, they are unable to access their lab and cannot send it, but once they are allowed back into their lab they are going to send me the GCMS data and maybe a .ms file with additional data.

This will be very helpful as this is the sample that I have taken twice now, and @opposable-thumbs and his wife also found it to be "meh."

So, maybe this .ms file and GCMS data will help us to get a better idea of this particular sample.
 
No, 280mg MDMA HCl costs more than 80mg of MDMA HCl. Prove me wrong.
no lol 280 mg of mdma is cheap these days rather than selling a whole gram alone not pressed. MDMA is the cheapest drug to make on this planet its sells at wholesale for way less than weed. Pressing them into pills makes them. x4 the profit.


Anyways on a side note MAPS will answer your question in the future with this post https://maps.org/news/bulletin/arti...istry-of-mdma-from-research-to-patient-access
 
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@wilsonwilson
I have the exact same question. Can you compare qdance to either pure white MDMA powder, like what the OP describes, or to MDMA of >10 years ago (1985-2007)?

@wilsonwilson.
I also considered the possibility that OP's Teslas may have been fake, but he says "I had both of these pills tested on ecstasydata and both came back as pure MDMA." What do you make of that? By the way Teslas and Supremes are C|P. US actually gets lots of Dutch presses, just never those two color qdances so it probably isn't due to US Customs.

@user666
1. Massive doses may be a marketing arms race. All pills are 120 to begin with. Then one lab puts out a 250mg pill for the same price. Buyers feel that the stronger pill is a better value for their money and snap it up. Other labs have to up the dose to keep up. And so on. A pill becomes infamous for the media warnings about how strong it is. Unsophisticated buyers seek it out. And a maker producing 100mg magic pills loses business.

2. Legal angle: if you're caught with two pills, you may be a charged as a dealer. A half a pill seems "safer" in that way. EDIT: I am talking about the buyer's perceived risk. Walking around with half a pill, or trying to sneak half a pill into a club FEELS less risky than 2 pills. The legal reality may or may not be the same. Also, not a major factor here but worth noting than up to 1 pill is basically legal in some LatAm countries

3. If MDMA is manufactured by the tonne, the lab can easily end up with more than they can sell. Lower demand than anticipated. Happens with every other product. They can't store it (space,risk) [EDIT: I was wrong. They can and do store it. Dutch lab bust last fall found 850kg of MDMA hidden in walls] and they can't destroy it the way farmers destroy extra product (shows up in the water and they get caught). So they have to press more into each pill. It becomes an out valve for overproduction.
 
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The pills up until about 2007 were nowhere near 150mg they were 70-120mg

Wilson Wilson......did you take E before 2007? Also you say "monged out" .....now you may have a different definition of that phrase than us in the uk but "monged out" is most definitely not a "good" effect from E it is the opposite...it means sitting in a corner drugged out of your head not wanting to talk to anyone not wanting to dance with no euphoria or music appreciation or anything "good"..... just tired and wasted ....a complete mess!

I'm only in my 20's so unfortunately no I didn't do any MDMA before around 2014 or so.

When I say monged out I don't mean in the benzo sense where you're just out your head drooling in a corner, I mean more like I can feel all these physical sensations and mental euphoria all at once so all I wanna do is rub my hands along my hair and over my skin because it just feels good and I can do that for what feels like hours (probably more like 15 mins lol) and I'm just kind of lost in the moment if that makes sense? It's bloody difficult to describe a good roll.

I always get the urge to stick my headphones on because music sounds absolutely fucking amazing, I wanna hug everyone, I literally walked through stingy nettle and didn't notice because it just felt good at the time. Then I tell my mates I love them and ring up everyone in my phone if no one is around IRL.

All the shit you'd expect from someone who is on some strong E to be honest. Never felt let down by such experiences, they're exactly what I'm looking for when I use Mandy.

Now how exactly that compares to the early 2000's stuff I couldn't tell you but I can say that I've been impressed with the quality of most of my MDMA supply and to me it's certainly felt like "magic."
 
I'm only in my 20's so unfortunately no I didn't do any MDMA before around 2014 or so.

When I say monged out I don't mean in the benzo sense where you're just out your head drooling in a corner, I mean more like I can feel all these physical sensations and mental euphoria all at once so all I wanna do is rub my hands along my hair and over my skin because it just feels good and I can do that for what feels like hours (probably more like 15 mins lol) and I'm just kind of lost in the moment if that makes sense? It's bloody difficult to describe a good roll.

I always get the urge to stick my headphones on because music sounds absolutely fucking amazing, I wanna hug everyone, I literally walked through stingy nettle and didn't notice because it just felt good at the time. Then I tell my mates I love them and ring up everyone in my phone if no one is around IRL.

All the shit you'd expect from someone who is on some strong E to be honest. Never felt let down by such experiences, they're exactly what I'm looking for when I use Mandy.

Now how exactly that compares to the early 2000's stuff I couldn't tell you but I can say that I've been impressed with the quality of most of my MDMA supply and to me it's certainly felt like "magic."
sounds exactly like oldschool mdma. Most mdma is way higher quality than ever before especially if you live in europe and are not getting your pills from a crackhead. Hell i knew people who where smuggling in 30k + pills at a time and they were eating 50 + pills on the weekend during the early 2000''s. Plus australian labs were pumping out hundreds of kgs of mdma at a time. American domestic pills were the ones which were super weak in the 90s been dosed with 80 mg containg about 30% mdma of the entire pill but in cali and Arizona you had proper smugglers bringing in millions of dollars of good dutch pills which were dosed alot higher 125-150 mg. Yet in holland itself you could find any type of weights speaking dutch helped alot since no one in holland ever liked foreigners that much anyway they were a good source of income to sell overpriced underweight product to the imbeciles who came to buy them. Shit man it use to be hilarious watching my fellow dutch men just speak mad shit about the idiot they were ripping off on weight and prices infront of them in dutch and they didn't have a clue.
 
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