What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[Deleted member 521610]

Recently taken samples from major well known vendor and the magic mdma is def in full supply still holland you have to know what to look for.

NZ is getting flooded with so much mdma the price per ounce dropped to crazy low prices and so silly now mdma is probably the same price as america. Over a x3 price drop per gram and alot of it is good product. Chinese seem to be the big players mass smuggling it here and totally destoryed the prices seeing alot more major busts though.

 

[Brnoxoxo]

Firsty, I don't know if you saw this study, it might help you.

Another things is about this topic - it has almost 200 pages. For some unknown reason you still use it and I really hope this is not your main comunication channel. You post charts, data, websites, studies...Why not use Google Drive or other service to share these information much efficiently so you don't have to refer chart from page 119 from 1 year ago.

Last note is about your goals. What do you want to prove with this topic? That MehDMA and MagicDMA exist and are different? Then I don't understand why is this topic still active. Because all your later work here is based on premise that MehDMA exists. Cool. But majority of academic community doesn't believe it. Why should you care? Because they are far better than you in finding the culprit of differences in MDMA batches. They have better equipment, more knowledge, more time etc. That's a fact. So my suggestion is to prove drug researchers that mehDMA & MagicDMA is relevant topic with potentially big impact on underground therapies using MDMA. I have spoken.

 

[RV Mystery Journey]

Recently taken samples from major well known vendor and the magic mdma is def in full supply still holland you have to know what to look for.

NZ is getting flooded with so much mdma the price per ounce dropped to crazy low prices and so silly now mdma is probably the same price as america. Over a x3 price drop per gram and alot of it is good product. Chinese seem to be the big players mass smuggling it here and totally destoryed the prices seeing alot more major busts though.

Chinese playing major league smugglers. Tell me something new. I heard good things about their MXE a few years back but I also heard they mix up drugs in their factories and sometimes send the wrong ones to vendors.

Haha I am sure it is just an instance I read about not how it is regularly.

 

[G_Chem]

So talked to NMR guy as we seem to be exhausted almost every test. Lucky me I remember something.

Me: Anyways my only guess now is maybe the skill of crystallization such a .h20 entering the crystal lattice

People were talking about a while fluffy snow product being magic that hints either borohydrides or column ran product...

Def not the MDMA boulders we use to

Him: Water in lattice shouldn't matter especially if one lets crystallization happen in touches and slowly. Then it's pure on the insides

Me: pretty sure I read that it effect bioavailability strangely enough read articles brlow

His message
As for the polymorphs, I 100% should have been able to considered it as a potential issue. Its been a while since, but i was certainly taught of its existance. those papers were very good. And opens the door for some new tests.

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I brought this up as a theory years ago... While it’s still possible it’s doubtful it effects much. I don’t think it’s the cause of Meh.

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

Another question for chemists: why can't someone repeat the Leuckart reaction today? Is it a lost secret or a matter of unavailable precursors? Seems like there'd be demand for such an "old-school" product

It unfortunately isn’t used simply due to yields, purity and it can sometimes be finicky. The thing is though the impurities May have been what gave the 90’s product that “dance all night, can’t stop moving” effect.

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

Again NOTHING WAS ADDED TO OUR BATCH... I KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT WAS SYNTHED down to mol's down to if they used methylamine. or nitromethane... I know VERY FINITE details about it there is no way of another MDxx AS WELL.. I assure you NOTHING was added, this impurity has drastic effects in mg dosages... I do not want to disclose much BUT I KNOW MORE THEN ANYONE about that batch the chain on it is VERY close

Here is the deal safrole was converted to MDP2P using benz wacker... MDP2P was animated with methylamine with Al/Hg. I know much much more but you get the picture.....

Also WE HAVE MUCH MORE TESTS then EC or DD will ever have. I assure you if WE CANT FIND IT they wont... and it will just show the same thing... this is the issue we seem to be encountering

And we don't need a second lab because the COLUMN proved 97%... what don't you understand? That when he ran the column the product showed it was clean 97% pure... almost no bands of contamination... we don't we a second lab there was other ways for us to show purity....

AGAIN this MEH mdma sample was TESTED every way thru sunday and we had a lot of people look at that report and come back it's MDMA.... TRUST me my meh IS MDMA and I know the way it was made... It was a bit funny on the NMR vs magic... when the column was ran after the product became clean....

Your starting to get a little hostile. This isn’t research here, your allowing your emotions to cloud true science. The other poster is right, your claims must be second, third and fourth checked. If you can’t handle scrutiny than get out.

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

Would it not be a good idea to run the column again and DISCARD the MDMA and identify the concentrated remainder ?

We lost the fractions so we have no idea... trust me THAT WAS THE PLAN... its like you guys dont read this forum... we are hoping he misplaced them... He just doesnt remember where. He knows he has the elute bands... he just isn't sure where he placed them. Hopefully he finds them soon. He wasn't GC/MS certified yet so that's why he stashed them now he can't find them.

Quit losing shit then dude.. This is brutal to read. People donate to you and you get pissy when you lose a very important sample. I highly doubt the capabilities of you, you “mdma cook” or your abilities to discern via analytical techniques.

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

All caught up

OK Vash what the hell is going on man? At the very least your being a prick, you take donations and then lose product and then have the audacity to get pissy when people second guess your “work.”

I’ll say personally your grammar and spelling alone make any information you do lay out before us nearly impossible to decipher.

It’s a shame after being away for a bit to see people possibly getting taken advantage of, and also sullying the name of this entire project.

Either get your ass back in the lab Vash, or get out. I highly doubt your MDMA “cook” doesn’t have all the same reagents, glass, etc to redo the synthesis nearly identical. While I agree there’s still factors which may go uncontrolled, it’s at least worth a try and I’m highly suspect of you and everything you’ve said thus far.

Also I suggest from here out if people want to donate to the cause, donate to DrugsData/Erowid or even BL. DrugsData has taken an active effort to solve this and I trust their data.

-GC

 

[psy997]

Firsty, I don't know if you saw this study, it might help you.

Another things is about this topic - it has almost 200 pages. For some unknown reason you still use it and I really hope this is not your main comunication channel. You post charts, data, websites, studies...Why not use Google Drive or other service to share these information much efficiently so you don't have to refer chart from page 119 from 1 year ago.

Last note is about your goals. What do you want to prove with this topic? That MehDMA and MagicDMA exist and are different? Then I don't understand why is this topic still active. Because all your later work here is based on premise that MehDMA exists. Cool. But majority of academic community doesn't believe it. Why should you care? Because they are far better than you in finding the culprit of differences in MDMA batches. They have better equipment, more knowledge, more time etc. That's a fact. So my suggestion is to prove drug researchers that mehDMA & MagicDMA is relevant topic with potentially big impact on underground therapies using MDMA. I have spoken.

What do you want to prove? That you are more intelligent and clever than we are?

It's frustrating when yet another poster comes in with only condescending input. It sounds like you've been following for a while considering you know about the chart that ThreePointCircle posted, that's great. And, you seem just as arrogant and set in your beliefs as you charge us with being - ironic, and both confusing and annoying for me.

Have you watched Eric Weinsteins latest podcasts on the DISC, or Distributed Information Suppression Complex? You are embodying that principle/archetype perfectly here with your post. Especially the implicit suggestion that we should just leave this to academia.

 

[Brnoxoxo]

What do you want to prove? That you are more intelligent and clever than we are?

It's frustrating when yet another poster comes in with only condescending input. It sounds like you've been following for a while considering you know about the chart that ThreePointCircle posted, that's great. And, you seem just as arrogant and set in your beliefs as you charge us with being - ironic, and both confusing and annoying for me.

Have you watched Eric Weinsteins latest podcasts on the DISC, or Distributed Information Suppression Complex? You are embodying that principle/archetype perfectly here with your post. Especially the implicit suggestion that we should just leave this to academia.

I'm an asshole to you and everybody in this world including me. But when you get used to it, there's something useful behind my toxic rant.

Several times you guys had problem with searching for a specific chart, study, post etc. I think G_chem even started a new thread - part 2 (that was merged back to this original one) in order to gather all the knowledge on the 1st page. I think it would be smart to consider a new online platform to continue your research. You won't have to waste time by looking for a specific chart or information.

Also, I'm not saying that you should leave this to academic researchers. I'm only saying that they don't believe this issue exists because there is no solid evidence and also that their help may be crucial for finding the culprit of mehDMA or even magicDMA. But you still can have a important role in this. Academics are limited by a code of ethics. It's hard for them to get their research idea past the bureaucracy. You don't have these limitations and you can do this kind of research, conducted on human first-time users probably, more easily.

And please send me a link to this podcast about the DISC.

 

[indigoaura]

I have also discussed the need for a better organizational platform. The difficulty with something like Google drive is anonymity. Google is notorious for data collecting, and I don't really want Google involved in research of this nature. Do you know of a more anonymous file organization platform?

We have Drugs Data on board, and they were even actively pursuing one of the published theories regarding similar compounds that may be masked in regular GCMS testing. However, when Vash appeared to have evidence suggesting an active contaminant, Drugs Data paused their pursuit of the isomer theory.

At this point, I think that we need to fall back on published, peer reviewed research. We have published research that suggests an active contaminant is possible, and we have published research that suggests a structurally similar compound is possible. If all of you think it would be helpful, I would be happy to summarize published data and anecdotal commentary in MLA format, with cited sources etc. Then, perhaps that file can be shared via some kind of anonymous file upload.

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

exactly, same experience her from multiple people, very strange indeed..

On magic I could go on for hours and mostly was unable to sleep after 6+ hours, IF I could sleep at all to be honest..



Haha really, how funny is that

Good Mephedrone maybe even beats MDMA for me, maybe though, I enjoy both very much.

But only the MAGIC for both or course.

Do you agree there is a likewise difference in effects with pre and post ban Mephedrone compared with MDMA?

The Mephedrone these days is lacking the happy,rushy and eye wobbling feeling effect also, and many people agree with that..

I was not aware 4-MMC is that easy to make, but how are your experiences with those batches, pre or post ban effects?

Where did all the real mephedrone go?

The original legal high mephedrone is reported to be different to the mephedrone that came after the ban, in both positive and negative effects. Could it have been a different drug altogether?

www.talkingdrugs.org

Good article on mephedrone, pre and post ban. Never had pre-ban, but I've had mixed results with mephedrone that's available right now, some aren't very potent and are more like 3-MMC. But this is not the place to discuss this

A couple weeks ago I shared some MDMA with a friend and it sucked, it was his first time on MDMA and he too was very unimpressed. He's taken 6-APB a couple times before, but that's it for empathogens. I think I have good stuff now, let's hope....

 

[vash445]

All caught up

OK Vash what the hell is going on man? At the very least your being a prick, you take donations and then lose product and then have the audacity to get pissy when people second guess your “work.”

I’ll say personally your grammar and spelling alone make any information you do lay out before us nearly impossible to decipher.

It’s a shame after being away for a bit to see people possibly getting taken advantage of, and also sullying the name of this entire project.

Either get your ass back in the lab Vash, or get out. I highly doubt your MDMA “cook” doesn’t have all the same reagents, glass, etc to redo the synthesis nearly identical. While I agree there’s still factors which may go uncontrolled, it’s at least worth a try and I’m highly suspect of you and everything you’ve said thus far.

Also I suggest from here out if people want to donate to the cause, donate to DrugsData/Erowid or even BL. DrugsData has taken an active effort to solve this and I trust their data.

-GC

A) He is working on making more and has bought a new mantel and new glassware.... There is no way it can be the same...


B) Another guy is doing testing out of his own time and he has done that and HAS PROVIDED 3 NMR at a cost of donate LESS then energy control. If you want results calm the fuck DOWN OR IM KILLING MYSELF NOW or noone will find out anything or you can find someone else with an NMR and pay them. You are acting like I took donations have haven't provided a single NMR. I have provided 3 and they have revealed a lot.... more so then drugs data or energy control

DONATE to whoever you want. I HAVE provided ALOT FOR FREE. received $80 in 2 donations and provided 3 NMR.. GOOD LUCK GETTING 3 NMR for $80.

Also i'm trying to help this project but if you want me to die with any chance of having any info. FINE pay for NMR. GC/MS won't tell you anything. NMR is HArdly painting a picture. But it is painting a picture.

 

[vash445]

@G_Chem Said I should die so goodbye.

You will no longer have access to nmr and I'm gonna kill myself goodbye.

 

[G_Chem]

Ok I just got multiple odd PM’s from Vash to the extent that if I don’t stop he’s going to kill himself. If this little scrutiny is all it takes then I’m sorry but I believe we have a troll on our hands folks.

Please unfortunately disregard Vash any further unless you like sending some random fuck head money.

Vash if you indeed are that close to killing yourself please get help but I rather think your just apussy little kid that read some Rhodium archives and think you know a thing or too. Quit wasting our time, the time of true independent researchers.

I will also make edits earlier than his posts in this thread to warn others.

-GC

 

[Jabberwocky]

@vash445 - I think you should stop and think for a second. G_Chem might have just been trolling (just bare with me).

This is the internet and if someone bugs you, try to ignore them. They should stop.

Don't kill yourself.. if you need help find the Mental Health subforum for support.

 

[vash445]

@vash445 - I think you should stop and think for a second. G_Chem might have just been trolling (just bare with me).

This is the internet and if someone bugs you, try to ignore them. They should stop.

Don't kill yourself.. if you need help find the Mental Health subforum for support.

I'M this close to killing myself. Mental health support forums are useless and i'm on so many on reddit. Even my own insurance doesn't wanna deal with me because i'm so crazy . I have no friends and this project is really my own outlet but whatever seems like people don't want NMR or are happy for what I have provided.

You guy's can deal with this on your own.

Maybe i'll return maybe I wont but whatever. Goodluck and i'm not trolling

 

[Jabberwocky]

That's fine. But honestly if you want a better outlet, with more supportive people, who understand, try mental health.

Anyway, it's up to you, but just take a second and think before making any rash decisions.

I've been suicidal before. A lot of us have. But tomorrow could be the best day of our life and we'd never know if we were gone.

 

[vash445]

That's fine. But honestly if you want a better outlet, with more supportive people, who understand, try mental health.

Anyway, it's up to you, but just take a second and think before making any rash decisions.

I've been suicidal before. A lot of us have. But tomorrow could be the best day of our life and we'd never know if we were gone.

I wake up with 80k in my pocket doing nothing...

I met a cannabis model who dad make 500k. Nothing can Fix. Not even money :/

 

[Jabberwocky]

A cannabis model?

Sounds wicked hot TBH.



Yeah i hear you.