Is there any point in the same people who continually wish to disagree with the premise of this thread by stating over and over, “There is no difference, retire, move on“, continuing to post in it?
I have been taking MDXX substances for 21 years. I’ve had over a thousand pills and capsules of the stuff, in countless of settings, across multiple countries and via every possible route of administration available.
I have been in, taken and otherwise bore witness to, a never ending array of photographs and video footage of people consuming MDXX substances at events from the late 90s right up until today. The appearance of people, including myself, under the influence of what is self evidently a magical MDMA experience, is undeniable. It is not only the massive pupil dilation, but the uncontrollable lower jaw movement and this unique, goofy looking grin that comes without any awareness by the person and is impossible to hide. Then there are the people getting massages on the dancefloor or off it, literally writhing in ecstasy, and not to mention those moments where going to the toilet is an almost religious experience with those in the bathroom joined in solidarity in the almost unachievable experience of actually managing to do so. It was also relevant that it is the majority of people at the old rave parties who exhibited these signs, not just a couple. To this day, I continue to attend music festivals and all night dance events in a semi official capacity and I do not observe the youngsters out there on the dancefloor, who are apparently also on MDMA, even approaching the physical condition that the blissfully busted up punters used to occupy at these events I speak of 10 to 20 years ago.
On the rare occasion you do see a person (or a group of persons and they are always in the same group because they have undoubtedly consumed the same MDMA) in this condition, they stand out like dogs balls; in fact their appearance amongst the rest of the crowd is so comparatively unusual and almost “alien-like” in these more modern times, that you genuinely worry that these most fantastic looking specimens will ultimately be chucked out.
The attached picture is a pretty good illustration. The male in the middle has that unique pasted on grin and the female to his right has drifted into blissful muntedness. Either way both have massive pupils, that is a given, where even only a 100mg dose of the magic MDMA could achieve such a state.
https://images.app.goo.gl/Sq46vixxk6rbanT7A
In addition to this personal experience, I also have a degree in chemistry, a degree in law, and have worked with law enforcement. I know how the substances are manufactured, how they are trafficked and I am familiar with local and worldwide trends over 20 years. I have seen quantitative laboratory analysis results conducted on hundreds and hundreds of seized MDMA pills and powders by fully equipped and highly advanced government forensic laboratories since 2002. I could go on but I think it is fair to assume that I feel well equipped to form a valued judgment on this situation.
So, in my POV, the majority of the MDMA I have sampled in Australia and otherwise bore witness to over the past 8 years, is nothing like what I have previously sampled and previously bore witness to. That is despite the current MDMA pills containing insane doses that would have dropped most of the punters on the floor if consumed as it was 10 to 20 years ago. However, despite this very disappointing period of MDMA consumption, there have been certain samples of MDMA that this busted up old relic has taken over the last few years (including only a month ago), that have been astonishingly good, magic even, at only 120mg doses. My friends with similar MDMA usage histories universally agreed. It was like taking a different drug, the blue coloured one and not the red if you will (great analogy indigo!)
So in summary, my mind is absolutely made up. There is a difference and there must be an objectively, identifiable scientific reason for this difference. No one is going to change my mind on this issue simply by disagreeing with me, or making the same selective comments against this premise every couple of pages or so. I am sure the regular contributors to this thread and who are in this camp would agree.
However, that does not mean for a moment that those who don’t subscribe to this view are not welcome to express them, quite the contrary. But what the people who subscribe to this notion are after in this thread is a critical and sensible evaluation of any potential theories which might explain the differences which we already firmly believe exist.
If a theory is put forward for this difference, for example that modern MDMA is no longer a 50:50 mix of the two possible enantiomers, then positively contribute to this thread by demonstrating scientifically that such an explanation, having regard to modern manufacturing methods, is not possible or that analytical results of appropriate samples have proved it is not the case. Please don’t argue against this potential theory by banging on about set and setting, how old I am, or the size of an 18 year old’s pupils on Reddit. That achieves nothing in the context of a thread that has now reached 288 pages. But if someone can disprove any of the theories put forward by those in support of the premise by actually disproving that specific theory, then that is a fantastic contribution because then this particular explanation can be reliably crossed off the list.
Despite what I have said, I am also not for a moment dissuading new posters to the thread from expressing their opinions on the issue and there have been some most sensible and insightful contributions from Greenlighters in recent days about this. But so much of what has been said by the regulars on both sides lately has not advanced the position and is wasting time, largely because those of us who agree with Le Junk are continually having to defend the underlying premise of the thread like broken records. (Poor indigo has had to defend her position over and over until she is blue in the face, pardon the pun).
Until it is scientifically proven that we are wrong (which will likely require a sample accepted to be magic and a sample accepted to be meh being shown to be chemically identical in the material sense), none of us are going to believe there is something right as opposed to wrong about the majority of MDMA available today.
It doesn’t matter to my belief what anyone says against this unless it is useful to an evaluation of the validity or otherwise of a specific scientific explanation for this situation. I’ll shut up about it when every conceivable potential scientific theory is disproved or discounted, or otherwise if it is proved that certain samples are not chemically different as stated.
But until then I suspect many of us (both for and against the argument) do want to continue to investigate, evaluate and try to find an answer to this issue, an answer which will only be proved one way or the other by scientific means and not endless discussion about everyone’s personal views about the matter (some of which have had to be expressed over and over again and which, until science proves otherwise, are never going to change.)
Contrary to what some people may assume, I suspect those of us in this thread who agree there is something wrong, are not seeking to persuade people of this fact. Rather, we seek to find an answer that we firmly believe can and will be found, and if this comes to pass then it will be all the persuasion that anyone should require.
And perhaps more importantly and to the benefit of everyone, this would likely go a long way to making the majority of MDMA available today “right” again!
