What is wrong with the MDMA available today?

[G_Chem]

I wouldn't worry about or account for possible purity unless someone has done an acetone wash or some other method of determining it. The "84% max purity" meme is based on a misunderstanding and doesn't matter in the real world.

I managed to track down a report that went into more detail about the "spacey feeling".

So the "spacey feeling" certainly seems to be linked to lower dosages and possibly tolerance.

She knows, she’s referring to an actual lab analysis she got done which stated a particular batch Indigo is in possession of was 80% pure. Which honestly I’m doubtful as it seems to exact of a number for my tastes when we know these labs aren’t as on point as we’d hope..


In regards to the spacey feeling, yea that is a low dose thing that doesn’t quite hit the mark and you kind of out of it but not really rolling good either. I’ve experienced it at low doses (5-40mg) when I played around with them a few times.

-GC

 

[indigoaura]

@Negi I am not talking about that 84% nonsense. I sent in this specific batch for lab analysis with International Energy Control and was told that 80% of the sample was MDMA and 20% was not MDMA. They specifically stated that it was 80% out of a possible 100% purity. I wanted to know what the other 20% was, and they said they would re-do the analysis for me, but COVID has been so bad in my area I have not wanted to go to the post office.

Also, not sure that I am buying the dosage argument. I had weak pills back then. I recall some that were anchors. We had red ones and white ones. They were weak, and one pill was not enough, you really needed two. Did not change the fact that two of them worked properly. All you needed to do was take the 2nd pill and then you got where you needed to be.

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #781 - The Great Eight, 781

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DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #553 - Anchor, 553

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I think I ate 5 or 6 of those and it felt like 1-2 good pills. There was no inherent difference in the quality of the roll once you got the dosage right.

That is what is odd to me about the product I have had. Eating more does not really change the flavor of the experience. It doesn't seem to push you over to where you want to be.

Also, take note that the report you posted says the eyes dilated. So, the eyes dilated with only a low dose of MDMA? That is opposite to what we are observing too.

There was a researcher on here awhile back who hypothesized that it is all something that is at play in the liver. I wish he would have gone into his research more. I can see how that would make sense. The liver is working harder and producing more enzymes to break down the MDMA maybe and get rid of it, before it ever reaches the brain. Maybe some people develop this "reaction" to MDMA after enough subsequent uses?

 

[Negi]

I brought up the dosages in response to the discussion that has occurred in the thread before where people have pointed to what they claim are higher dosages used today to indicate the presence of mehDMA (or some other negative change in current MDMA). The linked dosages+reports push back against that.

 

[indigoaura]

I brought up the dosages in response to the discussion that has occurred in the thread before where people have pointed to what they claim are higher dosages used today to indicate the presence of mehDMA (or some other negative change in current MDMA). The linked dosages+reports push back against that.

How do you come to that conclusion? Because to me, you proved the opposite. People are posting very positive reports for pills that contain between 120-170 mg.

Yet today, people are reporting sub-par effects from pills that test with much higher doses.

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #8692 - Tesla, 8692

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By all indications in published research, 120 mg should be enough to experience the effects of MDMA. Certainly, a dose of 150 mg should overcome possible purity issues to achieve the right dose. Your linked posts seem to support that 120-150 would produce the desired effects.

So, why are people taking 120-150 mg and not getting those effects?

 

[JoEhJoEh]

There's a zero percent chance that a legitimate MDMA vendor will be on trust pilot (unless they've started allowing reviews for DNMs).

Look it up. Try&error?

JJ

 

[G_Chem]

People took just as high doses back then, in fact I remember people taking MUCH larger doses at times with not much in the way of repercussions beyond a week of depression (none of this LTC shit.)

Overall good MDMA is better and more energetic/social/fun/loving at all doses than what I perceive meh-DMA to be..

-GC

 

[indigoaura]

In regards to this Trust Pilot thing...either I am dumb, or are not getting it, or something. I have gone to Trust Pilot and searched "MDMA" and "Dark Web" and a variety of actual vendor names that I know. Nothing. Maybe you are getting different results because you are accessing Trust Pilot from a different server/IP. But these vague references are really not helping me to find anything of interest there.

Yeah, @G_Chem I had plenty of friends who were double dropping and triple dropping and being dumbasses in general. You were emo and depressed for a week and then you were fine. Your stomach didn't hurt. You weren't dizzy. You didn't have "brain zaps." Never, even after my absolute worst binges, did I ever have "brain zaps." But, they happen with comparatively low doses of Meh product.

Overall good MDMA is better and more energetic/social/fun/loving at all doses than what I perceive meh-DMA to be..

Agree with that too. Had an amazing night once on 1/2 of a small pill at a Radiohead show. The vibe had all of the MDMA characteristics (love, empathy, tactile enhancement), but it wasn't a "strong" roll.

Variations in strength are different from variations in tone/flavor.

If I am making a cake, 1 tsp of vanilla will not be as strong as 10 tsp of vanilla. However, the flavor will be the same.

Almond extract, although somewhat similar to vanilla, is not the same flavor. Maybe some people wouldn't quite tell the difference with just 1-2 tsp, but once you added 10 tsp of almond extract it would be clear it was not a vanilla cake.

Saying that the cake does not taste like vanilla is different from saying that it tastes lightly of vanilla.

Meh-DMA does not feel the same as a low dose of magic MDMA. The flavor is different. As the dose goes up, all that becomes more clear is that you are definitely not eating a vanilla cake.

 

[psy997]

Look it up. Try&error?

JJ

In regards to this Trust Pilot thing...either I am dumb, or are not getting it, or something. I have gone to Trust Pilot and searched "MDMA" and "Dark Web" and a variety of actual vendor names that I know. Nothing. Maybe you are getting different results because you are accessing Trust Pilot from a different server/IP. But these vague references are really not helping me to find anything of interest there.

You can't search mdma or dark web. You put in urls. It's for websites. I just found out a few weeks ago that people are using it for clearnet vendors. Needless to say, i was very surprised.

 

[Xpacta86]

Hello everyone. I am fallowing this topic over an year now and wanna share my experience. I am an experienced mdma user since 2005 and definitely remember the magic. Got the double color Pirelli pill (verified genuine pill) produced by Qdance crew - very famous on this tread and was very excited to try potentially good stuff (tired of meh recently). Took a half pill (which was mistake as it is fairly low dose for me) and must say there was some euphoria and talkativeness. Also didn't feel so sleepy like usual but kind of energetic. The effect was short lasting however. Its better than all crap meh I tried recently but definitely not on pair with the mdma back in the days.

 

[JoEhJoEh]

You can't search mdma or dark web. You put in urls. It's for websites. I just found out a few weeks ago that people are using it for clearnet vendors. Needless to say, i was very surprised.

No, i meant just use a VPN and look via Trustpilot - just looking it up is not forbidden.

JJ

 

[Negi]

So, why are people taking 120-150 mg and not getting those effects?

Most people are getting the desired effects from those doses. I'm quite active on the /r/MDMA subreddit, where people frequently post roll/trip reports. Outside of Europe (where people are often taking high strength pills), many people are taking under 200mg (and people who exceed it are usually taking a redose, i.e 150mg + 70mg 90 minutes later). Even the people who are taking the ~250mg pills often mention they are taking them in halves. These reports make it pretty clear that they are getting the classic MDMA effects (I posted some samples back in the thread).

Here's some data from the 2019 Global Drugs Survey:

In many countries, most people don't take more than 200mg of MDMA in a total session (I'm only looking at powder since it's impossible to know the dosages of the pills). And if I remember the survey questions correctly, they only offered 100mg increments for the question. So the that 200mg number includes everyone in that 120mg - 150mg range (as it's more than 100mg).

Hello everyone. I am fallowing this topic over an year now and wanna share my experience. I am an experienced mdma user since 2005 and definitely remember the magic. Got the double color Pirelli pill (verified genuine pill) produced by Qdance crew - very famous on this tread and was very excited to try potentially good stuff (tired of meh recently). Took a half pill (which was mistake as it is fairly low dose for me) and must say there was some euphoria and talkativeness. Also didn't feel so sleepy like usual but kind of energetic. The effect was short lasting however. Its better than all crap meh I tried recently but definitely not on pair with the mdma back in the days.

When was your most recent roll before taking the pill (and at what dose)? When did you first encounter mehDMA, and have you had "magic" MDMA since?

 

[draculic acid69]

How do you come to that conclusion? Because to me, you proved the opposite. People are posting very positive reports for pills that contain between 120-170 mg.

Yet today, people are reporting sub-par effects from pills that test with much higher doses.

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #8692 - Tesla, 8692

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result

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By all indications in published research, 120 mg should be enough to experience the effects of MDMA. Certainly, a dose of 150 mg should overcome possible purity issues to achieve the right dose. Your linked posts seem to support that 120-150 would produce the desired effects.

So, why are people taking 120-150 mg and not getting those effects?

100mg is adequate to have a very affective result.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

On the subject of under-dosing: I took 50-60mg or so with a friend two nights ago. We snorted it which we normally don't do and rocketed up quickly to peak. It hit so hard I thought the scales might have been off so we didn't consume the second lines. I noticed we were very quiet during most of the peak although we did talk and a bit and play video games. We had a good time. We re-dosed with 25mg or so each by splitting one of the lines at the two hour mark.

I got VERY hyper-sexual which is something I don't normally do on MDMA (I know, I'm odd). All I could think about was needing some tits with a cute face. I really wanted to have sex. I left my friend's place, drove home, and spent an hour masterbating. I was rolling pretty good and grinding my teeth. I ran out of cigarettes so I drove into town to buy some. I spent at least 30 seconds at the til counting 8 $1 bills over and over again. I finally figured it out, got my smokes, and went home. Took some kratom and managed to fall asleep briefly around 9am (+9 or +10 from dosing). I laid around all day attempting sleep. Woke up at 11pm, had some pot, went back to sleep and slept until 1pm the next day.

I am surprised I got so much from so little. Perhaps the scales are off a hair but there is no way I consumed 100mg. I had done 100mg from the same batch a month or so ago and eyeballing this dose I know it was at least half of the last one. I still have 700mg or so in this batch. I'll probably take it again late in the summer and assuming any is left over I'll hang on to it. I am surprised the thought of having sex was so overwhelming this time. I usually can keep it in check but I just couldn't this time. I don't think I'll be rolling again without female company. I did notice that I was pouring sweat during portions of this roll which again hasn't been much of a problem for me in the past.

MDMA has always been odd for me this way. Other friends say they can't get an erection without Viagra but I've never had that problem. I also noticed I didn't retain as much water with this lower dose. I could pee fine after the peak. I wonder if low doses are this effective for most people but they just dose too high because they're used to it or afraid of wasting the MDMA. In the past I wouldn't ever take less than 120mg but my last two attempts were at 90mg and 50-60mg. The roll isn't as strong but I'm still getting all the good effects with diminished side effects.

I'm worried I'm going to lose the magic though. The last two years I've rolled 6 times which is more than the other 15 years I've used MDMA combined. I really don't want to lose the magic because this substance has already saved two friendships and I want to eventually take it with a long term girlfriend/wife.

 

[HeadphonesandLSD]

Just to add to my last post: I checked in with my friend today to see how he's doing and he reported no come-down at all. Said he was fine the next morning. He described it as good stuff and better than the last batch I gave him two years ago when I dosed him at 120mg with a 50-60mg re-dose at 2-3 hours in. I have not gotten a chance to do it yet but I'll be sharing this batch with some older folks later in the summer. People that haven't had MDMA since the 1980s. They're so old they call the stuff "Mad Dog". I'll let you guys know how they like it.

 

[indigoaura]

@HeadphonesandLSD I have been wondering what a low dose would feel like lately. It is just hard to know how to approach it, because usually I take my 120 mg and feel like I don't get what I need, and want the re-dose. Hard to imagine taking less than 120 would produce a different vibe, but maybe it would. There is definitely a sweet spot in the low dosage range of 2CB where it feels very euphoric and empathetic and no psychedelic, but if you take too much, you miss that sweet spot.

All the sexual stuff you are talking about is what MDMA used to be like for me. Once I was with a partner who was open to exploring it, I lost interest in doing MDMA at parties or shows and just wanted to do it at home with him. Nothing was as interesting, exciting, or appealing as that.

Any chance you could send some of this sample to a lab to make certain it is MDMA and only MDMA?

 

[RyybsNarcs]

Hello everyone. I am fallowing this topic over an year now and wanna share my experience. I am an experienced mdma user since 2005 and definitely remember the magic. Got the double color Pirelli pill (verified genuine pill) produced by Qdance crew - very famous on this tread and was very excited to try potentially good stuff (tired of meh recently). Took a half pill (which was mistake as it is fairly low dose for me) and must say there was some euphoria and talkativeness. Also didn't feel so sleepy like usual but kind of energetic. The effect was short lasting however. Its better than all crap meh I tried recently but definitely not on pair with the mdma back in the days.

Sounds exactly same as my experience with those Pirelli's. Definitely better than most of the MDMA I have tried, but still missing something. Also, duration was short for me too.

 

[G_Chem]

Most people are getting the desired effects from those doses. I'm quite active on the /r/MDMA subreddit, where people frequently post roll/trip reports. Outside of Europe (where people are often taking high strength pills), many people are taking under 200mg (and people who exceed it are usually taking a redose, i.e 150mg + 70mg 90 minutes later). Even the people who are taking the ~250mg pills often mention they are taking them in halves. These reports make it pretty clear that they are getting the classic MDMA effects (I posted some samples back in the thread).

Here's some data from the 2019 Global Drugs Survey:

In many countries, most people don't take more than 200mg of MDMA in a total session (I'm only looking at powder since it's impossible to know the dosages of the pills). And if I remember the survey questions correctly, they only offered 100mg increments for the question. So the that 200mg number includes everyone in that 120mg - 150mg range (as it's more than 100mg).



When was your most recent roll before taking the pill (and at what dose)? When did you first encounter mehDMA, and have you had "magic" MDMA since?

I too frequent that subreddit and I disagree to some extent... While I do on occasion see some people truly getting the real experience I also see a lot more people that don’t.

Very rarely did I see a pupil picture that looked right when they were popular. The lack of openness of many of the posters, and general negativity that often moves around that forum shows this as well.

And are you kidding me on dosing? Yea some of the American posters maybe?.. All the UK sesh lads that swear up and down they get the best product also swear only 250+mg doses work.


I am someone who rarely comes across lackluster product but it was actually that subreddit which has been pushing me to find answers cuz the love ain’t quite what it used to be, if viewing that subreddit as an example of where we are at today..

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

Just to add to my last post: I checked in with my friend today to see how he's doing and he reported no come-down at all. Said he was fine the next morning. He described it as good stuff and better than the last batch I gave him two years ago when I dosed him at 120mg with a 50-60mg re-dose at 2-3 hours in. I have not gotten a chance to do it yet but I'll be sharing this batch with some older folks later in the summer. People that haven't had MDMA since the 1980s. They're so old they call the stuff "Mad Dog". I'll let you guys know how they like it.

Could be MDA too? MDA is a pretty decent experience around those doses that feels more like MDMA than MDA.

-GC

 

[G_Chem]

Safrole MDMA is still about people, like I’ve been saying.. Here’s the proof.

DrugsData.org (was EcstasyData): Test Details : Result #8654 - MDMA, 8654 (m)

DrugsData (EcstasyData) lab testing result

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Sample contains ~17% MDP2P and ~17% dihydrosafrole. This indicates the residual oils weren’t cleaned out during synthesis. Dihydrosafrole is the result of safrole being reduced at the end with the ketone to MDMA.

Dihydrosafrole is also said to be very neurotoxic, not something you want to consume. That said I’ve also wondered what it’s capabilities are to produce psychoactive effects.

This was located in AZ, likely cartel chemists hence the poor purity and the safrole starting material. Cartel chemists usually use older routes.

The reporter also says nothing about expecting anything other than MDMA, so the experience wasn’t terribly off for this one user.

-GC

 

[JoEhJoEh]

I too frequent that subreddit and I disagree to some extent... While I do on occasion see some people truly getting the real experience I also see a lot more people that don’t.

Very rarely did I see a pupil picture that looked right when they were popular. The lack of openness of many of the posters, and general negativity that often moves around that forum shows this as well.

And are you kidding me on dosing? Yea some of the American posters maybe?.. All the UK sesh lads that swear up and down they get the best product also swear only 250+mg doses work
I am someone who rarely comes across lackluster product but it was actually that subreddit which has been pushing me to find answers cuz the love ain’t quite what it used to be, if viewing that subreddit as an example of where we are at today..

-GC

OMG 250???

I'm very satisfied with 50 to 100 mg. never more.