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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Well now that you've put the above I feel a little stupid. Oops
Next question was the beaker you filtered INTO HOT?
No. Will fix for attempt 2
I just make sure I have boiling hot water and have that beaker sit in hot water till it is HOT

also

When once that is hot and you have filtered INTO into make sure that water is hot and you consistently replace the hot water I have no problems with evaporated acetone
So you don't have the water bath on a hotplate? You just replace the water over time? Do you measure temperature and ramp down over the 2 days or keep at the same temp?
If you are you are either going to hot

Or your saturated solution isn't saturated ENOUGH

It should BE VERY HARD to dissolve larger ammounts of MDMA into acetone

What temps are you using?
On the hotplate small amounts of acetone boiled at a setting just above 50C. As I added more, I had to turn up to more like 100.
And ammounts of MDMA are you using?
I was using 1g. I found I needed about 55ml of near boiling acetone to dissolve it.
Crystals should take 2 days to form


Ohhhh wait a second I think I know your problem I bet you are using a WIDE MOUTH BEAKER?
Yes, and quite small, about 100ml
Switch to a narrow end flat bottom beaker that is typically of boiling flask

It can be a flat bottom round boiling flask. Erlenmeyer flask with screw closure, or a conicol

Or it can be round if on a mantel just make sure it's a boiling flask DURNING the heating process.

You may also need to raise the temperature a bit so it cools down slower

Ok, I have a round bottom flask, but doesn't have a screwtop. Once you have everything dissolved should you put a rubber stopper in?

And what capacity of flask for these kind of quantities?
 
Well now that you've put the above I feel a little stupid. Oops

No. Will fix for attempt 2

So you don't have the water bath on a hotplate? You just replace the water over time? Do you measure temperature and ramp down over the 2 days or keep at the same temp?

On the hotplate small amounts of acetone boiled at a setting just above 50C. As I added more, I had to turn up to more like 100.

I was using 1g. I found I needed about 55ml of near boiling acetone to dissolve it.

Yes, and quite small, about 100ml


Ok, I have a round bottom flask, but doesn't have a screwtop. Once you have everything dissolved should you put a rubber stopper in?

And what capacity of flask for these kind of quantities?
I use a 500ml to 1000ml flask and do ammounts much greater then 1 gram at a time

Yes I filter into a hot short mouth flask that is in boiling hot water and has warmed up and over the day continue to add hot water to displace the cold water, I leave the flask in the water I just have the water flow flow in the bathi do it over the course of the day 6-12 hrs no rhyme or reason just when the water is cold I add more hot water to help reduce the cooling temp by raising it and making it take longer

I have a rubber stopper both when I'm dissolving

Then when I filter into the other flask for the temp ramp down... I move the stopper to the other flask

I do ammounts much bigger then a gram more like 14g to 1 oz at a time

1g will be very hard due to mechanical losses

If you deal with a much bigger flask and much larger ammounts evaporated acetone won't be an issue especially with a stopper

I wouldn't do any less then 14-28g and a 500ml boiling flaskyou can filter into another flask that isn't boiling just make sure it can handle the volume you wish to use.

You will probably also be ok if you do that then by morning the crystal start to form if that happens no need to to re adding hot water.

By day 2 they will get a bit larger

For smaller ammounts like 1-2 grams

Or something like 200-300mg column chromotography is better then recrystallization
 
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Thanks @vash445 makes sense. I have a collection of left overs of meh over the years but I don't think its going to come close to 14g. Will have a look and a think...
 
It's been a while since I tried recrystallisation and I'm not a chemist so I've forgotten most of what I know. Looking at some videos and other resources I'm getting my head back in the game but a couple of questions:

1) Should I do just acetone, or the isopropyl + acetone method suggested by @unodelacosa ? I'm happy with either as long as I konw what I'm doing
2) If just acetone, do you bring that to the boil before adding to the mdma or a set temp?
3) For these long cool downs, can you just leave on the hotplate and gradually reduce the temp setting over time?
4) One video I saw used a water both beaker with two test tubes suspended. One with the substance, and one with the solvent. Is this a good setup or do I just heat up solvent, pipette to separate beaker with mdma until dissolved, and then move the disolved mdma onto the hotplate for the long cool down procedure?
5) When cooling down, should I cover/seal beaker/tube with aluminium foil
6) Should I insert a hot filtration step? That seems quite common

I'm not concerned with yield, only quality to maximise chances of it working.

Thanks

1) acetone is actually used as an anti solvent. Recrystallizing in pure acetone.... not saying it doesnt work, but youd prolly need a gallon of acetome per gram of MDXX. it is not efficient at all.. Iso is usually the re-x solvent. And its about 1g of MDxx to 20 mL boiling iso. Iso re-x usually gives smaller crystals it is the choice solvent.

Im not going to suggest anything, but dissolving in boiling water, add acetome till start to see a cloud. Add just enuf water to let it clarify. THEN, you do set in a place where theres no vibrations, and dont look at it for weeks. This gives fist sized crystals if done right, they need to be purged in a vac oven for days....

2) yes you bring whatever solvent youre using to a boil. Raises eyebrows to me when someone suggests acetone as a re-x, because its literally what ppl use to wash out impurities.

3) yes that is the best way.

4) no comment. Seems stupid also

5) yes for 2 reasons. Obv one is for dust control, number 2 is the foil slows down the evaporation rate, which prevents over nucleation (which leads to a sandy kind of crystallization, the slower u bring temp dpwn/prevent evap, the less nucleation points and crystals get larger.

6) this is your last chance to filter out any debris, so yeah its recommended. Cant hurt to throw thru a coffee filter.

Still dislike this thread. Good MDMA is obtainable for most ppl across world
 
Keys to the lambo for aspiring chemists...

1) acetone is actually used as an anti solvent. Recrystallizing in pure acetone.... not saying it doesnt work, but youd prolly need a gallon of acetome per gram of MDXX. it is not efficient at all.. Iso is usually the re-x solvent. And its about 1g of MDxx to 20 mL boiling iso. Iso re-x usually gives smaller crystals it is the choice solvent.

Im not going to suggest anything, but dissolving in boiling water, add acetome till start to see a cloud. Add just enuf water to let it clarify. THEN, you do set in a place where theres no vibrations, and dont look at it for weeks. This gives fist sized crystals if done right, they need to be purged in a vac oven for days....

2) yes you bring whatever solvent youre using to a boil. Raises eyebrows to me when someone suggests acetone as a re-x, because its literally what ppl use to wash out impurities.

3) yes that is the best way.

4) no comment. Seems stupid also

5) yes for 2 reasons. Obv one is for dust control, number 2 is the foil slows down the evaporation rate, which prevents over nucleation (which leads to a sandy kind of crystallization, the slower u bring temp dpwn/prevent evap, the less nucleation points and crystals get larger.

6) this is your last chance to filter out any debris, so yeah its recommended. Cant hurt to throw thru a coffee filter.

Still dislike this thread. Good MDMA is obtainable for most ppl across world
Yes it's normally as an anti solvent because it is really hard to dissolve the MDMA like I said

It definitely is possible and I said this is the solvent I had. It's really hard to dissolve like I said but it does work and this is what I had on hand.

But it DOES work and some people use just acetone on MDMA and prefer it. It's just hard to get everything to dissolve as said earlier hence #2 2. You can do either or just make sure it all dissolves you typically want it slightly under the boiling point of solvent or melting point of the MDMA. "It will take a bit to dissolve with just acetone"

Yes it's normally a wash solvent but when you wash it and nothing comes off even crushed into a powder it doesn't become a wash solvent in my experience with meh. They probably have already washed it.

As yes isopropyl or methanol are preferred avoid ethanol because it traps too much MDMA

I avoid water recrystallization or to dissolve because I've had issues with water trapped in the lattices and it made it worse. I don't have a vac oven though XD

But it does dissolve MDMA quite easy

Hahaha

When I said just under the boiling point I mean it goes from under boiling point to past boiling point on cheaper uncontrolled hotplates

Even one that detects and turns off I've noticed my thermometer go from boiling point to well past boiling point. Even after I turn of my hotplate and stirring when the stirring stops the temp will still raise as the stirring is what helps keep everything cool

I'm not sure if I'm right but the most important thing is to avoid going past the melting point of MDMA or blast right past it

*Edit yes I was right like I thought is bad to recrystallize past the melting point because the compound will likely "oil out" instead of crystallizing, leading to poor purity and a lower yield. When a solution is heated above the sample's melting point, it can form liquid droplets of the impure substance instead of pure crystals. This is because the impurities can be extracted into the solution, and the intended crystallization will not occur.

The most common form of MDMA, the hydrochloride salt, melts at a higher temperature of 172-173c 342-343f

Your boiling solvent should be safe

While a coffee filter works...

High quality filter paper with medium/small pores is suggested even 3x coffee filters I noticed a lot of junk but it better then nothing

#3)" yes that is the best way."

But don't forget you still have to filter it. This involves moving the flasks back and forth while leaving it on the hotplate is fine once you filter it you will be moving back onto the hotplate

If you take a NON boiling flask even with hot solvent onto that plate. CRACK. that's why " I prefer the hot water bath method" after filtering

Your preferences may vary with resources at hand
 
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Keys to the lambo for aspiring chemists...

And thanks for chiming in no hard feelings

Maybe I didn't explain thing clear enough

I have no objections to your comment except if when you filter keeping it on the hotplate and depending on what type of flask or beaker he has to filter into
 
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Good stuff going around now IME.
Did you try the stuff in the 90s ? That's the real question if not I don't think people really would know or care

I use to work for MAPS and people would chime in the subpar MDMA quality at work on their off time. The get togethers BBQ and potlucks etc

That's why they said it's needs to be ultra pure

Like ultra ultra pure 90% isn't enough it needs to be 99% to get from 90 to 99% isn't that easy consistently as stated in breaking bad and experience

If you have and remember I apologize

But those from the 90s really remember

I was even thinking the avg stuff going around was good. Till I recrystallized shared etc.

People said batch B is better then batch A that it came from etc etc

It's like the Pepsi challenge unless you moving several hundred grams a year and test multi different ones and suppliers you night never know

I've encountered 1-2 batches from close friends consistently but most markets is meh

And I know people who move multi kilos without markets and their product is still meh and our friends and their customers come to me for recrystallized MDMA

This might not be something thing people notice and feel "it's good enough" and will fool most people see cleanliness next to godliness below

The fact is we reached a price to the bottom point and people will do anything to lower the price and cheat the system vs put out a quality product is it around yes there is 1 people I can get it from reliable the rest people think the avg market is ok until they had this blew their mind maps equivalent batch

There is 1 darknet vendor putting out maps synth but otherwise there's very few people to get magic reliable that was around from the 90s

If you weren't around you would never know

And I know people moving kilos.

Unless you are moving 100s and grams experimenting with recrystallization and non recrystallized etc etc. You might never know what good good is .

I'm not saying it ISNT around I'm saying in my experience and the market and people that move

Friends can go to a non darknet local guy who moves kilos. My friends will still rather go to me for my recrystallization batch and we all know each other so I know this is true sorta deal

What about the MAPS Eighty-two Global Psychedelic Dinners in 16 countries took place during Spring and early Summer of 2016 did you ever go to one?
If I ever run into one of the old corrdinators I'll ask but they moved from where I am to a new HQ in San Francisco

I still see some of them from time to time around town last was Rudy 2-3 years ago briefly


I just happen to know stuff not documented etc because I have worked for MAPS for a bit

I'm not saying it isn't around

But it's not around to the ammount that if you have experience from the 90s, worked with people in the industry etc etc.

The magic MDMA isn't as wide spread as people think it is

I know I've personally given people a double blind and they could tell the difference between it's alright and wow.

But it isn't until have had some really crazy amazing stuff that people won't know

It is around but it's still not like 9 out of 10 darknet vendors have it.

It is still more like 1 out of 100 sorta deal market might have gotten a little better. But it isn't isn't blow my FUCKING mind of the 90s sorta deal.

But maybe you are like me and have friend in "High" places and a personally experimenting on recrystallization different batches etc etc

Touching 500g of 2-3 different kinds a year etc etc idk what I do know is most people probably don't know unless you did stuff in the 90s
 
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What I can say publicly is I can lower prices to at BELOW darknet market rate or intercinnected wholesale rate of 3 different kinds

And people still want the recrystallized MDMA for black Friday at premium cost no price breaks

That means people will pay $100g vs 300-400oz on black Friday special because the recrystallization has been done correctly and they would have have ultra pure vs bulk and none of it is bad per se.

But if they are helping me get rid of stuff that's saying something

As it's not just a recrystallization as 3 point circle has pointed out but a PROPER recrystallization
 
People really should read

LSD Purity: Cleanliness Is Next To Godliness by Bruce Eisner 1977 Originally published in High Times

Source : Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies – MAPS https://share.google/6nsjtJYPQuZQxb32g


In the late 1940s, psychologists began experimenting with LSD as a "psychotomimetic" drug - one that causes the taker temporarily to mime the condition of psychosis. Some experimental subjects, however, and eventually some modern mystics like Aldous Huxley, Allen Ginsberg, and Alan Watts discovered in LSD a shortcut to the ecstasy and egolessness of nirvana. LSD was recognized as the switch that turned on the clear light of the void.

Today's acid trip, however, is far more likely to resemble a live TV broadcast in runny color from the from seat of a roller coaster or a scene from The Exorcist. The decline in psychedelic quality over the years, which resembles the degeneration of Christianity and Russian Communism, has been a consequence of greed and opportunism on the part of manufactures and distributors. They offer to substitute immediate sensory gratifications for the original spiritual ideals. But the history of underground chemistry is also one of ingenuity and courage though influenced by haste and amateurishness. Its is the story of how LSD-25, the most powerful and spiritual molecule known to humanity became a "street drug."

Originally all LSD was made by Sandoz Pharmaceutical company, which had developed the chemical and hoped to market it commercially. It came in glass ampules filled with blue liquid, or small tablets in bottles with pharmaceutical labels specifying strength.

With underground LSD use came underground manufacture. The first recorded underground laboratory was set up by Bernard Roseman in 1962. Roseman, who now lives in seclusion in Oregon, was later arrested for allegedly attempting to smuggle 62,000 doses of LSD. In his LSD and the Age of the Mind, he has this account of the first manufacture of LSD of less than pharmaceutical quality:

"I have already invested a year - on and off - and all the money I could save on this project, and I was at the point of admitting defeat. At this time, I was naturally reading everything I could lay my hands upon about ergot alkaloids. I stumbled upon a few articles that at first seemed quite unrelated to LSD, but they were logical and worth a try; because by comparison the process was exceedingly simple, compared to Hofmann's monumental preparation.

I obtained new starting material and worked it up to the point I was sure was correct, where I had d-lysergic acid monohydrate, quite useless by itself but the prerequisite for making LSD-25 by any system. The rest of my ordered materials arrived and I was ready to proceed. After so many repeated failures, I couldn't accept the possibility that this few-day procedure would work.

I went ahead nevertheless, though pessimistically, so that my seemingly apparent failure would not bother me too much. I worked with extreme care, protecting anything from heat and light. At the last step, when I was recrystallizing the few grams I had obtained, I was filtering the crystals off by vacuum and using ether. When all the ether evaporated , the substance started to absorb moisture from the atmosphere and was turning black before my eyes. All my work was gone: I stood there shocked unable to move for a moment. My hands instinctively grabbed an alcohol bottle and I pored it over the black decomposed material hoping to salvage something. I separated it with water and disheartedly took the black mess home. All night I tossed and turned and dreamt horrible, unrelated dreams.

At the first crack of dawn, I jumped out of bed, grabbed the flask from the refrigerator, poured a teaspoonful and drank it down. I went back to bed and turned on Wagner's Parsifal. Minutes passed by and nothing seemed to happen. I had psychologically prepared myself for failure, so I just closed my eyes and lay back an listened to the wonderful sounds of Wagner. In my concentration, I failed to notice that the music was getting slowly louder and instead of just my ears hearing, all my senses seemed to encompass the sound., and instead of hearing the music - I was the music!

Beautiful, soft colors emerged and exploded as climates of tone were achieved. An immediate understanding of the composer's intentions was revealed to me; I was being taken on a heavenly excursion into the world of pure sound and emotion. All at once, I sprang up with joy. I was in the state of LSD - my own LSD which I had made. I was deliriously happy and proud of my success."

LSD is a translucent crystal; this was a black mess. Thus, the first underground LSD was also the first impure batch, and its distribution may, somewhere, have incurred the first unfavorable consumer reaction.

By 1965, use had increased sharply. Most acid at this time came in sugar cubes dropped with liquid Sandoz or some type of underground LSD. What percentage of the material was Sandoz is left to future determination. Augustus Stanley Owsley III, unable to obtain any pharmaceutical LSD, began to manufacture his own - first in Los Angeles in '65, then in nearby Point Richmond in '66.

Owsley's fellow alchemist, Tim Scully, admitted to me that the 1965 batch was impure, but claims that Owsley and he perfected a purification process in 1966. Many who used both Sandoz and Owsley - the latter came in tablets of purple (Purple Haze) and white (White Lightning) of 270 micrograms - say that Owsley acid was less mystical and had more stimulant side reactions than the Sandoz product.

Timothy Leary, who realized that impurities were a threat to the spreading psychedelic revolution, uttered prophetic words of warning at a Senate committee hearing in 1966, in exchange with Teddy Kennedy:

Senator Kennedy of Massachusetts: "What is it in the quality that you are frightened about?"

Dr. Leary: "We do not want amateur or black-market sale or distribution of LSD."

Senator Kennedy: "Why not?"

Dr. Leary: "Or the barbiturates or liquor. When you buy a bottle of liquor-"

Senator Kennedy: "This is not responsive. As to LSD, why do you not want it?"

Dr. Leary: "On possession?"

Senator Kennedy: "Why do you not want the indiscriminate manufacture and distribution? Is it because it is dangerous?"

Dr. Leary: "Because you do not know what you are getting..."

Despite Leary's warning, LSD was made illegal on October 16, 1966.

Owsley acid was the first large-scale commercialization of LSD. There were other smaller LSD laboratories before Owsley, and there were scores of laboratories that put out LSD at the same time that Owsley did. Some were making LSD of a purer form; the majority made it much worse.

After Owsley was arrested in 1967 at his tabbing facility at Orinda, California, his protege Scully set up a laboratory with Nicholas Sand, another alchemist long involved in the psychedelic scene. They manufactured a quantity of ALD-52 - a cousin to LSD, which they called Sunshine - in large crumbly orange tablets of 270 micrograms or so. [Erowid Note: Though it was claimed at the time that they were producing ALD-52, we now believe that they were, in fact, producing LSD.]

In the spring of 1969, Ron Stark, then a chemist with a European LSD factory and now a fugitive, allegedly began supplying underground acid to the Brotherhood of Eternal Love. Since the Brotherhood was also, by this time, distributing ALD-52, and since both drugs were tabbed into identical pills (except for a few early blue tablets of ALD-52), many people didn't realize that there was more than one kind of Sunshine. Many counterfeit versions soon appeared on the market, most of which were impure, according to Scully.

Sand and Scully ceased manufacturing, but Stark went on to produce over 10 kilograms (over 35 million doses in crystal form) of what became the famous Orange Sunshine - the last of which actually appeared in large red and green tablets called "Christmas Acid."

With the Sunshine boom came increased reports of side effects. In addition to stimulant reactions and symptoms akin to those of strychnine poisoning being reported, there seemed to be something missing in the spiritual dimensions of this new underground acid. Michael Hollinshead, who gave Leary his first taste of acid in 1960, later wrote in The Man Who Turned on the World:

There was now (1968) little good acid around, and what there was - the so-called "street acid" - came mainly from California. There was something wrong with the synthesis; it was not pure. And you were never sure what it was exactly that you were taking, so I only dropped it on those rare occasions when someone gave me "Sandoz" or "crystal" acid...

My evaluation had nothing to do with the notion that a wholly synthetic drug produced a wholly synthetic experience - the intellectual response - but was based on direct, first-hand experience (about 30 trips with street acid in all). And in each session I felt that there was something it lacked - it was too "electric," too "speedy" and too "mind-shattering." The earlier clarity of "insight" which I had obtained via the Sandoz acid was replaced by confusion, brokenness, words and worlds thrown into absolute dismemberment, or even absolute chaos, though, I must add, often coupled with a feeling that I can only describe as "sublime inflation," a super abundance of emotive energy, but it could not signify more a passionate flame and less the life-giving sun.
 
1) acetone is actually used as an anti solvent. Recrystallizing in pure acetone.... not saying it doesnt work, but youd prolly need a gallon of acetome per gram of MDXX. it is not efficient at all.. Iso is usually the re-x solvent. And its about 1g of MDxx to 20 mL boiling iso. Iso re-x usually gives smaller crystals it is the choice solvent.
@ThreePointCircle
To me, the standard two-solvent recrystallization of MDMA is with acetone and isopropyl alcohol. Ice-cold, anhydrous acetone will not dissolve MDMA, but it will rinse off the exterior. Boiling IPA will dissolve MDMA, but it loses this solubility as it cools. The idea is to allow the solution to cool very slowly, encouraging contiguous crystal formation. The anhydrous acetone sort of cleans the crystal lattice as it forms, and yes, it acts as an anti-solvent so that you can be more precise with your solution saturation. So you dissolve the MDMA in just enough IPA as it takes to completely dissolve with stirring and heat, maybe a splash more. Then you slowly add the second solvent until your solution turns slightly cloudy, indicating saturation. This is then allowed to very slowly form crystals, and voila!

Another possible combination for MDMA is to use diethyl ether and acetone. Gives prettier crystals, though they're also a bit more delicate than IPA/acetone-born crystals.

Im not going to suggest anything, but dissolving in boiling water, add acetome till start to see a cloud. Add just enuf water to let it clarify. THEN, you do set in a place where theres no vibrations, and dont look at it for weeks. This gives fist sized crystals if done right, they need to be purged in a vac oven for days....

2) yes you bring whatever solvent youre using to a boil. Raises eyebrows to me when someone suggests acetone as a re-x, because its literally what ppl use to wash out impurities.
Again – two-solvent system. No one is saying "only use acetone". That's retarded. As you've pointed out. Note: I'm not knocking you at all, Didgitall. I know you know this stuff and I'm posting this comment for the education of other ppl even though the response is to you.

5) yes for 2 reasons. Obv one is for dust control, number 2 is the foil slows down the evaporation rate, which prevents over nucleation (which leads to a sandy kind of crystallization, the slower u bring temp dpwn/prevent evap, the less nucleation points and crystals get larger.
Yes, fewer nucleation points are better. You can also seed the solution if you have a crystals previously formed, setting your own nucleation point.

Still dislike this thread.
I think I'm starting to agree with you. It's tedious. But if ppl wanna spin their wheels, whatever.

Good MDMA is obtainable for most ppl across world
Most? Well… yeah that's probably true, and almost certainly true for the Western World.
 
@ThreePointCircle
To me, the standard two-solvent recrystallization of MDMA is with acetone and isopropyl alcohol. Ice-cold, anhydrous acetone will not dissolve MDMA, but it will rinse off the exterior. Boiling IPA will dissolve MDMA, but it loses this solubility as it cools. The idea is to allow the solution to cool very slowly, encouraging contiguous crystal formation. The anhydrous acetone sort of cleans the crystal lattice as it forms, and yes, it acts as an anti-solvent so that you can be more precise with your solution saturation. So you dissolve the MDMA in just enough IPA as it takes to completely dissolve with stirring and heat, maybe a splash more. Then you slowly add the second solvent until your solution turns slightly cloudy, indicating saturation. This is then allowed to very slowly form crystals, and voila!

Another possible combination for MDMA is to use diethyl ether and acetone. Gives prettier crystals, though they're also a bit more delicate than IPA/acetone-born crystals.


Again – two-solvent system. No one is saying "only use acetone". That's retarded. As you've pointed out. Note: I'm not knocking you at all, Didgitall. I know you know this stuff and I'm posting this comment for the education of other ppl even though the response is to you.


Yes, fewer nucleation points are better. You can also seed the solution if you have a crystals previously formed, setting your own nucleation point.


I think I'm starting to agree with you. It's tedious. But if ppl wanna spin their wheels, whatever.


Most? Well… yeah that's probably true, and almost certainly true for the Western World.
Debatable people in cluding Amsterdam say 5/6apb is better than MDMA I have a friend with access to both and sadly it's purity is 55% for APB

What's up with that.
 
Debatable people in cluding Amsterdam say 5/6apb is better than MDMA I have a friend with access to both and sadly it's purity is 55% for APB

What's up with that.
5-APB and 6-APB are both more comparable to MDA in terms of qualitative effects and duration (perhaps longer-lasting than MDA). Can't speak for impurities other than to say the material seemed consistent, potent, bright white, powdery like confectioner's sugar more than table salt, bitter and painful to insufflate. Oral is best RoA for me and it comes and goes in waves…
 
5-APB and 6-APB are both more comparable to MDA in terms of qualitative effects and duration (perhaps longer-lasting than MDA). Can't speak for impurities other than to say the material seemed consistent, potent, bright white, powdery like confectioner's sugar more than table salt, bitter and painful to insufflate. Oral is best RoA for me and it comes and goes in waves…
5 was more MDA like he said
6 was more MDMA like he said

But he also said the same thing about LSD vs LSD RCS

I just don't think the markets and people are by in large have the education...

Not after doing quality recrystallization

Like I said something is always missing or off about all MDMA unless it's ultra ultra pure I'm talk 99% quality not 90%

But I'll be sending him some recrystallized to have him form his own view

And yes I've omitted HCl salt in layman's terms
 
"Like I said something is always missing or off about all MDMA unless it's ultra ultra pure I'm talk 99% quality not 90%." - vash445

This May Be Our Answer.
 
"Like I said something is always missing or off about all MDMA unless it's ultra ultra pure I'm talk 99% quality not 90%." - vash445

This May Be Our Answer.
It's more like bruce said it in LSD cleanliness next to godliness

And my own experience
 
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