What is the worst drug to have withdrawals from?

[Oasis29]

I will admit. The depression from coming down from MDMA sadly caused one of my friends to commit suicide... that's why I will never do it. Never leave someone alone for the 24-48 hours after doing it.

 

[njirem]

Pregaline (lyrica) cold turky was absolutely traumatic, physical and mentally pure hell. I've never been through opiate withdrawl but i have been though alcohol and benzo withdrawl, and ive read stories of people describing pregabalin withdrawl as a combo of opiate/benzo withdrawal.

It felt like having the worst flu, psychosis and major insomnia and anxiety combined, had my muscles cramping and was sweating all the time, at weird places like my chest and wrists. Felt cold while it was hot, felt hot while it was cold... It was absolute torture...Didn't get any better at all, it just continued and continued for days on end, couldn't eat, drink, shower, sleep, only cry and feel like i had Ebola or something. Really thought i was dying for real.

Alcohol was pretty hard, but managable with librium. Mentally pretty hard.

Marijuhana is just annoying.

Also had some very though times kicking ssri's and benzo's, but nothing compared to the worst of the worst imo: pregabalin.

 

[oiltrashderrickrat]

Methadone easy I came off 50mg cold turkey didn't sleep for a week my legs hurt so bad I had to take baths you let my muscles get warm and relax it was by far the worst two weeks of my life now some people say benzo wd is hell I really wouldn't know I've taken benzo a lot but never became dependent on them they say if feels like your brain is zapping you or some shit I dunno but I think methodone would still be the worst nothing I did gave me any comfort except a warm bath and sugar lots of it music as well really helped just so you know those are about all you can do for the wds from that horrible shit can't believe its even legal america is fucked up like that

 

[Erikmen]

Psychologically speaking, I believe no one can ever get free from Benzo´s. Not because of the good relaxing effects, simply due to the changes they make in your way of thinking, behaving and personality.
Even how you work and treat your beloved ones and you will never be able to cope with anxiety properly.
Not 3 not 5 or 6 years later.
On the other other hand, I think the hardest ones, on a shorter term, are opiates because you suffer physically and you have the worst w/d from my experience ever.
Add up eternal cravings and you have a real problem. Not as generalized though.
You do get the sense of freedom after all, which is basically impossible to get from benzos IMO.

 

[Lady Codone]

I voted benzos. Glad to see so many others did too.

I've quit antidepressants, opiates, stimulants and entactogens cold turkey after prolonged use and none of it was in the same universe as benzo withdrawal. The worst part? It took a full year for symptoms to subside enough for me to function as a human being again. Been clean 14 months and I still have zero sex drive, can't lose the weight I gained during withdrawal and suffer with anhedonia and IBS.

When I say withdrawal lasted a year, I'm not talking about PAWS or some other less-severe thing. I'm talking full-blown withdrawals as bad as the first day.

Sorry so rambly, but I can't reiterate enough how awful benzo withdrawal is.

 

[Professer]

From some other posts above: I wouldnt call any comedown withdrawal.

Erik, tell me about your benzo use. Im just rolling down that path and want to get off before its too late. But it treats my back pain better than opiates... fucking legalize cannabis FL! 2% away ugh

Same with you, lady, did the IBS come as a part of getting off it? Being gay, that'd suck to have.

I started with etiz, not long enough half life, so switched to diclazepam (supposively 7-10x potency diazepam 42hrs half-life) and my maintenance dose was 16mg at that point. Month or two later I'm dosing 50mg 1x daily, the drug isnt fun like etiz and I get no high, but I guess my addictive nature pushed it up there. Im finding Im able to lower my dose at a faster rate when I take syrian rue. I took 30mg today and am feeling fine, for now. I was trying to do an Ashton Manual type thing before that and it wasn't going so well, more on my part of impatience and funding all this. I got to 45mg doing the slow taper, but I'd cheat, so, ehh.

Any advice? Am I fucked? I also kinda developed anxiety issues after a car accident that lead to all this. I've had it all along, just I was above it, but I hermited up into a dark place after the accident and constant pain. Feel like I can't see a doc and try to explain all of this and be treated properly.

Im afraid I wont be able to fully get off it unless my back pain eventually diminishes through therapy. Oh Ive gone on too long.

 

[SolidEther]

Ha.. I was kidding bro, I guess i don't convey sarcasm real well in writing. It's not bad going off of it at all... It's not even a real withdrawal, i just like sleep a lot more than normal for a few days in a completely fine, content mood..

That is in the initial stages of recreational usage with moderate tolerance. We all used to enjoy the week long binge and crash asleep for 3 days and be fine. Unfortunately that period ends and the addiction becomes complicated as tolerences increase. THen the doses need are higher and are administered closer together. Crashes under heavier users with signifigant tolerance include a day or so of unsatisfied broken sleep, then no sleep for days in some cases. Horrible body aches, in the spine and shoulders specifically. THe depression and fatigue are very signifigant and can debilitate you as bedridden for days. It can make every aspect of life impossibly challenging and full of suicidal thoughts.

 

[Phiddle Head]

I'm in day 2 of quitting tramadol (1800 to 2400 mg) cold turkey. And I must admit it sucks ass, but I'll take it over quitting oxy any day. I've quit oxy (150 to 240 mg.) cold turkey three times in the past 3 years and it was far, far worse. Far worse; three days of laying in a dark room vomiting over the edge of the bed into a 5 gallon bucket. The worst time I lost 25 pounds in 3 days. I just quit 120 mg. oxy cold turkey 2 weeks ago and took very high doses of tramadol and had almost NO wds! Now I'm coming off the tramadol and it sucks but is a walk in the park compared to the oxy.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Benzos... So badly that I tapered for a year and only managed to get down to 10mg of diazepam and couldn't function at all so I said fuck it and went back to 20mg by ordering from overseas and have a stockpile of flubromazepam if it ever comes down to that which would last me for years... I have been rapid tapered, gone cold turkey, tried to taper... Fuck it. Benzos for life. And I'm still disabled and unable to function with the low dose of diazepam I'm on now so I don't know what to do. Suicide is always an option for me until I realize how many people I'd destroy and probably take with me, not to mention my belief in reincarnation means I'd just have to do it again.

I can do any drug on a big bender and just stop. Not benzos. Fuck benzos. I hate them so much but they are the only way I can function!

 

[Phiddle Head]

I can't say I know your pain Kat but I hope you avoid the suicide route. There is always a way out and Mother Nature is a mad scientist.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I can't say I know your pain Kat but I hope you avoid the suicide route. There is always a way out and Mother Nature is a mad scientist.

Suicide is out.... But these damn benzos... I don't know what to do about then because every time I try to come off of them, it's like I'm going to die. So fuck it, I'll stay on benzos... I don't know what else to do. These psychiatrists with their damn pills. I probably would have been successful with my taper if she wasn't trying to shove more pills down my throat and would have let me go at my own pace and gave me the damn diazepam syrup so I could ease off slowly but ohhhh no. Gotta take this and that and you just have to be on a damn pill and all of a sudden my need for benzos doubles. Dumb bitch I'm back where I started!

/end rant

I wouldn't fuss with the psychiatrist at all but I have to for my disability...

But there is no worse class of drugs to come off than GABAergics. Period.

 

[Parabolan]

Just to be different, I won't state the usual benzo/opiates reply

Not the worst, but has anyone here had experience coming off high doses of venlafaxine? It has a very distinct feeling to it when it starts to run out in your bloodstream, and I'm lost for the words to describe it, as anyone that's been on this drug will knowvwhat I mean, can someone else better describe it?
For me its the most brutal anti depressant I've used, and ive tried them all virtually!

I know EXACTLY what ur talking about...

 

[Parabolan]

Psychologically speaking, I believe no one can ever get free from Benzo´s. Not because of the good relaxing effects, simply due to the changes they make in your way of thinking, behaving and personality.
Even how you work and treat your beloved ones and you will never be able to cope with anxiety properly.
Not 3 not 5 or 6 years later.
On the other other hand, I think the hardest ones, on a shorter term, are opiates because you suffer physically and you have the worst w/d from my experience ever.
Add up eternal cravings and you have a real problem. Not as generalized though.
You do get the sense of freedom after all, which is basically impossible to get from benzos IMO.

So true...

 

[4meSM]

I'm curious about benzo wd. Can't you do a SUPER SLOW taper? I mean like switching to the longest acting benzo you can get and taper as slowly as you have to, even if it takes several months. So that way you don't suffer the WD and give your body time to adapt.
Or is it too dificult? Some people do that with buprenorphine with if i'm not mistaken, obviously benzos and opiates are diferent.

 

[MagickalKat777]

The damage is still done. It's possible to learn to live with the anxiety but there is no reset. It's never gone.

 

[Phiddle Head]

It seems like you were close to quitting benzos before~ until your doctor screwed things up. Maybe you can find a new doctor who actually sees your potential to quit and doesn't shove more pills down your throat. A good support system is beyond invaluable. My support system was my doctor; I guess I got lucky to get a good one. But they are out there and you've already proven you can do it.

 

[MagickalKat777]

Well I fired that bitch... Apparently when I went off the deep end I called in a stupor and filed a complaint against my psychiatrist, don't remember doing it, was black out drunk, but they decided to switch me to a new one. My therapist called me and told me that she has personally spoken to her and that we have similar personalities and should be a good fit.

The problem is that I dove back into the hallucinogens and MXE and now I am not sure I want to give that up. When you taper you can't do jack shit. At best I'd be able to pull off a 1.5 year taper... Fuck that. I've already lost 7 years of my life to benzos and they say it takes half a year to a year for every year you were on them. What's the point?

 

[DamienSin]

Long time lurker first time poster...For me the hardest thing ive ever had to kick was the opiates/heroin. Ive kicked them at least 50 times in the last 20 year's so alot of unpleasant experience I have. The one difference is this for me. If I am detoxing on my own will power and not being forced its not as bad..if I just can't get my hands on any H or pills and its a forced withdrawal. .then that's much harder for me because mentally I want to get high. Where doing it myself im ok mentally and just have to deal with the physical aspects of wd. No matter how many times I suffer this same fate(wd) I still go back to my first love...no one else makes me feel how Mrs . H can.

 

[Phiddle Head]

They say a lot of things that are total bullshit. I say, you know you can do it and there is no drug stronger than will power. But it appears you've made up your mind (see what I mean about will power) so there's no point in me preaching.

 

[Phiddle Head]

That last post was for MagicalKatt. But a welcome to you, DamienSin. I am always amazed at people who can detox and return to Mr. Brownstone so many times. 4 times of cold turkey oxy quitting for me and I will never dance at that party again!