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What is the most visual 2C-x compound?

greenmeanies said:
Perhaps you need more time to become acquainted with how 2C-I affects your body, and maybe you should try different physical remedies (take a warm shower or bath; roll around in a ball of fuzzy blankets; make love for three hours with your significant other; go for a jog to get the excess energy out)... the possibilities are endless. Pretty much the WORST way to deal with 2C-stimulation is to try sitting still staring at a screen.
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Very very very well said. I find this so so true with 2C-E. I personally only get a tad of nausea but I do get some unpleasant body feels, both with oral and nasal. I always assumed it was just the oral come up and the burn from nasal, but just over a month ago I went to see the Chemical Brothers live, and I dosed ~50mg 2C-E total (some nasal some oral), expecting to puke and feel horrible, but I didn't feel the slightest bit uncomfortable, not for a single moment - why? Because I wasn't just sitting around, I was walking around, dancing, enjoying myself - and that's how it's meant to be.

If you do want to be still, then my advice is to lay down rather than sit, but seriously, even if you feel really lethargic, as 2Cs sometimes make me feel, if you get up and start moving it'll give you a ton of energy. I danced for like 6 hours solid on 2C-E before without even feeling tired, and normally just 5 minutes of jogging gets me tired hah.

Anyway, on topic, I can't comment since I've only tried 2C-E, but 2C-E is very visual, provided you get the dose right. I personally don't agree with Erowid's dose scale, as I don't find any value in taking less than 20mg orally. 30-40mg seems to be the sweet spot orally for me, though I've yet to try higher (aside from at that concert, but some was nasal and nasal is a completely different experience for me). However YMMV.

Over a year later edit: Kinda funny. I came back to this thread and was about to quote the same post and write a similar reply, but I ended up reading more and found out I already had a year ago. Hah.
 
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solistus said:
If weed is cheaper for you than RCs then you're either overpaying for RCs or getting a great deal on weed.

I've tried 2C-I and 2C-E. 2C-I isn't very visual, especially at doses under 30mg. 2C-E is much more visual, one of the only psychedelics that *consistently* produces strong patterning and distortions for me.
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YMMV, obviously. 20mg or below, 2C-I is not very visual for me.

But starting at 25mg, I get *VERY* strong vivid trails that hover in midair and are visible for 5-10 seconds, along with strong overall brightening and color intensification, like my Color, Contrast and Brightness controls have all been turned up.

Perhaps those effects are not ones you describe as "visuals."

I do agree though, compared to other psychedelic-associated visual these effects are very stable, almost more of a "Video Effect" than hallucinatory.... no objects morphing, no floating demon heads suddenly manifesting, no faces forming out of random patterns, etc. In fact it seems to make all boundaries and outlines far MORE crisp and stable the usual.

I agree that 2C-E is alot more like LSD and tryptamines. I do get trails from it, bit not as intense as 2C-I. Also for me it does cause: color shifting, very strong after-images.... like if I see on object and stare at it for a moment, then quickly look at a blank wall I will see an EXTREMELY vivid after-image of it but often in shifted day-go colors.... the afterimage might then take on a life of its own, remaining persistent beyond all normalcy and morphing in all manner of other forms as long as I wish to watch it, sometimes conceptually related to the original object, sometimes random. As well as edges wiggling and surfaces waving or morphing in 3D, though not as intense as shrooms or LSD.
 
DwayneHoover said:
But starting at 25mg, I get *VERY* strong vivid trails that hover in midair and are visible for 5-10 seconds, along with strong overall brightening and color intensification, like my Color, Contrast and Brightness controls have all been turned up.

Perhaps those effects are not ones you describe as "visuals."

I do agree though, compared to other psychedelic-associated visual these effects are very stable, almost more of a "Video Effect" than hallucinatory.... no objects morphing, no floating demon heads suddenly manifesting, no faces forming out of random patterns, etc. In fact it seems to make all boundaries and outlines far MORE crisp and stable the usual.
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"Video Effect" is a great term for these tracer and color intensification phenomena-- they are largely a simple product of pupil dilation and are fairly consistent across all drugs that cause pupil dilation. These effects can also be noticed right when one wakes up from a groggy sleep and tries to stumble into the bathroom with the lights on. Also noticeable for those of us who have poor night vision and attempt to drive during the night.

Visual effects for the 2C-x drugs for me, seem to occur in the space "between" normal vision and the after-images. That is to say, 2C-x do not alter the way I SEE things. But if I stare long enough and unfocus my eyes, I will begin to get the after-image overlay on top of the actual image, and there will clearly be some differences in the processing of the after-image as it persists in my vision. Leaving the eyes open and unfocused for more than 15 seconds can cause some INTENSE visual patterning, swirling, dripping, etc. But then a single blink will return everything back to "normal vision".
 
greenmeanies said:
"Video Effect" is a great term for these tracer and color intensification phenomena-- they are largely a simple product of pupil dilation and are fairly consistent across all drugs that cause pupil dilation. These effects can also be noticed right when one wakes up from a groggy sleep.
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This is incorrect.

When you go to the eye doctor for an exam and they dilate your pupils, do you start seeing intense strobing tracers everywhere? Does a red stop sign look like it is lit from within or glowing neon under a blacklight? NO.

Pupil dilation turns up "Brightness", nothing more.

The trails, color and edge enhancement are all effects of the psychedelic molecule on the visual processing center inside your brain, and are NOT caused by pupil enlargement. Of this I am 100% certain.
 
^ don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100% on the visual processing center. But I DO get trails, halos, strobing, and tracers while sober in the dark (my night vision has always been bad) and they are very similar if not identical to the "first alert" visuals from most psychedelics for me.

But the ACTUAL visual effects from psychedelics (patterning, swirling, morphing, sparkling) are very much inside the brain, relating to the visual processing center and specific effects of each particular molecule and your own interpretation of the world around you.
 
DwayneHoover said:
HOT-7 (a phenethylamine, yes, by Shulgin).

It is not just a pro-drug of 2-c-t-7

MUCH calmer and gentler and smoother.

EXTREMELY easy, prolific, vivid, detailed, overwhelming CEVs started at 2hr mark. Its like a key that turned on my visual system's Planetarium Projector in "Overdrive" mode.

I was watching a movie when it came on fully. Open eye visuals not much. But with each mere BLINK I would see TONS of rapid bright stuff going on "in there" in just the brief moment when eyes were closed. OK this might be pretty intense...

I had to stop movie, put on music and close my eyes. For 3 hours I was treated to a stunning show... Lots of the time I was flying, zooming all over some alien planet... landscapes, weird rock formations, alien plant jungles... from views way overhead to zooming down into and thru the strange trees... like flying thru some 3D Roger Dean (YES album cover artist) world. This would alternate with sequences of flickering animated abstract geometric designs.

Among the most enjoyable and strong visual experience I ever had on a psychedelic.
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I'm glad someone mentioned HOT-7. I had the pleasure I trying this once many years ago. It's like a calmer more manageable version of 2C-T-7
 
I'm surprised by the lack of mention for 2c-p. Gives magnificent visuals and can be greatly strengthened by as little as 2mg.
 
I have tried 2C-B, 2C-C, 2C-D & 2C-E. I have 2C-P in my stash wating for a tryout in the near future hopefully.

Of the above, 2C-E has been the most visual of them by far. My first and strongest meeting with 2C-E, which was beyond visual, ended up in an ambulance and a night in a hospital. One of my worst, but also one of the best psychedelic trips so far :P

I have had great visuals on 2C-D, especially! >35mg makes flowers and trees swirl and rotate :D 2C-C as well... But not quite as fast. Trails have been most spectacular on 2C-E, 2C-D and 2C-C in that order. I wish I could be more helpful but i need to have more time to "research" and maybe I also need 2C-I for comparement.
(/edit: And the 2C-T-X's of course)

Would recommend 2C-D actually at high enough dose.. I find that very visual!

I have tried 25C-NBOMe @ 1750 µg sublingual which was VERY visual as well, but read that 25D-NBOMe is even more visual, not as potent though(IIRC)

//blazR
 
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I've tried 2c-b,c,e,i,p, and t7. Insufflated 2cb definitely gives the most CEV's for me, but t7, c, and e all can give incredible OEV's. I've yet to insufflate 2cb during the day or in a well lit setting but the OEV's weren't overly intense in the dark
 
2c-p is the most visual of the ones I've tried, and my favorite. Nice layered rainbow OEV's, and complex geometric twisting bulging patterns CEV, but also some very vivid scenery of your mind. 10mg or less produces no body load for me, just a little anxiety during the long come up.
 
IME, and I haven't tried but 2c-b and 2c-e, 2c-e is the more visual though I would like to experience the wide variety of 2c's that are out there. 2c-e was definitely visual for me though. I like the fact that 99% pure stuff (and that milligram scales allow you to control your dose precisely) is accessible which is great compared to the illicit LSD which has varying potency due to its illegality. I do love my lucy though :)
 
out of 2c-t-7, 2c-i, 2c-b.... i find 2c-t-7 to be the most visual by far and the side effects weren't bad at all in my case. the visuals were very intense, particularly colors, as someone said on the other page about paintbrush-like colors, i saw beautiful bright colors swooshing and swirling on blank white walls. second to that from my experience is 2c-b, it's such a clear-headed experience and so easy on the body for me in comparison to some other psychs and the visuals are really beautiful. moving on - i found 2c-i to be quite lacking in the visuals department and it had entirely too many side effects for me (GI distress, some anxiety, definitely too stimulating for my taste).
 
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