TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
I believe I made the earlier comment about OU being TX's bitch, so let me come back to this a bit.
Yes, it could mean many things - our context is primarily football, but it could mean many things.
Thanks for the definition on the word 'majority'. I'd agree HoL overstated it.....but I suppose nobody from OU has ever embellished or exaggerated anything? Certainly not anything related to football. 8)
Nice stats. Post WWII? Selective much
LOL. Nevermind, I see where you got your stats. Care to offer up any similar stats for TX for comparison? You seem to have pretty quick access to such Big12 numbers, and it would prove your point better to show the gap between OU and TX......or would it? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply unaware of TX's comparable stats....nevermind, knowing where you built your statement, here's TX's equivalent.
I believe most of those 'Conference Records' involve OU, no? And for your chest pounding on rankings and season wins....I would say it is tough to argue one team over the other, at least for me.
Coming back to my initial statement of OU being TX's bitch....let me put it to you this way. Who holds the Big12 together? Who was the linchpin in that decision, and who hols the majority of the cards at that poker table? TX. IF TX were to have left the Big12 it would either have folded or been immensley weakened. However, if aTM or OU were to leave and TX remained, the conference would have taken a much less substantial hit. A hit, yes, but not of the same impact. Also, your stats are going back how far?? Remember, most of the people you're talking with here only have awareness going back 10-15 yrs at most; very few can recall the days of Barry Switzer and Barry Sanders, the days of OU-OSU being the Big8 game to watch and wondering "TX who?"
Yes, I'll go along with OU 7NC > TX 4NC, and OU 42ConfChamps > TX 32ConfChamps (does anyone else win that conference....or is it the story everyone holds about USCw and the 9 dwarves?). Hell, checking stats, it appears "all time" winning percentages both schools are http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2008/FBS%20compiled.pdf]damn near equal, same if we just look at the 2000s, and in both cases OU has the slightest of edges. But in the national spotlight, what is the common current impression? OU blows it, TX wins it or at least makes a game of it.
Stat wise, you can make your argument, and depending on who is listening and how much they are willing to swallow without questioning, you can win them over that OU > TX. But I really don't think it's feasible to argue that OU=B12 nearly as much as TX=B12 to the football nation, and that what TX says is what happens in relation to that conference...OU included. While I'd go along with OU and aTM being higher in the B12 pecking order, there is a noticeable perceived gap between them and TX at the top, and then a much huger gap between those three and the rest of the conference - in terms of power. Stats (wins, records, ... 'facts'..., etc) be damned, regardless of the argument the 'facts' present, the belief and continued statement nationally is that TX > OU*.
*I have to concede, part of this fact checking has shown me that over the past 10 yrs OU is 6-4 against TX (only 1-4 in the past 5 yrs, but 7-7-1 over the last 15)....so very recent history is on TX's side, feeding that impression, but the 'facts' don't support that impression. I will comment though, that while OU has won most of the conference championships in the past several years, their failure in BCS games also compounds the impression that TX > OU....'facts' be damned (ie, who got there to even play?).
Yes, it could mean many things - our context is primarily football, but it could mean many things.
Thanks for the definition on the word 'majority'. I'd agree HoL overstated it.....but I suppose nobody from OU has ever embellished or exaggerated anything? Certainly not anything related to football. 8)
Nice stats. Post WWII? Selective much
LOL. Nevermind, I see where you got your stats. Care to offer up any similar stats for TX for comparison? You seem to have pretty quick access to such Big12 numbers, and it would prove your point better to show the gap between OU and TX......or would it? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm simply unaware of TX's comparable stats....nevermind, knowing where you built your statement, here's TX's equivalent.I believe most of those 'Conference Records' involve OU, no? And for your chest pounding on rankings and season wins....I would say it is tough to argue one team over the other, at least for me.
Coming back to my initial statement of OU being TX's bitch....let me put it to you this way. Who holds the Big12 together? Who was the linchpin in that decision, and who hols the majority of the cards at that poker table? TX. IF TX were to have left the Big12 it would either have folded or been immensley weakened. However, if aTM or OU were to leave and TX remained, the conference would have taken a much less substantial hit. A hit, yes, but not of the same impact. Also, your stats are going back how far?? Remember, most of the people you're talking with here only have awareness going back 10-15 yrs at most; very few can recall the days of Barry Switzer and Barry Sanders, the days of OU-OSU being the Big8 game to watch and wondering "TX who?"
Yes, I'll go along with OU 7NC > TX 4NC, and OU 42ConfChamps > TX 32ConfChamps (does anyone else win that conference....or is it the story everyone holds about USCw and the 9 dwarves?). Hell, checking stats, it appears "all time" winning percentages both schools are http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/stats/football_records/DI/2008/FBS%20compiled.pdf]damn near equal, same if we just look at the 2000s, and in both cases OU has the slightest of edges. But in the national spotlight, what is the common current impression? OU blows it, TX wins it or at least makes a game of it.
Stat wise, you can make your argument, and depending on who is listening and how much they are willing to swallow without questioning, you can win them over that OU > TX. But I really don't think it's feasible to argue that OU=B12 nearly as much as TX=B12 to the football nation, and that what TX says is what happens in relation to that conference...OU included. While I'd go along with OU and aTM being higher in the B12 pecking order, there is a noticeable perceived gap between them and TX at the top, and then a much huger gap between those three and the rest of the conference - in terms of power. Stats (wins, records, ... 'facts'..., etc) be damned, regardless of the argument the 'facts' present, the belief and continued statement nationally is that TX > OU*.
*I have to concede, part of this fact checking has shown me that over the past 10 yrs OU is 6-4 against TX (only 1-4 in the past 5 yrs, but 7-7-1 over the last 15)....so very recent history is on TX's side, feeding that impression, but the 'facts' don't support that impression. I will comment though, that while OU has won most of the conference championships in the past several years, their failure in BCS games also compounds the impression that TX > OU....'facts' be damned (ie, who got there to even play?).
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