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What is killing the rave scene in America?

Are you really surprised that PLUR is dead? We live in a society that looks at unselfish love with contempt. And just for all the haters, why should you have to eat ecstasy and acid to have fun at a rave? I go often just drunk as fuck and never send anything but positive vibes out to people. I'm a DJ and obviously dig the music but more often than not just show up to get fucked up and party. What is really wrong with that if you keep it peacefull and lighthearted?
 
Times are changing, people that started, nutured and raised the scene have moved onto to new things.


The reason its dieing is all these new KIDZ that are comming to parties and don't know shit about what came before them, nor do they care. Thats ruining the scene.


And like I said most of (for lack of a better word) "Old Schoolers" have moved on.
 
LACK OF DEVOTION TO THE SCENE. is what's killing Our Scene.(Speaking for Seattle.)

i've been into the rave "scene" since mid-'02. I jsut hate the lack of devotion.......argh, I could go on for hours.
 
The rave scene is more or less dying of old age, and lack of direction. From what I've seen the entire thing has become fragmented, there are so many different types of music, and different types of people that the whole thing is growing chaotic.

Here's the thing though, this is nescessary. To assume that something good will be good and follow a straight line up to infiniti is foolish. Everything in this universe is cyclic, chaos is nescessary to avoid entropy. Right now, the "rave" scene is going through a revolution, and I have the feeling that something new is gonna happen.

What is coming is unknown, personally I think that the psychetrance groups are heading in the right direction. There are groups around the country who are throwing much smaller parties, invite only with the intention of reaching ascention through dance and music. What we're talking about here people is the Religion of Rave.

I prophesize that out of the current world chaos a new movement is going to be born, not a religion based on doctrine, but more of a theosophy based on ideals and principles. Ideas like PLUR... EDM is world wide, it brings people together, and one day we may see it unify us all.

Then again they always said I was a dreamer.
-MOR
 
Its alright at smaller parties

Atlest it is in australia

I think Alot of it has to do with picking your events

If i want to avoid the drunken/violent/tooyoung and too fucked up crowed Ill find an outdoor psytrance/lifestyle event (and there is a very good crew doing this sort of party atm)
If im not so picky about it Ill go to some of the larger events where i know word of the even has kind of spread beyond those who really make the effort to get there

as for indoors Well ive never been and i dont really plan to
 
myownreality said:
The rave scene is more or less dying of old age, and lack of direction. From what I've seen the entire thing has become fragmented, there are so many different types of music, and different types of people that the whole thing is growing chaotic.

-MOR
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Agreed. There are too many styles of music.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing. But what happens is clubs/raves/events will dedicate themselves to a particular style and won't be bold enough to go across genres and take people on a real musical journey. Sure they may have different stages that play different genres but I think great DJ's are those who can successfully mix in many different styles and make it sound great.
 
People taking shit too serious?? I don't know. It always makes me laugh when people describe DnB as having a gangsterish feel to it... especially since I'm living in London right now. The people here crack me up most definatly don't feel ghetto.
 
all the music has moved indoors to clubs. there is an occasional outdoor party here and there, which aren't bad.

i'd rather have it this way though. the raves were a little too out of control towards the end of it's hay day. plus the fact that i'd run into someone siginificantly younger than me all fucked up on who knows what being dumb ass.

i'd just say the scene has matured from what it once was.
 
phactor said:
People taking shit too serious?? I don't know. It always makes me laugh when people describe DnB as having a gangsterish feel to it... especially since I'm living in London right now. The people here crack me up most definatly don't feel ghetto.
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in toronto the dnb scene is completely intertwined with the hip hop scene and cause of that it's full of thuggish wiggers being assholes (the big dnb parties at least)
 
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Its not as bad as here in NZ, but you do get the odd youngster noob holding their bottle of heineken as if theyre waiting to smash it on someones head sort of look..

dr seuss said:
America's collectively short socio-cultural attention span.

:)

drum and bass gangsterism has been part of the british rave scene since... well, since jungle began.
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Very true when I was living in london in the early 90s alot of the jungle massive were mainly crack squats/dens, but was definately a different scene to when the inittial dnb fame started off, alot of the jungle crews were getting into the more twisted dark breaks than the tech step to now dnb blah blah if I make any sense.. But nonetheless dnb+prog house FTW.
 
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^ Exactly, it's like disco; just another phase.

But who knows, maybe it also has to do with changing trends in substances. The rave scene was about MDMA, but nowadays it's meth that's becoming the prevalent drug in many areas.

I blame meth for everything that's wrong in drug-assisted culture.
 
CloudyHazeD said:
The RAVE Act of 2000 sort of scared most promoters off...........
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That was nearly 7 years ago and it's since been defeated in a lot of places.
I think one of the main issues(speaking from experience) is that fact that there is too much competition among promoters and so a lot of events lose money due to too many parties happening on a single night.
 
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