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What is it with guys taking advantage of girls on E?

Xpalafetti said:
You didn't like it because

MDMA and Alcohol Do Not Mix, Infact they even use the same part of the liver so its a nice way to cause great damage.

This isn't true. There's no prima facie reason that alcohol and MDMA combined should cause liver damage.

There's reports around (and indeed I have experienced it myself) of people getting really drunk and then having a pill, and thereafter experiencing a 3 hour memory blank. They suddenly discover themselves somewhere and have no idea what happened in the intervening period. They tend to act really weird too...

This has happened to me, unfortunately =\
 
sorry to go off topic . . .

Wasn't there an article on bluelight awhile ago stating that mdma absorbtion is boosted by like 15-25 % when taken with some alcohol? (like 1-3 drinks)
 
MDMA plasma levels are higher with a few drinks, but a lot of people would argue that's kinda pointless because alcohol destroys the clarity of the MDMA experience.

In any event, pills + alcohol can make people do some really weird things. Also makes for a killer hangover =\
 
I think this is more of a "taking advantage of a girl on alcohol" rather than on E. If it were a true roll, you would have fought with the guy, if it came to that. The typical E trip generally doesn't make you do anything you wouldn't want to do and when something like this happens, typically you become uncomfortable. OR! You wanted to at the time and now that you are sober, you have regrets. Besides the original topic, taking E when you're pretty smashed isn't a good idea.
 
Just incase anyone is looking for support of the ethanol increases the RATE of MDMA absorption ---> here.

Interestingly ethanol doesn't alter bioavailability, i.e. you absorb the same amount of MDMA, you just absorb it a tiny bit faster (although the peak happens at relatively the same time).
 
Plasma levels seem to be higher though... and the effect is longer lasting.

The MDMA-alcohol combination induced longer lasting euphoria and well being than MDMA or alcohol alone.
 
Sorry to hear about your experience ...
Not many guys act like that and a lot less when everyone is full of pills.

Don't let people into your space if they are being arses ... step away cuddle a friend ... but don't let the paranoia take hold ... just tell him plain ... FCUK OFF!

Roll on ;-)
 
How can Swim take advantage of a girl on E when he doesn't know any that take them. Swim thinks that all Brissi girls who take E should come visit.
 
I agree with the majority here. It may not be the best thing for those guys to have done, but you have yourself to blame as well.
 
What is it with girls blaming drugs for the actions of sleezy guys?

How about you drop only with close friends, and not subject yourself to social breeding pits such as clubs?
 
^I don't think clubs are necessarily sleazy places, at least not the trance and hardcore clubs I've been to. I think the fact that most of the patrons are male sets the notion that they are not pickup joints right from the start. While there are some sleazy guys that go to these clubs I'm quite sure they're the minority. I think you should go to different clubs and generally take better care of yourself. This means not getting completely off your head.
 
Saying that she brought it upon herself is on a par with misogynist judges who say that a woman was asking to be raped because she was wearing tight clothing. It's got nothing to do with what people wear, or how drunk they get (as long as they are still capable of making descisions), although in some mens minds, a woman wearing tight clothing is "asking for it". The deciding factor is whether a woman gives consent for a man to indulge in sexual behaviour with her. Regardless of whether they're dressed like a member of a polar expidition, or a pole-dancer in a humid club, the only factor that does count, is that it is consensual behaviour between all persons involved (it's the deciding factor in a legal definition of sexual harrasment, rape etc). If a woman says no, it means no, even if the other person believes that shje had been acting like a prick teaser all night.

For those who've hinted that she shouldn't go out dressed in a provocative manner, consider this scenario:-

You're walking back from a night out, on your own (wearing your best strutting gear), and you ask a couple of blokes what time it is. You're still on the tail end of MDMA, and have a bit chat with them before continuing on.
200 yards down the road, the two blokes suddenly grab you and you're subjected to a multiple homosexual rape. When they are eventually caught, their excuse is thar you were "asking for it", as you'd been wearing what they considered, from a gay man's point of view, very provocative clothing and had been flirting with them a couple of minutes earlier (their interpretation of your very friendly, MDMA induced state).

That's what women have to put up with on a lot more regular basis


Still think it's an acceptable way of seeing women, just because of their attire that night?

iamtha1;
thing is, in the real world, there are men who have no idea as to what is acceptable behaviour, and don't really give a shit about anybody else's opinion once testosterone takes over the brain, so that you've got to be careful not to let them get into a position where they call all the shots (esp. after using any drug that alters the libido), and at certain times, that involves thinking about what sort of direction events might take if more drugs are brought into the situation.

I'm sorry you had to have that sort of shit happen, but keep it in mind next time someone offers you a pill if you're already drunk, so that you can get out of any situation that looks like it might turn nasty
 
Yeah, but the difference here is, fastandbulbous, that she wasn't taken advantage of in any way...
 
fastandbulbous,

Good post! I kept thinking the exact same thing as I was reading through some of the responses in this thread.

BilZ0r said:
Yeah, but the difference here is, fastandbulbous, that she wasn't taken advantage of in any way...
Symbolic variations...

"abused" = Means what?
"taken advantage of" = Means what?

Are you saying that so long as she wasn't "sexually penetrated without permission" than anything else is ok? :\

Let's look at this again, this guy
  • asks to use her cell phone,
  • and then (without permission) obtains that her phone number,
  • and then distributs her phone number to other males,
  • where those males in turn
  • send her unwanted messages
Obviously, these guys were in the right and it was her fault. 8(

Wait! Wait! You don't even need to post a response, I'll do it for you:

"but I didn't say that those guys were in the right, I just said she wasn't taken advantage of..."


And treating someone as a sexual play thing isn't taking advantage of them. Huh?

Sorry, but I don't see "taken advantage of" as a 'secret code word' for "sexually penetrated without permission." :\


I think what today's hetersexual male needs is a new generation of highly aggressive homosexual males, who think that the term "heterosexual" means "virgin."

:D :D :D
 
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Oh no, I was taken advantage of by spammers: they got my email address and distributed it and know I get unwanted emails... RAPE, RAPE, RAPE!!!

The local walmart is taking advantage of me right now, I just saw some-one deliver a flyer into my mailbox without permission... RAPE, RAPE, RAPE!!!!!

Sexual play thing? She got a couple fucking text messages.... RAPE RAPE RAPE!!!!

Jesus fucking christ...

She wasn't taken advantage of, she should have been in full control of her mental faculties... She was lucky the guy didn't just leave with her cell phone, then maybe she could argue that her kindness was taken advantage of.
 
^^ what an heartless, insensitive and unsupportive comment.

fastandbulbous - great post

iamtha1 - I'm very sorry this happened to you. Don't listen to anyone else's shit. Most people are unable to empathise until they have been in similar circumstances...

everyone...lay off the blame bs.
on the issue of the drugs and pills - It is clear that iamtha1 didn't know what she was getting herself into. We've all made mistakes. Everyone I know has gotten in over their heads at least once..even if only with alcohol. Telling her that it is her fault/she deserves because she made a mistake such as this it is just plain wrong.
Even if she had known beforehand that she would get pretty fucked up from that combination, it is still not her *fault* that some jerkoff took advantage of her when she was clearly completely messed up. It's like saying that girls who have a few drinks too many and end up getting date-raped are to blame.

In relation to the fact that she might have been able to tell the guy to go away... i think there are a whole range of emotions that would come into play - embarrassment, confusion, shock, intimidation, to name just a few possibilities - that would also have been enhanced by the pill. Even the usual communication issues may have been a problem if she was this messed up.

And Bilzor, getting unwanted sms messages is an invasion of privacy. She doesn't know where her number will end up. I think that these sms' would have probably been even more upsetting given that her privacy and personal space had already been invaded at the party.

In such sensitive issues, those who haven't had similar experiences but who have hurtful and potentially destructive things to say should refrain from commenting.
It's very likely that you are unable to empathise.
 
When I roll, it's so completely -not- sexual to me that I don't even think about it, or think anything other than that the nice guy talking to me really wants to go to the dark corner to "relax and hear the music better". I've been in a few situations where some random guy was suddenly kissing and groping me, and it takes a few moments to realize just what's going on when in the mindset I'm in when I roll. I've gotten extremely uncomfortable, but for some reason I can't just tell him to back off ( I guess I'm just too nice, especially when I roll. XD ) I think I used the excuse of having to go find my friend once, then hid from one guy all night, lol. But anyways, it's easy to get into situations like that, especially when rolling. Now when I go to clubs and whatnot, I make sure I'm always with a friend, and stay extremely wary of guys who get friendly with me. I also tend to keep to myself, usually only talking to the small group of friends I'm with to stay out of trouble and to keep unwanted advances away.

This is one of the big reasons I'm starting to not like rolling at events. I'd much rather just sit back and relax at home, with a few trusted friends and be myself. Unfortunately, I have to buy pills at parties, and can't just go out and pick some up for a night at home. :\
 
Date rape is not the same as giving someone your phone, and then getting txt messages... they are a completely different magnitude... this is an invasion of privacy on the same level as junk mail and spam.

Maybe if society didn't support unrealistic expectations so often, people wouldn't make such dumb mistakes all the time.

It's a shame that girls (and men) can't walk through bad neighbourhoods by themselves at night, and they don't deserve bad things to happen to them if they do, but they were still dumb bastards if they do and bad shit happens to them. And afterwards, you don't go around telling everyone "no, it's okay to walk around in bad neighbourhoods at night, it wasn't your fault".
 
well, i think she was taken advantage of to a certain extent because she was inebriated even though she wasn't raped. i mean, i've taken advantage of people who were fucked up and got this kid to pay me and all my friends money for no fucking reason. i definitely didn't rape him, but i definitely think i took advantage of his vulnerable state and i think he'd agree too.
 
I don't think the entire issue of being taken advantage of is just the unwanted text messages. The girl also stated:

After that, things got a bit messy. Once I was rolling, this guy who had kind of been around the whole night, suddenly moved in and cornered me at moments to try and kiss me. When I was drunk I could resist, then suddenly I was fucked and I didnt even remember how the hell I had ended up being with him. So he hung around the whole time, making me extremely paranoid because I just wanted to get rid of him.

Alright, so there's a random guy hanging around her all night, trying to get her alone and kiss her and whatever. When yer fucked up, it's not that hard for someone else to see that. Thus with this guy persistantly trying to corner her, I'd say that he was trying to take advantage of her fuckedupness.

Another thing she said:
Me and my friends were discussing that by the end of the night, it was so bad being a girl dancing because you couldn't even accidentally focus on a guy without them thinking there was a chance.

I take this at hinting that while she was dancing, minding her own business, having a good time, etc etc random guys she accidentally made eye contact with or happened to glance in their direction took it upon themselves to get close to her and "dance"... which we all know is akin to having sex on the dancefloor when someone joins you, for the most part. :|

Anyways, I know this is just my interpretation based on personal experiences and what she wrote originally. By all means, I could be wrong about what actually happened with her that night, but this is how I see things with what was posted. *shrugs*
 
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