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What is better in the end MDMA or Alcohol or Cannabis?

my advice is, if u have to get intoxicated with any of listed substances every weekend, try to keep it to weed as much as possible. a couple beers with your pot now and then probably won't hurt (unless they eventually lead to an addiction :D). as for x I'd keep it to, as a rule of thumb, no more frequent than once a month, as I do myself with "straight" empathogens as a whole. Done more often, they don't feel safe to me, due to potential to cause mental problems.
 
people can develop anxiety disorders from smoking pot.

Right, anything used to an extreme is not good. Even cannabis. The studies point to some possible issues with cannabis with some mood disorder (eg paranoia / schizophrenia), memory issues, maybe depression, etc. The studies are rather fuzzy at this point (cannabis is not nearly as well studied as alcohol), of course. But it's possible. I've known heavy smokers with these type of issues.

It may not be the drug, of course. But all moderate smokers of cannabis I've met, you'd never know it unless they toke up in front of you.
 
Just keep smoking pot, man. She is a beautiful thing and will NEVER do you wrong.

Not true. I developed pretty bad anxiety from smoking way too much the past 2 years to the point where I was put on xanax for a brief time. Then again, all it took was just spacing out my smoke sessions more and not smoking all day everyday.
 
My abuse of MDMA left me more damaged than any drug I have ever done (I haven't even used it for six years). Most of this site is very pro-MDMA and doesn't seem to think it is bad at all, but my personal experience tells a very different story.

Honestly, I don't even think your drug use is that bad at all tbh
 
Funny how you think mdma is so bad but despite all the evidence and anecdotes on just how awfully dangerous and ridiculous synthed cannabinoids are you have no problem smoking yourself retarded then proceed to post innate shit ALL over the forums on this discussion board.

Youve interesting views logan. Indeed.
 
Cannabis is by far the safest of these three. This does not mean that you can be careless with pot though. It is important to understand how it affects you. Some people smoke every single day with no negative effects while others can take one puff and suffer a panic attack. If you get paranoid and anxious on weed, it's best to limit your use. If you respond very well to weed, regular use can be fine.

With mdma and alcohol, the risks are tied to how much and how often you use them. For mdma, once every other month is the best way to use it. Some people get away with monthly use but I would be reluctant to use it that much. Alcohol can be used more often, maybe once a week or so. That being said, the complications from heavy alcohol use in terms of both chronic and acute toxicity are much worse. It's much more common to become addicted and dependent to alcohol than mdma. I'm not a huge fan of alcohol, and really only drink it because it is so common. It's ok, but if I had to choose between mdma every two months or alcohol every weekend, I will pick the mdma. For me, it is a far more enjoyable and beneficial experience.

Really, all three of these drugs can be enjoyed and serve to improve your life, if you use them responsibly. This means knowing yourself, knowing your substance, knowing your source, and knowing your science. Irresponsible use of any of these can be detrimental to your well being and the well being of those around you, but there is a much greater margin for error with weed. Overdosing is impossible, the side effects are usually minimal compared to the other two drugs, and it can potentially be practical even with daily use.
 
My abuse of MDMA left me more damaged than any drug I have ever done (I haven't even used it for six years). Most of this site is very pro-MDMA and doesn't seem to think it is bad at all, but my personal experience tells a very different story.

Hey, you don't have to answer this publicly or at all, but did your whole experience with MDMA leave you with any symptoms of being bi-polar? More angry and/or more depressive than you were before you touched MDMA?

I only ask because I had a dear friend who completely abused MDMA and ecstasy, and he attributed those symptoms to damage he'd done to himself with the drug. He especially had an anger problem he hadn't before.
 
Cannabis is by far the safest of these three. This does not mean that you can be careless with pot though. It is important to understand how it affects you. Some people smoke every single day with no negative effects while others can take one puff and suffer a panic attack. If you get paranoid and anxious on weed, it's best to limit your use. If you respond very well to weed, regular use can be fine.

With mdma and alcohol, the risks are tied to how much and how often you use them. For mdma, once every other month is the best way to use it. Some people get away with monthly use but I would be reluctant to use it that much. Alcohol can be used more often, maybe once a week or so. That being said, the complications from heavy alcohol use in terms of both chronic and acute toxicity are much worse. It's much more common to become addicted and dependent to alcohol than mdma. I'm not a huge fan of alcohol, and really only drink it because it is so common. It's ok, but if I had to choose between mdma every two months or alcohol every weekend, I will pick the mdma. For me, it is a far more enjoyable and beneficial experience.

Really, all three of these drugs can be enjoyed and serve to improve your life, if you use them responsibly. This means knowing yourself, knowing your substance, knowing your source, and knowing your science. Irresponsible use of any of these can be detrimental to your well being and the well being of those around you, but there is a much greater margin for error with weed. Overdosing is impossible, the side effects are usually minimal compared to the other two drugs, and it can potentially be practical even with daily use.

This is absolutely true. Some long-term heavy pot smokers end up with permanent short-term memory problems. It may not be as harmful as some other drugs are, but it's still not this harmless herb in which some pro-pot people claim that it is. It's somewhat harmful.
 
This is absolutely true. Some long-term heavy pot smokers end up with permanent short-term memory problems. It may not be as harmful as some other drugs are, but it's still not this harmless herb in which some pro-pot people claim that it is. It's somewhat harmful.

“There is no convincing evidence that heavy long-term marijuana use permanently impairs memory or other cognitive functions.” - Time.com from the journal "Addiction"

Basically, once the drug is gone and flushed out of your body, post-heavy stoners are indistinguishable from non-smokers on an array of memory and cognitive tests, this has been re-tested and peer reviewed. It does affect short-term memory while you are on the drug, and while it's still in your system.

So you learn something new everyday Elven Warrior. Don't repeat the false claim on the boards again.
 
^well said Holmes, but he's gonna spread anti-drug propaganda wherever he goes. Just how the Elven Warrior rolls...
 
Well I'm a westerner. Booze is acceptable and ritually mandated certain times of the year. MDMA is a lot more fun, and stoners are better off physically than drunks but, booze is what I'd pick. Though it would be awesome to have a Christmas roll with my dad, or to get to know the new neighbors, booze fills that role.
 
Elven Warrior is the new Centre era round 07-09.

Probably is Centre under his new account.

Dont look too nuch into his posts without cross-referencing for affirmation, everbody. He clearly knows dick all.
 
Okay, but now I know that marijuana's damages to the cognitive abilities is reversible and they're only temporary.


I don't know @twotoomany, I just flipped this kids position on weed in one post, maybe the rest of you just don't know how to school a kid these days. He went from "permanent short-term memory problems" to acknowledging it's been found to be only "temporary reversible problems" concerning memory/cognition. Which is true.

No one ever changes positions on forums in a debate.. rarely happens. Give him some credit. Although if he didn't just agree with me in his last post I'd be calling him a little fucker instead...
 
Enough of your childish insults twotoomany; I don't think you've been here long enough to realize what we're about. The user in question clearly wrote a more objective post than yours, far from being "anti-drug propaganda". Debate is what makes bluelight meaningful.

I don't usually post wiki links, but this entry seems to be pretty well-written and sourced
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis

As is typical with current knowledge of the brain, we simply can't say one way or another.
 
^well said Holmes, but he's gonna spread anti-drug propaganda wherever he goes. Just how the Elven Warrior rolls...
Hahaha exactly shouldve been anti drug warrior or something like that
Elven Warrior is the new Centre era round 07-09.

Probably is Centre under his new account.

Dont look too nuch into his posts without cross-referencing for affirmation, everbody. He clearly knows dick all.

Understatement, Mr eleven warrior has never used any mind altering substance, yet he reads alot of propaganda filled articles and lol dailyfail articles,uses them as source, doesnt accept anything when proven wrong (see alcohol vs drug thread, from the beggining) and uses tactics such as changing the subject in the next post and then coming back again and repeating the same shit sometimes for multiple times,even when proven wrong by several other members. Also, mr Elven warrior thinks he is always right, and i quote him it was something like ()doing drugs is stupid and dangerous i will never do that(), by which he implies most of this community is stupid,and that he is so much smarter than and above us. When something doesnt please his highness, he ignores it and throws in another false statement,or repeats the same one.

The only instance ive seen him change his mind is the posts above aboutr weed. Though in his head heroin is very neurotoxic, and Ice is as physically addictive as alcohol. He is either a troll, or someone so bored and stubborn that he wastes alot of time coming up with this shit, pissing people off on the way. I think we should all ignore his further posts, why should we try to reason with a wall?

EDIT : in response to the op's thread i think youre better off with weed. Alcohol is ok if you dont abuse it, it really depends on people. Mdma imo is the one that does damage faster then the others. Eat E everyday for a week and your fucked for a good few months after that. Binge drink everyday for a week, the effects are gonna be alot less wrose and goona go away alot faster. Smoke weed everyday for a week and it really wont do anything remoetely bad. BE careful with weed though,if you smoke everyday for years it can completly fuck up an individuals motivation and can eventually lead somebody to be anxious and paranoid if abused.
 
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Hey, you don't have to answer this publicly or at all, but did your whole experience with MDMA leave you with any symptoms of being bi-polar? More angry and/or more depressive than you were before you touched MDMA?

I only ask because I had a dear friend who completely abused MDMA and ecstasy, and he attributed those symptoms to damage he'd done to himself with the drug. He especially had an anger problem he hadn't before.

Yes. Also extreme loss of short-term memory (loosing my keys, i.d., wallet all the time).
 
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