What Is A Speedball?

[narutokun]

You already declared that the argument that a speedball is just H+C is wrong

Lol, seriously, you can't be so retarded. Or maybe you can, whatever.

Why do you eaven keep posting?

I've been asking that to myself, doing this is like talking to a wall.

 

[Khadijah]

Lol, seriously, you can't be so retarded. Or maybe you can, whatever.

I've been asking that to myself, doing this is like talking to a wall.

Yea, and youre the fuckin wall .

Just admit that the only drug knowledge you have is completely technical and not real life experience, and we can get all this bullshit outta the way. Its like youre sittin there at a table in your house where no one ever comes over having a little drug tea party where you can make up fun names for whatever you want. "Meth and MDMA? I think well call it "Speedrolling!" And ketamine with LSD, I think "Rainbow Frosted Special K" sounds good! What do you think Mr. Cuddles The Kitty? You think thats a great name for it too? Great ! Then Pass the Rainbow Frosted K's, teehee! "

Yes, you can call it whatever you want. But that dont mean that that is what it is. And it dont mean that anybody but you is gonna know what you are talkin about, or take you serious in any way. Go head, The next time you see a real, live drug user, that aint on the internet, go ask them if they got anything to speedball with. See what they say. Yea I got a coke guy downtown and dope guy on the westside. "Oh, no man, i meant meth and oxys.. Know where to get that?" Youll look like a fuckin raging dumbass with a hardon for wrong information, or a extremely dumb informant. Either one will get you far. Whether or not you want to admit it a huge portion of the drug world is casual, and involves slang. it involves people who leave their computers and go out and learn things about drug use and drug culture by doing it and having experience, so they know, from tried and true reality. Your reality is in your mind. That dont compete too well with REAL reality, ya know the one that actually exists. Youre like a kid that wasnt even there in the 60's who says "NO! They called pot OPIUM in the 60's! They did! I know they did, even if i wasnt there, and its wrong, and its only made up in my head!"

 

[lyXw33d]

The "YoU WAnnA StArT SuM ShyT wiT LaCeyK?" posts/threads that she starts....they never get old....

Please, just leave bl and never come back.

 

[MobiusDick]

Reasons for use of cetyl alcohol and IPA

First of all why would you use isopropyl alchol and cetyl alcohol for preparing a shot?

IPA is known to be harmfull when ingested. I wouldn't want to IV it.

Cetyl alcohol seems eaven worse substance to put in your veins. It's a surfactant used in shampoos and it's also employed as a lubricant for nuts and bolts.

All the substances you listed, not including pentobarbital, are HCl salts as well (though pharmaceutical fentabyl for IV use is always a citrte). Why would only heroin HCl basify? And eaven if it did the cetyl alcohol (as an emulsifier) might be able to keep the freebase dissolved in the emulsion.

pentobarbital free acid is water soluble. There's no need for ethanol. Instead of thee free acid the IV preparations are made with the sodium salt of pentobarbital, which is basic. I believe you mean that sodium pentobarbital causes heroin basify and precipitate.

Could you please explain further?

Cetyl alcohol is a common component of iv solutions because, as you said, it acts as surfactant, and this is an effect that helps get some of the more hydrophobic drugs into solution. As far as IPA, I use it in place of ethyl alcohol because the ethanol in my lab is denatured, and while I could obtain absolute EtOH that has not been denatured , the cost is absurd and I have on several occasions ordered ethanol that was supposed to be absolute, and have come to find out that it has been denatured.

In the amounts I am talking about for both IPA and cetyl alcohol, (2.5%/2.5% in 95% water), neither of these alcohols is going to harm you. I am far more concerned about denatured ethanol. Here is a list of what it contains:
COMPONENT: ETHYL ALCOHOL PERCENT: 85.4-92.2
COMPONENT: METHYL ALCOHOL PERCENT: 3.6
COMPONENT: METHYL ISOBUTYL KETONE PERCENT: 1.9
COMPONENT: ETHYL ACETATE PERCENT: 1.3
COMPONENT: TOLUENE PERCENT: 0.8
COMPONENT: SOLVENT NAPHTHA PERCENT: 0.72-0.74
COMPONENT: ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL PERCENT: 25 PPM
COMPONENT: ACETALDEHYDE PERCENT: 10 PPM
COMPONENT: ACETONE PERCENT: 2 PPM
COMPONENT: BENZENE PERCENT: <1 PPM

The exposure limits for IPA are not that different from EtOH according to OSHA. Fentanyl HCl goes into solution very well and stays there by heating in a 95/2.5/2.5 mixture of H20, IPA, Cetyl Alcohol and stays in solution in the 25-50 mg/ml range (yes mgs and not micrograms.) I have worked on this for some time and found this to be satisfactory without any problems at the injection site.

When using brand Nembutal (Na pentobarbital solution), each mL contains:
Pentobarbital Sodium ...................................................... 50 mg
Propylene glycol ............................................... 40% v/v
Alcohol.................................................................... 10%
Water for Injection...................................................... qs
(pH adjusted to approximately 9.5 with hydrochloric acid and/or sodium hydroxide.)

As far as the second part of your question, I am talking about the sodium salt of the barbiturate (Nembutal brand), which is a base (adjusted to pH 9.5), causing the heroin base to precipitate, assuming you are starting of with a salt of heroin like HCl. It is suggested to always look for precipitants in Nembutal solution. Based on the most common method of morphine extraction from poppies (The Thiboumery and Mohr Process or TMP), morphine base will precipitate at pH 9.85 or less. I do not have an exact pH at which heroin base precipitates out at, but it does so at a higher pH than that of the Nembutal. I have always ended up with a precipitate when mixing the two in the same syringe. Also, when mixing these two drugs or any opioids with Nembutal in separate syringes, I recommend always doing the opioid first because of the hyperalgesia caused by the barbiturate; otherwise, the opioid shot is incredibly painful compared to a regular injection when done afterwards. With fentanyl, you do not get a precipitate when mixing it with Nembutal.

The alcohols also likely help solvate the cocaine analogue too as these phenyltropanes tend to form the freebase as well at pH 9.5 or higher.

MobiusDick

 

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Catch LivingOnValium frenzying in OD

 

[narutokun]

The "YoU WAnnA StArT SuM ShyT wiT LaCeyK?" posts/threads that she starts....they never get old....

Please, just leave bl and never come back.

I haven't been around for that long but from what I heard recently I agree with lyXw33d

 

[sixpartseven]

nobody seems to have a problem callin shit what it is when it come to things like that, So why does everybody use speedball like its some kind of generic term for any kind of up + down drug combo?

Ill tell you exactly why. It makes them seem more hardcore when they say they are doin a speedball, because the word speedball is associated with the idea of being the unholy grail of drug use. Its that combo that everyone is scared of and mystified by, so it puts someone in that upper strata of elite drug usage when they say they have done a speedball, even if it was only ritalin and xanax mixed in a line they sniffed.

Personally, I agree with you Lacey K. If someone actually does say it for the above reason, well, thats just pathetic.

 

[center]

The "YoU WAnnA StArT SuM ShyT wiT LaCeyK?" posts/threads that she starts....they never get old....

Please, just leave bl and never come back.

Do it like Lacey K, LIKE IT AIN'T NO THANG!

" DOES ANYBODY GOT A ROCK IN THIS MOTHER FUCKER? "

 

[narutokun]

Do it like Lacey K, LIKE IT AIN'T NO THANG!

" DOES ANYBODY GOT A ROCK IN THIS MOTHER FUCKER? "

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111 FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!1111
LIKE IT AIN'T NO THANG!!!!!!1

 

[Khadijah]

^^Listen you brilliant drug scholar you.....your ignorance speaks for itself. Laugh at me all you want, but you are wrong. You completely fail to make any valid points, everybody in this forum with any sense thinks youre a dumbass, and you make a fool out of yourself with everything ive seen you post so far. If laughin at me makes you feel better, go right ahead, but youre still gonna be a ignorant douchebag who refuses to listen to truth or reason.

 

[narutokun]

^LOL!!!!!11 Are you looking yourself in the mirror as you post this?!!!
And yeah i was laughing so hard here i was actually crying lmao.
SHIT wtf am I gonna do now that I'm ignorant?!!!1
Oh wait! this is another "wanna start sum shiat wit laceyk" thread!!

 

[Khadijah]

this is like some kind of weird twilight zone now. Yes, you are ignorant. Somebody who has facts presented to them and ignores them , not only ignoring them but denying them, is ignorant. you woulda fit in great in the days of "the world is flat." 8)

 

[narutokun]

this is like some kind of weird twilight zone now. Yes, you are ignorant. Somebody who has facts presented to them and ignores them , not only ignoring them but denying them, is ignorant. you woulda fit in great in the days of "the world is flat." 8)

LMAO THAT truly proves it you can't interpret what you read afterall!!! gratz

 

[Morphinator]

Traditionally, morphine OR heroin with cocaine is a speedball. It isn't just heroin + cocaine, though it is the most common.

Morphine - Heroin - Cocaine = "Cotton Brothers"...


And Theodore, the difference between IV morphine and heroin is minimal - the only difference is a more rapid BBB penetration and the difference in time is milliseconds. Heroin is an INACTIVE substance, it is the morphine which gets you feelin' groovy. Any "huge" difference you talk of is subjective and varies from person to person. We have people on here that even think IV codeine is the best (elektra). Go figure.

 

[Khadijah]

LMAO THAT truly proves it you can't interpret what you read afterall!!! gratz

Wow, im gettin a sudden flashback to second grade. Ahhh......Its true, the "No Im not, YOU are" defense is a classic.

 

[narutokun]

Wow, im gettin a sudden flashback to second grade. Ahhh......Its true, the "No Im not, YOU are" defense is a classic.

that's not a defense, because i'm not "fighting" with anyone here LOL, I've been simply posting and letting you make a fool of yourself, you're fighting with yourself! let everyone read what I posted and read you're saying i'm denying and ignoring. (don't go back and edit it out will make you look even more stupid!). Somehow I'd have to thank you for making me laugh so hard lol! but I won't be doing that lol. If you even re-read my posts on this thread and could interpret them you could have made less of a fool out of yourself, instead you simply went on ragging about all other kinds of shitZ! I guess in the end one cannot really reason with a lacey k! after all IT AIN'T NO THANG!

 

[Khadijah]

that's not a defense, because i'm not "fighting" with anyone here LOL, I've been simply posting and letting you make a fool of yourself, you're fighting with yourself! let everyone read what I posted and read you're saying i'm denying and ignoring. (don't go back and edit it out will make you look even more stupid!). Somehow I'd have to thank you for making me laugh so hard lol! but I won't be doing that lol. If you even re-read my posts on this thread and could interpret them you could have made less of a fool out of yourself, instead you simply went on ragging about all other kinds of shitZ! I guess in the end one cannot really reason with a lacey k! after all IT AIN'T NO THANG!

What the hell are you talkin about man. You are saying that a speedball is a term to use for whatever combination of drug you want. Im saying you can call it whatever you want, but its still not gonna be a speedball if it aint a real speedball. and that people in real life who speedball do not use that term to mean anything but what it is, unless they are ignorant, like yourself. Where is the problem? Where am i fighting with myself? Last time i checked, I agree with myself. You are the one posting back and arguing. I am responding to your posts, but its startin to get like tellin Grandpa with alzheimers where he lives and who his kids are every 15 seconds, so its gettin a little tiring. Since you are so hell bent on being right, Im join up with IForgett and let you continue to live in your self deluded world, which im sure you will take as meaning that you "won" so have fun with that. youre like a special ed kid. have fun with your pudding cup. There is a reason that you are greatly disliked on this board and its because of shit like this. Take care.

 

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I say we all quit being dirty anal lame ass twats and agree to disagree.

In before close, this thread has "run it's course".

 

[narutokun]

What the hell are you talkin about man. You are saying that a speedball is a term to use for whatever combination of drug you want. Im saying you can call it whatever you want, but its still not gonna be a speedball if it aint a real speedball. and that people in real life who speedball do not use that term to mean anything but what it is, unless they are ignorant, like yourself. Where is the problem? Where am i fighting with myself? Last time i checked, I agree with myself. You are the one posting back and arguing. I am responding to your posts, but its startin to get like tellin Grandpa with alzheimers where he lives and who his kids are every 15 seconds, so its gettin a little tiring. Since you are so hell bent on being right, Im join up with IForgett and let you continue to live in your self deluded world, which im sure you will take as meaning that you "won" so have fun with that. youre like a special ed kid. have fun with your pudding cup. There is a reason that you are greatly disliked on this board and its because of shit like this. Take care.

I'm not greatly disliked on this board. I have nothing personal against anyone either, I already told you to read over the thread and see if you think that you are being coherent, I never denied anything, that's why I'm saying, no offense really, that you can't read ffs. Try re-reading the entire thread. You'll see you have no reason in your arguments, you're just making stuff up saying that I said this and that. Trying to flame me saying that ppl don't like me? Giving me a "bad rep"? Spare me please.
I was holding back from saying this, but all in all I can't say how much I deeply regret having spent time posting things directly to you, since in my conception you're just some crack whore.

 

[narutokun]

In before close, this thread has "run it's course".

B9 now? lol