What is a Good Salvia trip like

[ColtDan]

when i first broke through on DMT, i came back and i had this strange nostalgic Deja-Vu feeling. perhaps as our brains grow and we start to become aware its like one massive trip that we forget about

 

[DwayneHoover]

I felt more like I am an existence that has been around for eternity, but looping in and out of "lives", and losing all memory of this "eternity" each time I am "reset".

When in this "eternal mind set" I definitely experience the Deja Vu and Nostalgia at the same time.
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Now the question is- does this actually have any true meaning or is it purely another aspect of a chaotic trip? There's no telling.

I do believe that my existence on Earth is not an "accident" though.

"an existence that has been around for eternity, but looping in and out of 'lives'"

Very elegantly put.. exactly. Some say the message of the DMT experience is that THERE IS ONLY ONE CONSCIOUSNESS, we are all different "windows" of the same ONE MIND as it looks out into the 3D Time-Bound version of its "body" or maybe its "Dream".

Or perhaps there is a relation to the Hindu vision of reincarnation, and ultimately ALL of reality being 'Maya', some grand illusion being had by ONE primordial God-Mind.

Or perhaps to the Gnostic Christian concept that our Universe is just some sub-reality, governed by a deluded and egotistical god-figure, "The Demiurge", essentially "Jaweh", the God of the Old Testement, that was created sort of accidentally and careened off on its own within the consciousness of Sophia ("Wisdom"), the ultimate godhead, who is really sort of dreaming our universe and all sorts of other ones inside her mind, and is in fact the original eternal primordial "One Mind"

I agree that there is a sense of the "Human Life Passage" being some very important "teaching"experience of some kind.

The similarity of the Salvia Deja-Vu seems just too significant to just be some drug-induced random meaningless thought squiggle... too related to the above and many other "deep thoughts' that cultures and individuals have had throught history.

I've posted this other places before, but I'll re-post it here... to get some more specific reactions.... it is similar in numerous ways to a salvia trip feelings we are discussing, IMO. The first time I saw this on TV, then read to full text, I experienced almost that same uncanny sense of combined nostalgia & Deja-Vu I do on Salvia! Like Twain was somehow, impossibly, putting voice to something I had really known at and since birth, but had since somehow forgotten, of which he was now reminding me:

No. 44, the Mysterious Stranger: Being an Ancient Tale Found in a Jug and Freely Translated from the Jug. , by Mark Twain

Ever since I stumbled across an exquisitely beautiful film version of this simply called "The Mysterious Stranger" on HBO's "After School" film series many many years ago, staring Lance Kerwin and Chris Makepeace, I fell in love with this story.

Be sure to read "Satan''s startling exiting monologue which ends the book, indented below.

Based on all my many LSD, Mushroom, 5-Meo-DMT and Salvia trips, apparently this quirky frizzy white haired cigar smoking smart alec, this Mark Twain, this Samuel Clemens was singularly gifted among all other authors ever to walk the Earth with what I have always intuitively felt since first reading it, was very probably the true explanation for Life, The Universe and Everything.

Its just an amazing thing having been written by that crochety old man so long ago, in his final book before he died, in multiple unfinished versions, that still gives me goosebumps everytime I read it to this very day. Note the connection to altered, drug-induced states of Consciousness, which Twain implies is alcohol, but that I strongly suspect was really some psychedelic he encountered in India or Asia or South America, or the American Southwest, recast as "The Jug" so the vast majority or readers would have SOME comprehension of the state of consciousness from which it arose (and having zero knowledge of "tripping" or "hallucinogens" etc. way back in the early 1900s.

From Wikipedia:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Stranger)

The third version, called No. 44, the Mysterious Stranger: Being an Ancient Tale Found in a Jug and Freely Translated from the Jug, returns to Medieval Austria and tells of No. 44's mysterious appearance at the door of a print shop and his use of heavenly powers to expose the futility of mankind's existence. This version also introduces an idea Twain was toying with at the end of his life involving a duality of the "self", one being the "Waking Self" and the other being the "Dream Self". Twain explores these ideas through the use of "Duplicates", copies of the print shop workers made by No. 44. This version contains an actual ending, however the version is not considered as complete as Twain would have intended:

In 1590 a few boys are living happy sheltered lives in a remote Austrian village named Eseldorf. (Esel means "donkey" in German and can refer to a stupid or ignorant person, and "dorf" means village, so in essence it is a village of stupid people.) The story is narrated by one of the boys—Theodor, the village organist's son—in a first-person narrative. One day, a handsome teenage boy named Satan appears in the village. He explains that he is an angel and the nephew of the fallen angel Satan. Young Satan performs several magical feats. He claims to be able to foresee the future and informs the group of unfortunate events that will soon befall those they care about. The boys don't believe Satan's claims until one of his predictions comes true. Satan proceeds to describe further tragedies that will befall their friends. The boys beg Satan to intercede. Satan agrees, but operates under the technical definition of mercy. For instance, instead of a lingering death due to illness, Satan simply causes one of Theodor's friends to die immediately.

Mayhem ensues — witch trials, burnings, hangings, deaths and mass hysteria. Satan vanishes with a brief explanation:

"In a little while you will be alone in shoreless space, to wander its limitless solitudes without friend or comrade forever--for you will remain a thought, the only existent thought, and by your nature inextinguishable, indestructible. But I, your poor servant, have revealed you to yourself and set you free. Dream other dreams, and better!

"Strange! that you should not have suspected years ago - centuries, ages, eons, ago! - for you have existed, companionless, through all the eternities.

Strange, indeed, that you should not have suspected that your universe and its contents were only dreams, visions, fiction! Strange, because they are so frankly and hysterically insane - like all dreams: a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones; who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short; who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it; who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body; who mouths justice and invented hell - mouths mercy and invented hell - mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell; who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself; and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him! . . .

You perceive, now, that these things are all impossible except in a dream. You perceive that they are pure and puerile insanities, the silly creations of an imagination that is not conscious of its freaks - in a word, that they are a dream, and you the maker of it. The dream-marks are all present; you should have recognized them earlier.

It is true, that which I have revealed to you; there is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream - a grotesque and foolish dream. Nothing exists but you. And you are but a thought - a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!"​

 

[interplanetary]

its not a trip like most other things. its too intense and strong and quick to really have a trip aspect. youre just fucking blasted in the head, especially with the right method- torch lighter and bong, with high extract.

just be in a soft place.

A comfortable environment is highly advised. Every experience that I've had in an intentionally bad setting turned out not-so-surpringly enough, bad.

I will say that a successful administration leads to a weird, come-up that happens in a matter of second -- whilst still exhaling -- then it feels like someone just knocked you out without any pain on impact.

Just complete loss of consciousness transcending into a forever-revolving, organic universe composed of an infinitely complex geometry -- oiling odd-shaped gears of some unknown order.

It is like hippie crack -- senseless and non-addictive.

 

[smellytim]

I have never smoked a moderate dose, only about half a gram of 30X in one hit, but from the parts i recall there is no ability to comprehend anything at all, much less whether or not its good or bad. I took as big of a hit as i possibly could out of a bong, and immediately forgot everything. I forgot i had smoked salvia, i forgot who i was, i forgot i had even existed. I was a stamp in a machine continues slamming down on a conveyor belt of nothing. Out of all these moving parts, nothing was connected. Everything was just part of the bigger whole and basically floating, however orderly. I had a very brief thought that i must have died, however i didn't understand the concept of death or life, or anything. However i have a slight memory of a sense of fear or doom, feeling a sense of "forever". I guess i started coming down, and as quickly as i had awakened there, something happened and again i lost my memory. I ended up in a half memory half dream world, where i had a VERY strong sense of nostalgia. I am convinced i was inside a memory or dream or both from when i was VERY young. At one point, i go out through a front yard and walk up to a moving truck in the road, i am hopping up onto the back of it when i look in and there is an exact replica of the basement i was in where i had originally smoked the saliva, although at this point in the trip i still don't remember anything and i only see the basement in the back of the truck as familiar, but not my own. As i jump in i immediately become PART of the couch. I am stuck in a weird position and cant move, when a few faces appear in front of me floating, without bodies, heads in the shape of upside down rain drops. There are laughing hysterically while looking at me and speaking gibberish. I am severely freaked out as this point, as they slowly morph into people with bodies and whatnot. The walls of the truck explode as my basement fully reappears, and finally i am able to move. I instantly sprint over to my stairs and look up them, because i still have absolutely no idea what happened and want to see that i am actually in my basement. It is not until i go back over to the couch and sit down that "salvia" and "trip" pop into my head and i head a huge sense of relief. My friends (the faces which had been laughing at me) explained what they saw me doing in the real world and i slowly remembered aspects of the trip.

If you want to call this spiritual or whatever go for it, it may have changed me but i still don't know how. All i know is it will be a while before i have a desire to smoke salvia again, if ever. And this was well over a year ago.



I can NOT stress nearly enough remotely how intense this is, and just how literally you DONT know you are tirpping, you dont know ANYTHING. Its just terror in its most pure form.

i hate to quote your whole thing but it was really all exactly spot on. like exactly how i would describe salvia. fucking freaky. and hilariously it looks like im the 3rd or so person to say this.

after having such an awful/terrifying/intense trip i dunno if i can really go back into salvia (similar to you this was my last trip on salvia - a few years ago). i do sort of want to go back in though- to try to make sense of it? if thats even possible.

 

[knock]

I don't partake of Salvia that often. It's always enjoyable, i.e. completely unsettling in a way that reminds me that the universe and its contents are very strange indeed and we really know absolutely nothing.

There was the time I became a crow and started making crowing noises while we were sitting round the kitchen table smoking plain leaf. Seemed to last a long time, when I slowly came round I was in absolute uncontrollable laughter, as was everyone else, and I was foaming at the mouth. It was fantastic, it really seemed like I'd become a crow. Or maybe it was a chicken, I'm not sure.

Mostly I chew leaf though, I get a sensation that things are changing in my skin and body and I realise that I've been here before and actually it's always like this (whatever this is), and it's always a bit shocking. Everything gets a bit like Alice in Wonderland or some Grimm's fairy tale, magic and witchcraft become real possibilities but the knowledge that things will never be the same again is always a bit scary; that feeling normally wears off after a few days of continuing astonishment.

I'm afraid I've never had a fully imerssive experience like I imagine you get with extract, to be honest I don't know if it's necessary, with chewed plain leaf it's like part of you is in that other world but you are still attached to this one. I have been brought to tears with one leaf in my mouth begging Lady Salvia to spare me my sanity.

I should really visit more often.

 

[farmaz]

There was the time I became a crow and started making crowing noises while we were sitting round the kitchen

LMAO

i gave some to a mate once who said he was some proper Shulgin/dr john lilly/terrance mckenna kinda guy. He began to make these weird gut roaring noises like a lion thats drunk.

 

[farmaz]

how come salvia is not banned btw?

this has ALLWAYS confused me, there are 1000's of clips on youtube & look at all the meph fuss that was banned in the uk in a flash as soon as it got popular, salvia is sold in the open in every headshop up & down the uk.

Of coursse i only know about this from letters from a freind as i live in a hotel in W.S.Burroughs Interzone ;-)

 

[DwayneHoover]

It is banned in a number of states due to YouTube vids. I have little doubt it will be nationally eventually.

Some people go on a quiet inner journey, and learn a lesson about how bizarre and unknown the universe and mind really are... which is the best use I guess.

Others become uncontrollably whacked for a few minutes and get freaked out. They probably ought to leave it alone, and I would guess most do.

However some of ^them have dumbass friends who video them and put it on YouTube. Why, I cannot guess.

The reason its not banned like meph in UK is it is non-toxic and does have research showing interesting physical and psychological properties that they want to be able to keep researching. And it does not cause uncontrollable binging and extreme addiction and limbs to turn blue and heart attacks. And unlike crack it does not make you feel like you are going to die if you do not do more immediately, and only feel alive if you do more and more and more. And it does not lead to you stealing from everyone you know and robbing and shooting people to get money for the next hit

It is difficult to get ANY actual intense effect, requiring real deliberate intent and a little intelligence... 98% of those who try it go "its useless crap that does nothing"... and when "the effect" is achieved, it might make you wonder if you have died, quite the opposite of meph and crack.

Plus, it only last a few minutes, and its main outward manifestation is normally to make you want to sit frozen on the couch going "What the fuck???" instead of making you so hyper exited you feel like running around like mad throwing bricks thru shop windows for fun or something. Quite a different sort of effect, eh? Most only do it a for a few real breakthroughs then go, Hmmm... Okaaaay.... They either learn a lesson about The Mind, then stop. Or they become weirded out, and stop. So interest in it seems to be quite self-limiting. Not really "fun" per se. So it has a very limited audience, really. And it takes some level of courage and a spirit of exploration into the unknown, not just a desire to get utterly blasted.

The real question is, why the hell is it banned anywhere? ANS: because of dumbass non-friends who make videos of people acting slightly befuddled for a few seconds and put them on YouTube. What sort of danger or harm does it risk? None.

Oh wait... it might make a very few of the smarter out of the small percent who ever actually get off WONDER ABOUT THE NATURE OF THE MIND AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NATURE OF REALITY AND HUMANITY AND SOCIETY... Which the frightened little nazi control freaks who always seem to end up running society find UTTERLY TERRIFYING! OH MY GOD!!! CANT HAVE THAT!!!

Does that answer your question, farmaz?

 

[mr.buffnstuff]

ill try to help out as i used salvia x60 pretty much everyday for months.
I was working on a powerstation where they had random piss tests so no herbal smoking mixture for me as i would test positive. so i started back on salvia x60 from an online shop buy one gram get one free so worked out fairly good (£18 a gram) first of all, smoke it properly a dry bong and keep the flame on the bowl the whole time.
i find salvia enters me into a different world that seems to exist alongside reality so it just allows me to nip across for 10 mins at a time.
you often feel yourself being pulled around by 'forces' but its not unpleasant.
i never notice the merge between reality and my alternate world its like im just me again but in another world which i am familiar with. it doesnt come as a shock to me its like reality. if you black out with the higher concentrations its very pleasant.

The worst thing for salvia is not feeling secure to start with. i.e being surrounded by twats or feeling under pressure to smoke it. you want a good sitter with you and you want it as quiet as possible. someone calling your name can wake you from a trip straight away leaving you pretty pissed off! just relax, smoke and lay down iv found it very pleasant indeed when its done right. forget all the tw@s on youtube giving it a bad name. and because of its legal status many people come to the conclusion it wont do anything etc... IT DOES!

another good setting is outside in a comfortable place. somewhere where people arent likely to see you though and call an ambulance cuz some 'junkie' is on the floor next to a bong!

a bad trip is feeling where your out of control, but this is simply mind over matter do your research and know what to expect before hand. you need a strong mind but you can reassure yourself quite easily

Enjoy it

N.B as mentioned above, its more of a tool for self enlightenment and to give you direction more than it is for recreation and getting wasted. ok it will get you wrecked if thats all you seek. but it has the power for much more! for me salvia, ayahuscha, mescaline (cacti), LSD etc are a way for me to lose my ego and look into my mind and my heart and make important decisions... one of which was to lose weight and get in shape after a night on LSD i just had such clear direction and focuz and since has lost 5 stone! and packed on muscle, i am now an accomplished kickboxer and all that was from realising what i really wanted through use of LSD.

 

[farmaz]

@Dwaynehoover.....Jesus mate chill your boots, smoke a spliff or 2.

Why such a harsh attack on a simple question?.......Im not 100% wise to uk drug laws even though i live there. All i know is "meow meow" was banned due to media hype & a few years back when me & a select few were taking 2C chemicals they were banned also due to media hype etc.

as salvia is everywhere i could not grasp why it had not been banned too, i ask a simple question & you go nuts at me. Let me state very clear I DO NOT & NEVER WOULD film myself or others on salvia & post it on youtube or anything else as stupid as that I am as keen as everyone else on this forum for these type of things to stay "semi legal" you seem to think its me personally who brings heat on these type of things.

Have i upset you in a previous post or something?........

 

[knock]

Don't think he was actually meaning to attack you, just expressing himself passionately. Can see why you felt that though.

 

[MagickalKat777]

There's such a thing as a GOOD salvia trip? Lady salvia definitely doesn't like being agitated... I think she puts people through so much hell because they smoke her instead of respecting her and doing it how its supposed to be done - chewed fresh leaves.

 

[farmaz]

chewing leaves?

i had seen this before on a show in the uk called "sacred weeds" thats on youtube, they did all sorts from datura & salvia too its well worth a look at imo.

anyway back to point.......i've done "sally d" around 20 times & i find the best way is to smoke it. a few times i kinda messed it up & got caught half way in the trip which to me was a living nightmare i much prefer to totally break through than have what i would class as a +1 or +2 trip (using pihkal/tihkal scale for the +1/+2)

How does chewing leaf compare to something like X10 with a blowtorch/bong method i cant see it being a proper blast tbh, i cant think of anything worse than a slow come up & drawn out trip on salvia. i think its far better to fly up to the peak, stay there for a few mins then come down, but thats my view.

 

[farmaz]

here is the sacred weeds uk tv show btw.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sacred+weeds&aq=f

the salvia & henbane is well worth watching

 

[MagickalKat777]

well I know for one that salvia tincture doesn't have the horrible pins and needles hell... nor does she toss me around like a rag doll...

 

[knock]

How does chewing leaf compare to something like X10 with a blowtorch/bong method i cant see it being a proper blast tbh, i cant think of anything worse than a slow come up & drawn out trip on salvia. i think its far better to fly up to the peak, stay there for a few mins then come down, but thats my view.

Horses for courses. I've never done 10x, only my homegrown plain leaf. I have limited success smoking because I am scared and it burns fuck out of my lungs. Chewing the leaves can give you a very strong experience, as I said in my earlier post it's had me in tears on account of my sanity. It is a long duration, can be upwards of an hour or more if you move on to fresh leaves. I wouldn't call it drawn out though.

It's a gentler come up so you have a chance to get used to your new state. I have clearer and more detailed visions; when I became a crow the only visual effect was a sort of yellow undulating horizon, whereas chewing the leaf I have been in a crowded train station with all the noise and people, or amongst a dark, supernatural forest of twisty vines.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I LOL at people that think that smoking everything on the planet is natural... its next to impossible to get high off of salvia just by smoking plain leaves... what makes people think that something as powerful as salvia is going to enjoy the fact that its being completely disrespected by made into extracts placed on top of itself and then smoked... seriously... I'd be fucking pissed. And that plant DEFINITELY has a presence in it

 

[knock]

I LOL at people that think that smoking everything on the planet is natural... its next to impossible to get high off of salvia just by smoking plain leaves... what makes people think that something as powerful as salvia is going to enjoy the fact that its being completely disrespected by made into extracts placed on top of itself and then smoked... seriously... I'd be fucking pissed. And that plant DEFINITELY has a presence in it

This too, probably why I'm scared to smoke it.

But I promise you, it's true, you can go far smoking one plain leaf.

Anyway, yes, I agree, the plant is alive, conscious, possibly evil (OK maybe not evil but certainly manipulative) and if you grow it you will become it's little biped servant.

In other words, definitely a woman.

 

[DwayneHoover]

@Dwaynehoover.....Jesus mate chill your boots, smoke a spliff or 2.

Why such a harsh attack on a simple question?.......Im not 100% wise to uk drug laws even though i live there. All i know is "meow meow" was banned due to media hype & a few years back when me & a select few were taking 2C chemicals they were banned also due to media hype etc.

as salvia is everywhere i could not grasp why it had not been banned too, i ask a simple question & you go nuts at me. Let me state very clear I DO NOT & NEVER WOULD film myself or others on salvia & post it on youtube or anything else as stupid as that I am as keen as everyone else on this forum for these type of things to stay "semi legal" you seem to think its me personally who brings heat on these type of things.

Have i upset you in a previous post or something?........

No, man, no worries, not attacking you personally, nor was I saying I thought you ever would post a "see how dumb salvia makes you video". I was just being intense to get points across is all.

Mainly the intensity is directed at those out there reading this who hate us and our ways and want to ban every consciousness altering anything forever, and deny us our birthright to explore our own minds.

They think "a drug is a drug is a drug" and "all drugs are messing with 'Gods design' and are 'evil tools of the devil' and they must all be banned and users must all be thrown into the pit of hell prisons for maximum sentences."

Well your question "If meph is illegal why isnt salvia illegal also" plays into that because it could be seen as implying that all drugs are the same and are equally dangerous... it could be read as implying that salvia should be banned also.

I could not understand why you would even begin to wonder "if one is banned why dont they ban them both"... because they are very very different drugs, with very very different levels of effects risks and/or dangers. There are LOTS of very obvious reasons to ban one and not both, it seems to me anyway! I wanted to be sure not just you but especially any enemies out there reading this understand that.

Lots of anti-drug jerks read Bluelight as well and like YouTube might use it as "proof" in front of their representatives as to why salvia must also be banned, so I was primarily arguing against their going down their stupid "hell yea ban everything the same" path that they might have started thinking along after reading your question.

In other words, take care what you say and how you say it... dont give those buttheads any extra ammo or any more stupid ideas than they already have, right?!

 

[DwayneHoover]

chewing leaves?

How does chewing leaf compare to something like X10 with a blowtorch/bong method i cant see it being a proper blast tbh, i cant think of anything worse than a slow come up & drawn out trip on salvia. i think its far better to fly up to the peak, stay there for a few mins then come down, but thats my view.

There is nothing "proper" about smoking it. The Shamen who discovered the plant, and how to use it NEVER smoke it...ONLY absorb thru mouth.

Who should flying straight to peak always be better? That is not logical at all! If you are mountain climbing, you CANNOT just be dropped onto peak... your body MUST be given time to adjust and adapt to the different pressure gradually. Otherwise you get bubbles in blood that can kill you or make you sick. Same with diving deep into ocean... you need to go slow.

Well think of those scary or uncomfortable aspects of smoking salvia metaphorically as its version of those painful bubbles... the state of consciousness is just so very different that zooming straight there makes no sense to the mind, and so causes confusion and fear and lack of understanding.

But doing it by oral absorption... tincture emerald essence works well I do not know about the others... salvia will more slowly and kindly lead you up the stairs from our world to her sort of world, so that our very specific concrete earth-bound monkey brains have a little time to adjust to the unusual way of seeing things from her plant-type of awareness, which is more timeless, but without feeling such panic and fear... we need time to adjust and understand little bit by little that it is OK and we can survive there and it will not hurt us.

THIS is why the original shamen only used in the mouth, they never smoked it.. I am sure they tried both, both they had wisdom to understand that SHE IS NOT EVIL AND MEANS US NO HARM (what a ridiculous post that was... salvia depends on us to exist and survive.... it would die out now if not for us.. it wants to treat us nicely!) but that we MUST enter her realm slowly so our easy-to-freak-out monkey brains do not go EEEK! which is the cause of all the fear and bizarre confusion you see people having when they smoke it! Weare so easily frightened by things we never saw before, that is just how we function, don't you know? We NEED time to adjust slowly as when climbing a mountain and learning to breath different and to use the different air.

Doing it oral is marvelous... it feels MUCH better... you can watch as the changes happen more slowly and can see what they are doing and what is happening and how it is working, and this prevents being startled by it.

Understand? It is really very simple to grasp, is it not?