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What exactly is going on when you eat shrooms?

I just wanted to throw into the conversation

1. Bill W (founder of AA) loved his LSD, and did not count using against his clean date.

2. I would theorize that the most of psychedelic overdoses (and really mostly just RC's need to be mentioned) were taken by very irresponsible people who otherwise would have died in an unrelated yet probably equally irresponsible way. That being said *most* psychedelics can be safely survived at many times the average dose.

This may seem cold, but I agree with Bill Hicks when I hear of people dying on psychedelics and giving psychedelics a bad name when it was their own irresponsible choices that wrote their fate. "Always that same LSD story, you’ve all seen it, “Young man on acid thought he could fly, jumped out of a building. What a tragedy.” What a dick! Fuck him, he’s an idiot. If he thought he could fly, why didn’t he take off on the ground first? Check it out. You don’t see ducks lined up to catch elevators to fly south – they fly from the ground, ya moron, quit ruining it for everybody. He’s a moron, he’s dead – good, we lost a moron, fuckin’ celebrate. Wow, I just felt the world get lighter. We lost a moron! I don’t mean to sound cold, or cruel, or vicious…but I am, so that’s the way it comes out."

3. What mushrooms do is serve as a catalyst for a life changing experience. They are not something to be taken lightly before a concert or party. They are serious, powerful, and brutal tools. At appropriate doses the first hour or two will be spent begging for mercy. Complete ego death. They rip you in half, and occasionally, they will literally laugh at you while they do so. However once you break through, you will understand why I go back every week. For me mushrooms are not "fun" or "recreational". They are beautiful, and they are terrifying. They blow everything I thought I knew about myself and life out of the water. Such an experience can break any man, but to blame mushrooms for a suicide to me makes no sense at all. If you cant handle the truth, do not take them. They tare down the barriers in your brain (I call it the ego) and your left with a pretty god damn brutally honest view of yourself, and if you cant handle that then you shouldnt have been taking mushrooms, and drugs in general in the first place.

I believe to try to define the psychedelic experience as chemical reactions in your brain, or just as 5ht2a activity is a great injustice.
 
What mushrooms do is serve as a catalyst for a life changing experience. They are not something to be taken lightly before a concert or party. They are serious, powerful, and brutal tools. At appropriate doses the first hour or two will be spent begging for mercy. Complete ego death.

I'm sorry but who are you to tell anyone how they should take their drugs. I know of plenty of people that have taken doses to party and loved it. That's like saying you should only take opiates if you're experiencing pain or you should only take ketamine if they're undergoing surgery.

Yeah OK high doses will (might) be too much to handle at a party.. but not everyone wants to experience 2 hours of begging for mercy or ego death.. you do, OK.. that doesnt mean everyone else does.
 
mushrooms are too fucking brutal. Take too little and you just feel poisoned with some distortions and a fucked up body high. Take too much and you get obliterated.

Either way though the anxiogenic effect of mushrooms is much more pronounced than with LSD, mescaline, hell even 2C-T-2 is less anxiogenic.

I've had shrooms 3 times. The first time was a 1/4 of azure in a smoothie... literally caused the world to destroy itself with my eyes open and gave me an incredible euphoria that caused me to explode in moans like I was having a full body orgasm when the initial 1 hour period was over... That had no negatives.

The last two times I don't even want to think about. I was wishing I would die because of how poisoned I felt. Ironically 4-AcO-DMT did the same thing to me.

Only way I would touch shrooms again is if they were azure and I did a 1/2... no time to regret it.
 
To mr.mackey I recommend a life style that saved mine and will continue to do so, no matter how many people disagree. IF i wanted to party I would take a party drug. To me, mushrooms simply are not that, and do not care to be treated as such. At low doses they can be forgiving, and so you might have fun feeling the serotonin and giggling, but past 5 grams the best way is alone in a room by yourself for a few hours.
 
There is an entire method of curing alcoholism consisting of giving the person a strong trip, which forces them to confront their self-destructiveness on the booze. Usually an immediate cure. This has been well known for a long time.

http://www.google.com/search?num=10...m+lsd&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

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To mr.mackey I recommend a life style that saved mine and will continue to do so, no matter how many people disagree. IF i wanted to party I would take a party drug. To me, mushrooms simply are not that, and do not care to be treated as such. At low doses they can be forgiving, and so you might have fun feeling the serotonin and giggling, but past 5 grams the best way is alone in a room by yourself for a few hours.


Huh? lol what are you talking about? What kind of lifestyle do you think Im living?
I know quite well the varying degrees of intensity and the settings best suited to them with mushrooms as well as other psychedelic drugs. but thanks for the slightly preachy and irrelevant advice....
 
usually when your eating shrooms, your just eating shrooms. unless you are multi-tasking whilst eating the shrooms.
you're chewing on them, and swallowing.
unless you don't chew them; i do at least.
 
Best explanation without neurochemistry is, it turns off some sensory inhibitory circuits in the brain, leading to more sensory information processing (and overloading). Or to reduce it further, "it turns on parts of your brain that aren't normally on".

i think that's pretty inaccurate. it's a good description of what it FEELS like, but i don't think it literally does those things.
 
Best explanation without neurochemistry is, it turns off some sensory inhibitory circuits in the brain, leading to more sensory information processing (and overloading). Or to reduce it further, "it turns on parts of your brain that aren't normally on".

i think that's pretty inaccurate. it's a good description of what it FEELS like, but i don't think it literally does those things.

jesusgreen had it pretty right, except i read a paper where they said psilocin had the highest affinity for the 5ht2b receptor. they also said that psilocin was one of the least selective psychedelics, meaning it bound to lots of different serotonin receptor subtypes.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0009019
 
Yeah but Ibogaine cures people of just about every addiction - doesn't mean its "safe"

Actually, Ibogaine is pretty safe.. The only known fatalities occurred in people who were presumed to have redosed on their drug of choice during the treatment. The main concern when taking Ibogaine is the hearts QT interval, because Iboga/Ibogaine has been known to lengthen this in some people.

But it's definitely not an "addiction cure", it certainly, however, is an "addiction interruptor".

You still have to put in the work, but it gives you a chance that many would never have without it.
 
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usually when your eating shrooms, your just eating shrooms. unless you are multi-tasking whilst eating the shrooms.
you're chewing on them, and swallowing.
unless you don't chew them; i do at least.

They're more effective, more absorbable, and easier on the stomach and taste buds (some like the taste actually) if as I mentioned you grind them utterly to dust in a coffee bean grinder. It's a really big help IMO, but to each his own.
 
They're more effective, more absorbable, and easier on the stomach and taste buds (some like the taste actually) if as I mentioned you grind them utterly to dust in a coffee bean grinder. It's a really big help IMO, but to each his own.

well next time there's a coffee bean grinder, or anything that grinds around ill try that. thanks ;p
 
It seems obvious at this point that the consensus on how mushrooms (psilocin) actually work can be condensed into a chemical understanding. The psilocin binds to serotogenic receptors and is dissimilar to serotonin to the point that it causes a change in usual perception yadda yadda yadda. But, when we say that this understanding should be taken over the misinformed view that the brain is bleeding are we really correct? I would argue no because these explanations are inherently incommesurable with each other (i.e. apples to oranges). While one explains a macro state of observation (i.e. the bleeding brain) the other is reduced to the mere interaction and behavior of chemicals. To put it otherwise, what I'm saying is that they are not interchangeable explanations ( one explains the bigger picture the other a microscopic mechanism). So i think we need to organize our explanation of what drugs do (i.e. the faulty notion of the breeding brain) separate from how they do it ( our chemical explantion).
 
Why the "sheesh"? I wasn't getting on your case or insulting you or anything, bud, I thought I was just giving you a helpful suggestion! Sheesh back at ya... Oh well, I don't mind.... I know it's hard to tell someone's mood and intent with just these letters on a screen.

Here's to hoping you have a nice time!
 
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