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What ever happened to PCP?

Fertile said:
In which case the acetyl ester would be the appropriate protecting group. It might actually result in a compound that is even more potent with a faster onset but shorter duration than PCP.

I believe it's technically legal in the US but I know well that the production of PCP and similarly simple syntheses are always governed by expedience. I am also prepared to bet that someone has telescoped the synthesis down to a single step using a minimum of solvent AND a cheap solvent at that.

Searches show that there have been at least 3 PCP labs detected in the last decade. No details on the route but 1 was found after a fire and one because neighbours complained of 'strong chemical small'. Generally the defendants were in their 40s, 50s or 60s.

Thinking of a highly flammable solvent with a low BP and strong odour and it SOUNDS like diethyl ether. I bet that the Grignard or aryllithium reagent was already dissolve in the solvent...

I should mention that PCP is also just about the most hazardous synthesis to undertake at scale. 'Ether fire' are words from a nightmare.
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Ether doesn't really catch fire, the vapour mixes with air, then it explodes like petrol vapour in a car engine.
Scary bsyond belief
 
Fertile said:
I'm an idiot - of course PCP is achiral. Someone drew it as chiral in my reference and my brain was in neutral.

So ALL of it will be a DRI and ALL of it will be an NMDA antagonist.

3-OH PCP seems like a much better idea. To be smoked (and possibly during synthesis) the phenolic -OH would need to be protected as an ether or an ester, The former is also a reasonable drug in it's own right. The body will O-demethylate and the bare phenol allows the body excrete the drug so duration is much lower.
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Was wondering when someone would point out PCP has no chiral centres...
 
This was vapour - but it was being forced through a small smace.

But using a 55 gallon (205L) steel vessel with the top removed means a surface area of 163 cm2 of diethyl ether (vapor pressure 379.6) or THF (vapor pressure 127) - VP at 20C.

I guess that is one reason why THF is preferred. On the other hand, water is miscible with THF which is bad for a Grignard. Swings and roundabouts.



Above is a police bust of a small PCP lab. But I've read of a couple of lab busts in 2016. One burnt down, the other was detected because neighbours complained about the constant odour of chemicals. In both cases their were dozens of 55 gallon drums and in the one that was dismantled, they were using the drums as reaction vessels....

Sheer madness.

Dutch law actually make an unsafe lab a separate crime so even if you were making something legal, they still close you down, take all your stuff and throw you in jail and/or give you a huge fine.
 
fastandbulbous said:
Was wondering when someone would point out PCP has no chiral centres...
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As I said - I'm an idiot. In my defence, My Merck uses the solid and dotted wedge for the C-C bond between benzene - cyclohexane and cyclohexane - piperidine. I was on autopilot.

Like most people, I edit best JUST after hitting POST.
 
I've smoked PCP 7 times and each time it was PCP soaked into mint leaves. I always did it with someone else and we would roll up a blunt of the mint leaves and smoke it straight like that. PCP for me always reminded me of when I used to trip on DXM. But PCP would get me stuck, I would freeze up like a statue and I would go into a deep detached state of mind, my body would feel disembodied or not all together, everything would sorta look like a cartoon and my emotions would be all over the place. I felt like I was walking on clouds
 
PCP is one of the few drugs I haven't tried but its number one on my list of drugs I want to try. Have not ran into anyone in my area who has ever claimed to have ran into it.

I'm in the Pacific Northwest. I do keep an eye on the DNM and have seen what was listed as traditional PCP twice in the last year. One was from Canada and one was from Australia. I never went for it because I did t want to risk getting it through customs. So apparantely it is around in some places
 
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SuperPsych said:
PCP is one of the few drugs I haven't tried but its number one on my list of drugs I want to try. Have not ran into anyone in my area who has ever claimed to have ran into it.

I'm in the Pacific Northwest. I do keep an eye on the DNM and have seen what was listed as traditional PCP twice in the last year. One was from Canada and one was from Australia. I never went for it because I did t want to risk getting it through customs. So apparantely it is around in some places
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SuperPsych said:
PCP is one of the few drugs I haven't tried but its number one on my list of drugs I want to try. Have not ran into anyone in my area who has ever claimed to have ran into it.

I'm in the Pacific Northwest. I do keep an eye on the DNM and have seen what was listed as traditional PCP twice in the last year. One was from Canada and one was from Australia. I never went for it because I did t want to risk getting it through customs. So apparantely it is around in some
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SuperPsych said:
PCP is one of the few drugs I haven't tried but its number one on my list of drugs I want to try. Have not ran into anyone in my area who has ever claimed to have ran into it.

I'm in the Pacific Northwest. I do keep an eye on the DNM and have seen what was listed as traditional PCP twice in the last year. One was from Canada and one was from Australia. I never went for it because I did t want to risk getting it through customs. So apparantely it is around in some places
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PCP is often found in inner city ghetto neighborhoods
 
TimTim1993 said:
PCP is often found in inner city ghetto neighborhoods
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I was about to say the exact same thing. I've only ever found it in the most ghetto neighborhoods, TBH. Sherm, liquid, dippers, all pretty common. Angel dust in powder form is fairly rare though. PCE is a rarity these days as well, but one worth checking out if you ever get the chance.

SuperPsych said:
Have not ran into anyone in my area who has ever claimed to have ran into it.
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Try making friends with people in the nearest hood area. This takes some finesse, practice, and perseverance. You need a liaison though. It's inadvisable to go traipsing into the hood knowing not one soul…
 
Yeah it's definitely better to know someone who lives in the hood, it depends on what neighborhood it is, I'm from NY and I used to just go into the hood, a lot of times people think you are there to buy crack but you have to let them know you are trying to find some dust, where I'm from they soak mint leaves in the PCP and we would roll it straight up in a blunt and smoke it like that. But if you want it to be more mellow you can put the mint leaves on top of weed but I always smoked the mint leaves straight
 
I always wanted to try the PCP analogs like 3 Meo PCP but that is more difficult to find then regular PCP where I'm from
 
unodelacosa said:
Try making friends with people in the nearest hood area. This takes some finesse, practice, and perseverance. You need a liaison though. It's inadvisable to go traipsing into the hood knowing not one soul…
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Unfortunately I'm a bit of a nerdy white kid from 20+ miles outside of the city in the suberbs with no vehicle. No friends in the city, although if I ever meet someone at a show I'll try to stay in contact. I'm in the Portland, OR area and I've never heard of PCP use even from old veterans, unless they're talking about their time growing up in California. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some in Seattle. There's probably some in Portland somewhere but its a rarity. I've heard of it in LA and San Diego. My internet friend who uses it a lot says he usually finds it in Kansas City and of course its known to be in D.C. Guess people in Portland are content with the Meth, Benzos and Fentanyl
 
SuperPsych said:
Unfortunately I'm a bit of a nerdy white kid from 20+ miles outside of the city in the suberbs with no vehicle. No friends in the city, although if I ever meet someone at a show I'll try to stay in contact. I'm in the Portland, OR area and I've never heard of PCP use even from old veterans, unless they're talking about their time growing up in California. Wouldn't surprise me if there's some in Seattle. There's probably some in Portland somewhere but its a rarity. I've heard of it in LA and San Diego. My internet friend who uses it a lot says he usually finds it in Kansas City and of course its known to be in D.C. Guess people in Portland are content with the Meth, Benzos and Fentanyl
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If you're a nerdy white kid you'd probably really enjoy PCP lol.
 
thurston said:
Hamilton Morris interviewed a cop about PCP a little while back. Keep in mind he's interviewing a cop so the truth may be lacking.

Interview with a PCP cop — The Hamilton Morris Podcast — Overcast

overcast.fm overcast.fm
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The cop really knows his chemistry AND re-enforces my point that the Chinese will ship the Grignard IN diethyl ether but simply label it as 'diethyl ether'.

The US does a TERRIBLE job in trying to stop precursors - but I'm guessing such vast volumes of solvents, it's impossible to make any impact via random GC-MS testing.

I've been blown up - 30l of toluene vapour. I am lucky to be alive.

On the plus side it was in The Netherlands and we were making 2CI which was legal at the time.

We were top of the national headlines as (wait for it) 'Largest MDMA lab ever found'. NO MDMA was EVER produced at that location - but 'small lab producing legal compound' isn't such an arresting headline.

The cop also knows that COOKS are the muppets who make this stuff. Real chemists are paid to show them how... which is why REAL chemists are almost never caught.
 
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