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what drugs increase or reduce HPPD for you?

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im just wondering, from your personal experience, what drugs increase, or reduce, HPPD for you
you dont have to really have full HPPD, could be a minor case where you stopped using psychedelics so it dosnt get into full fledged HPPD (or you still use psychedelics with HPPD)

maybe you enjoy HPPD (i enjoy parts of it) and dont want it to leave... you can talk about this some but i want the discussion mainly on drugs (or other methods) that should be maybe tried with a low dose first if one has HPPD

id be especially interested if certain psychedelics increase your HPPD while others do not

im posting this because i have a small amount of HPPD (blobs of jelly and static and waves of light when i close my eyes for a minute, somestatic even when the room is fully lit/lots of static when room is dim, positive and negative afterimages lasting much longer than normal people's, trees/nature/water are plastic and cartoon, some small body sensations, and a definite change in how i think(which i think is hte only great part of my HPPD, i think i think better)) and i want to know what drugs i should avoid or be careful with to not get full HPPD






as for me:
ive read that stimulants exacerbate it.. caffeine dosnt for me, havent tried others

nitrous oxide exacerbated it ALOT (especially the static and somewhat the cartoon-ness of trees)

diphenhydramine (recreational dose did it, but now any dose does it, i think after my recreational dose i became hypersensitive to it and got some HPPD particularly from this drug even though its not a hallucinogen(persistent small clouds of color popping up as if i see a bright light then look away, especially when no visual stimulus is present)) makes my hppd much worse (especially the cartoon-ness of trees)

i first got my HPPD (not really HPPD just a tiny bit) from pot (everything started getting more colorful and beautiful) then when i had my first LSA trip (on only 4 grams; usually i and my friends took 10 and we only get a little high) the world was blasted into full glowing plastic cartoon beauty, it got a litle better, except trees and nature and water are still very surreal and cartoony to this day (trip was in june or july)

cannabis makes it worse but only very slightly (its very strong during the high and i see very complex and beautiful visuals/pictures, but all goes away after the high).. the only time i noticed a significant increase in my HPPD due to pot was when i smoked 5 days straight on vacation (usually i smoke once per week or less)
 
I can't speak from personal experience but a friend of mine
can see patterns if he stare into pavement and such. He got
it from 2C-I and was made worse by 5-MeO-aMT.
 
even the drugs that seem to decrease it (like alcohol or benzo's) have a negative effect on it because once they are out of your system the hppd wil get worse , that's my personal experience anyway
 
caffeine no longer worsens it for me. staying up for several days on amphetamines is very bad. acid not as much as you'd think; mushrooms are worse. mdma, easily-ignored. k, little to no effect. 2c-i, medium. 5-meo-dipt, medium. 5-meo-dmt, very intense for several days. marijuana medium.

hands-down, the worst exacerbator of my HPPD is DXM. It puts me in a state of horrible static, after-images, incredibly long trails, sperm in the sky, etc. for MONTHS. I have never ingested a drug that more permanently alters my brain than DXM.

As for drugs that make it better, benzos are not as helpful for me as many people claim they should be.
 
protix what do you mean by "mdma, easily-ignored"?

"even the drugs that seem to decrease it (like alcohol or benzo's) have a negative effect on it because once they are out of your system the hppd wil get worse , that's my personal experience anyway"
i think that the worsening of HPPD after them would only last until the brain chemical levels are back to normal after cessation of their use

alcohol dosnt reduce HPPD for me at all, in fact i think it may have increased static last night but that might just be beacuse i havent been in a very dimly lit room in a long time

vicodin dosnt affect my HPPD which i forgot to mention

i tried DXM and it didnt affect my HPPD but i didnt have any static or afterimages/trials at the time i tried DXM
 
i still get little floaters from my past use of 2C-I. i'm not sure if this counts for HPPD though.
 
ive had strange lights come into my vision while sober and that was really odd, i don't think you can call of these cases HPPD in the true sense of the word as hppd is something that you KNOW you have, it is extremely damaging to your social scene and life, people have to spend ridiculous amounts on meds to remain sane.

peace
 
i believe the definition of HPPD ought to be expanded by striking

"B. The symptoms in Criterion A cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning."

Leary believed that approx. 5% of people experienced this syndrome after taking LSD. Mine began with DXM, along with months of dropping words from sentences, putting the cereal in the fridge and the milk in the cabinet, and general cognitive impairment from only a handful of spaced-apart uses. I find that a very large number of people report persistant after-effects from psychedelic drug use, ranging from slight motion trails to complete loss of their night vision.

It's about time we started taking HPPD more seriously... It's all in your head, but it's in your brain...
 
i did some vicodin last night and the static is much increased
is there any drug i can do without screwing my HPPD?
 
HPPD isnt necessarily a bad thing. i hate when we (as a society) decide to take the way people are and slap a "disorder" label on it. Same with ADD. we're all just what we are.
 
groovemonkey said:
HPPD isnt necessarily a bad thing. i hate when we (as a society) decide to take the way people are and slap a "disorder" label on it. Same with ADD. we're all just what we are.
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By definition HPPD is not what people "are", it's what some people have become as a result of using certain mind altering substances.
 
qwe said:
im posting this because i have a small amount of HPPD (blobs of jelly and static and waves of light when i close my eyes for a minute, somestatic even when the room is fully lit/lots of static when room is dim, positive and negative afterimages lasting much longer than normal people's, trees/nature/water are plastic and cartoon, some small body sensations, and a definite change in how i think(which i think is hte only great part of my HPPD, i think i think better)) and i want to know what drugs i should avoid or be careful with to not get full HPPD
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What you're describing isn't some particular disorder you now have. I have always had lots of "static" and just as you said, drastically increased as it gets darker. I remember talking to my dad about that when I was six or seven or some age like that. I too have and have had for as long as I can remember noticeable after-images and an occasional, sporatic, seemingly organized closed eye visualization. Perhaps these things were always there, but your sudden conscious awakening to them was instigated by taking acid (or whatever you took). Also, how can you objectively say at any given time that you don't feel exactly as you should normally feel--unless you're sick or injured. And at last, the change or growth in your normal thinking (that is, the thinking that occurs without conscious choosing to think) is only an incidental effect of the psychedelic drug. I think that the drug itself is the capacity to shatter your self-convinced cultural/social/experiential paradigm.

The symptoms you describe are symptoms of being human and of learning and noticing certain things while tripping. How can you saqy, for example, that you know that other peoples' after-images do not persist as long as yours? When you ask someone a question like that, there's no shared measure of what is "long." Motion trails and similar phenomena are alsways there, and after seeing them so explicitly on a drug, its easy to see its normal but decreased presence in everyday life.
 
I was given Reiki a few months ago.

While the practitioner was working on my pineal/3rd eye area, I had kaleidoscopic visuals indistinguishable from my DMT experiences.

I believe we naturally have some degree of visuals without having to take drugs, due to 3rd eye activation.

Get some good reiki, it may help clear the 3rd eye of 'psychic grunge' accumulated through drug use.
 
I was trying a daily combo of piracetem and hydergine for a while, and that always gave me some boosted visual distortions. Mostly floater-type things. I think it was mostly from the hydergine, cause when I ran out of that it mostly stopped.

As far as non-visual but cognitive HPPD, DXM is definitely the worst. My brain feels broken for days afterward (but not months, which I believe is part of the unofficial definition of "Real" HPPD).

Caffeine has seemed to boost short-term recurrence of visuals, especially from phenethylamines and especially from 2C-I. For me this lasts for a few weeks and is one of the reasons I will never do 2C-I again.

Interestingly, although I have never had a definite flashback despite using it quite heavily this past year, the drug that has "stuck with me" the most by far has nonetheless been LSD. I have an emotional attachment to it that I can only term deep psychological addiction, or perhaps "inappropriately strong affection" would be more accurate. Like when you still feel in love with the girlfriend who blew your mind and then screwed you over. For me this may be my most significant long-term residual effect from any psychedelic.
 
“HPPD isnt necessarily a bad thing. i hate when we (as a society) decide to take the way people are and slap a "disorder" label on it. Same with ADD. we're all just what we are.” HPPD isnt necessarily a bad thing. i hate when we (as a society) decide to take the way people are and slap a "disorder" label on it. Same with ADD. we're all just what we are.”

I admit I like certain aspects of my HPPD—in particular, I love how intense colors are, how beautiful things are, and how my thinking has changed for the better (cant explain it) and how I am able to do intense complex visualizing and completely focus on the visualizing, making it almost a hallucination

However, there are bad parts too… the static vision, loss of night vision (resulting in static) and even static in pure daylight, trails and afterimages, odd body sensations, and I think my breathing has gone off track

I would rather not have HPPD, even though it has benefits, because then I could tirp more without worrying about the negative affects getting wrose, and I CANNOT WAIT until we understand how HPPD works so we can know what vitamins/substances to take to prevent HPPD from further forming

“Also, how can you objectively say at any given time that you don't feel exactly as you should normally feel--unless you're sick or injured.”

Because I cannot see as well as I used to, as well as others, because the world has a much more surreal feel

“How can you saqy, for example, that you know that other peoples' after-images do not persist as long as yours? When you ask someone a question like that, there's no shared measure of what is "long."”

Mine last twice as long as my friend, and mine gets longer every time I use a psychedelic

“The symptoms you describe are symptoms of being human and of learning and noticing certain things while tripping.”

Being human does not entail static everywhere, ive always seen some static in the sky and on carpets, but after psychedelics its just ridiculous, its everywhere… your implying its all psychological, and I partly agree, a lot of it is due ot the attention mechanism keeping the disturbances on the visual field longer (maybe it got lazier) which I can tell experientially because if I get afterimages, and close my eyes, they alst for 5 seconds, then fade away… then they come back (ie they never left, were just sent away from attention) when my visual field changes, ie I open my eyes… hwen I look at something else, all the afterimages become more apparent for a bit… so yes a lot of it is due to the attention mechanism of the ego… but that cant be the only thing because many people have VERY severe HPPD where they have entire loss of night vision and severe visual penalties, if all that is always there, wed all be part blind




thanks victor for getting back on subject
lets try to stay on subject please
drugs and their influence on HPPD
if you want HPPD disc make another thread or bring up an old thread
 
I've had major "static" all my life. I've just considered it normal. It's the way the eyes work, and there is a corresponding explanation in biology for this phenomenon.
 
heliospan said:
I've had major "static" all my life. I've just considered it normal. It's the way the eyes work, and there is a corresponding explanation in biology for this phenomenon.
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Sure, your eyes have to obey quantum statics just like any other photodetector, though for most people their brain filters it out... you get the same thing from a time-exposure photograph vs a very fast photograph.

I'm curious what this explanation is, and why for some people with HPPD it responds to benzos.

To me the HPPD static seems to be a result of a visual cortex malfunction, prima facie.
 
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