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What drugs have you tried & which do you still want to try?

kate said:
However, lets agree that "evidence" based isn't always what is required to indicate an issue or 3 is afoot. The very nature of such discourse and how that is handled is a major indicator of the problem itself! Those reactions were a major affront :\
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This is very much the case and I quite agree. It's nigh-on impossible to even try to discuss these issues cos people take it so personally and become highly defensive. I find much of the problem is that there is no single instance or example to point to most of the time cos it's been a slow and steady progression over several years. Meh. This is not the place for this discussion but is nice to know I'm not banging my head against a BL wall without reason or cause.

kate said:
I can see you ;)
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:sus::sus::sus: *rushes to put some clothes on sharpish* :sus::sus::sus:

<3
 
Shambles said:
This is very much the case and I quite agree. It's nigh-on impossible to even try to discuss these issues cos people take it so personally and become highly defensive. I find much of the problem is that there is no single instance or example to point to most of the time cos it's been a slow and steady progression over several years. Meh. This is not the place for this discussion but is nice to know I'm not banging my head against a BL wall without reason or cause.
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Meh indeed. Us old hippies do kinda speak a different lingo like! :D I work around and with MBA types, management structures n' all that shite n' jazz. What's spouted isn't so foreign to me, just unskilled and poorly executed. Change is a bitch.

The individual intentions are all good though, that an important point not to forget. BL is a community - where the greater good is more important...?

Anyhoo, I got it all off my chest in the appropriate place. (Luckily for them I kept my bra on and camera in its case...)

:sus::sus::sus: *rushes to put some clothes on sharpish* :sus::sus::sus:

<3
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*wafts fragrant scents northwards* Nowt quite like the bouquet of a good soul stripped naked <3
 
It's not the whiff of me soul that I was worried about so much as my sweaty ballsack. An acquired taste I'd imagine.

The individual intentions are all good though, that an important point not to forget. BL is a community - where the greater good is more important...?
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I agree with the former but have some issue with the latter. Yes the greater good is more important ultimately or none of us would be here but I worry that the individual can be lost - sometimes deliberately crushed out of sight - when that hive mentality goes too far. A community is made up of individual members. Without them there is no community any more than there would be us (the members) without the community structure (in some form or other) being provided for us. I can't help feeling the balance has gotten progressively further out of whack. Pinning that down precisely is a trickier beast but one I'm working on.

But getting waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off topic and probably not the best idea to be discussing here given ongoing discussions elsewhere.
 
Tried IV methoxphenidine yesterday, to a total of 300mg. Accompanied by usual meds (morphine, oxy, clonidibe, chlormethiazole, cyclizine mainly).

Absolutely lovely stuff so far. Will be getting more :) was quite productive, emotionally, and practically speaking, got stuff done that needed doing. Still feeling it a little on waking up the day post-ingestion, subtly, but theres a definite mood lift.
 
Bear in mind Shambles' words of wisdom on the previous page. This stuff sounds like it can bite you on the arse if you let it.
 
Yes - do please be a bit careful with that stuff, Limpy. Initially it's a nice bonus still feeling it the next day but it will just keep on building and building in the system the more redosing is involved. No idea when it starts to get into the deeply dodgy territory I ended up in (was within moments of dialling 999 at several points and that is something I have never even considered before in my life) but somewhere between where you're at now and the 2g I ended up taking (over the course of a couple days) presumably.

It really is bloody nice initially though. Gorgeous afterglow and very noticeable mood lift. When mood lift crosses into outright mania it's a bit different though so best avoid that I'd suggest.
 
What would be a good way to combat those spinny pressure-of-thought extreme restlessness/mania episodes when someone has overdone the PCP-likes? When combining dexamp with methoxetamine and another time with 3-meo-PCP on a GHB-rebound I think I suffered something similar.

Antipsychotics IV, to rapidly dampen dopamine activity and sedate the overactive CNS? Or even a direct NMDA antagonist?
 
When I overdid (by quite a bit I think) MXE + 3-MeO-PCP combos (MDPV was involved for part of it too so stimulation was very much the focus at times) and got to that manic overstimulated stage I just ended up pacing back and forth at a gazillion miles an hour for several hours. Wasn't distressed or owt - just unfeasibly overstimulated. Had bloody sore feet by the morning but it did fade by itself. I wasn't distressed and freaking out though and would presume benzos would be the obvious choice... then again when that stimulated they may well not touch the sides and only cause more confusion. If the person is really in a bad way I would consider medical treatment cos I certainly wouldn't be comfortable trying to guess at what to use for fear of only making things worse. It did pass for me after a few hours but I absolutely had to keep pacing back and forth the whole time. Could sit for a few minutes at most. On the plus side my thoughts were racing at least as fast as the rest of me was so boredom was not an issue. Sore feet were but that's a minor price in the grand scheme.
 
O-dt. I have tried it, and want to try it some more. Its out there somewhere. Maybe just a few samples in scientific labs, maybe huge batches that no one has the balls or the means to bring it to the market place. Maybe there is some doing the rounds, but everyone is keeping it closely locked down, only one person on BL that i know of said he still had a little of the pre-ban stuff left. I dont think he even likes the stuff very much from what i gathered.
 
Just knocked diphenidine off the list the other day, well, two days ago, and its still going.

Seems to have a lot more tendency to hang around after repeated dosing than methoxphenidine, I'd guess due to both the increased polarity of the latter, and the latter having somewhere for the body to chew on.

Wouldn't surprise me if diphenidine is pretty fat-soluble, given its absolutely atrocious solubility in water for its potency, low enough to make shooting routes difficult. Still, have to say I rather like both. Great afterglow, although my thoughts are still pretty manic/racing

Edit-and its showed little sign of tailing off, post-hole (and yes its definitely possible to reach such with MXP or diphenidine. Contrary to reports listing at least the latter as shallow and not worth it, I'm still going about everything with a big fucking grin on my face.
 
I predict RC opioids will start to emerge and will be sold in a similar format to the current crop of RC benzos. I think selling them as low dosage pressed pellets would seem a lot safer than shifting bags of powder.
 
O-DT was glorious. I did like it better than (snorting) the local #4 heroin at the time, it was cheap reliable and strong. Energizing long-lasting buzz that got sedating and noddy when pushed further, with none of the serotonin ickyness of regular tramadol.
 
curious_24 said:
I predict RC opioids will start to emerge and will be sold in a similar format to the current crop of RC benzos. I think selling them as low dosage pressed pellets would seem a lot safer than shifting bags of powder.
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Sort of like an RC oxy? Yeah, I could see that happening actually. Brr.
 
Access to mail order opioid/opiate powders (mainly smack) has now become laughably easy for the lay person.

O-DT, at the time, was a nice change because the only common mail-order options were from overpriced "online pharmacies" who peddle diverted and/or counterfeit codeine/DHC/tramadol/oxy pills. But one can easily order a pile of aromatic smack in a few mouseclicks now. Alpha/methyl/butyl-fentanyl are viable but only if you trust your supplier to get the mixture right. Hmm, reminds me.. is ColorfulKronos still into that?
 
O-DT was a truly glorious drug. Have tried heroin, oxy, hydro, DHC, codeine, opium & dikes. I would choose it over all of them apart from the dikes. Apparently the synth is very hard to do, but would have thought that one of the European vendors would stock it, given its glowing reviews. Is it banned in other EU contries as well?
 
Well it wouldn't surprise me, if unlike the arylcyclohexylamine family, some of the new (to the RC market scene) lefetamine analogs do indeed possess opioid activity, lefetamine itself does although I have not yet personally tried it, but apparently it is sufficient to cause the development of a mild-moderate physical withdrawal syndrome of the opioid type if overdone.

I'd also like to try what I'll tentatively name 'hydroxyphenidine', basically the product of ether cleavage on MXP w/ for instance, conc. HBr, along with varying electron-donating and -withdrawing groups, alkyl, alkenyl, alkyne, through to alkoxy, alkylalkoxy and for instance, (pseudo)halides, nitro-, CHF3-. Just looking on pubmed for SAR investigations on lefetamine derivatives to see what might prove fertile ground for fucking with.


Is o-DT really devoid of those horrible SNRI effects that make tramadol such a steaming, maggot-wrigglingly-infested repugnant heap of canine ordure?
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
Is o-DT really devoid of those horrible SNRI effects that make tramadol such a steaming, maggot-wrigglingly-infested repugnant heap of canine ordure?
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yes completely, it is the pure opiate metabolite of tramadol. IIRC you need a shitload of tramadol for your liver to convert it into any worthwhile amount of odt, (and not everyone has livers capable of performing the metabolism either :(). Other than that tramadol is just hitting your serotonin receptors. I could take o-dt on top of sertaline and there were no dodgy interactions going on. Just pure bliss.
 
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