Stimulants what drug would you say is one step below methamphetamine

[spypilot]

i saw the one step above caffeine thread so i ask you what would you say is one step below meth

in my opinion alpha pvp is around there and from my experience just below street meth in terms of dirtyness and euphoria

 

[Dextro .45]

Methamphetamine ….slightly smoother, less cardiovascular taxing, less Norepinephrine and more Serotonin release, mood-boosting relaxation/calmness (low therapeutic doses) clear headed dopamine surge, much longer duration as it metabolizes into d-Amphetamine ….in high doses psychosis, hallucination’s, awake for several days in bizarre haze of tweaked out psychosis seeing “shadow people”

An entire SS unit high on Pervitin (d-Methamphetamine) fired off hundreds of rounds (if not thousands) paranoid that the Soviet forces had them surrounded……nobody was there. The Soviets walked in the following morning and found emaciated German tweakers totally spun on Methamphetamine induced psychosis and rounded them all up for Siberia camps (many never to return)


Oral Desoxyn 5mg tablets 5-25mg would be proper safe dosing……10mg for feel more comfortable than Dexedrine 10mg I’m sure of…..from all the first handed accounts from people with genuine Desoxyn scripts …. “ it makes Adderall seem like the tweakiest drug ever” one individual stated


Dextro-Amphetamine would be a step under, followed by Ritalin (Methylphenidate), then Modafinil, Phenylpiracetam, Bupropion, Nicotine then Caffeine Id say.


d-Methamphetamine (Desoxyn) & Phenmetrazine (Preludin) are two of the most pleasurable euphoric, pro-sexual / social, dopaminergic stimulants with a decent safety profile in therapeutic dosing. Phenmetrazine often preferred by hi-dose IV injection users, apparently even more pleasurable than Methamphetamine….Preludin was even voluntarily removed from the market by manufacturer due to hi abuse potential. Too bad

Methedrine 20mg glass ampoules for injection would be nice…….along with Diamorphine 100mg & Diazepam 10mg/ml ampoules for IV/IM/SC administration would be the ultimate 3-shot combo for a tolerant user in therapeutic dosing lol

 

[SuperPsych]

Ya know, it's hard to say. Depends on the criteria.

Addictivness? I'd say that methamphetaine rival heroin, MDPV/APVP and Crack Cocaine. It depends on what one is running from and/or what they've been introduced to.

In terms of drugs that have similar uses but can be considered a "step-down"? any dextroamphetamine formulation, amphetamine paste, any methylphenidate formulation. Of course a number of analogues to either amphetamine or methylphenidate can be considered "step-down" from methamphetamine

 

[Halif2]

All good points, SuperPsych. Especially this:

Ya know, it's hard to say. Depends on the criteria.

One step below meth in what sense?

My initial thought was that almost anything else would be several steps below meth in terms of strength (the subjective experience the user has of "being high") and duration. High quality meth is a hella potent stimulant, and in some ways it's in its own class.

in my opinion alpha pvp is around there

Many years ago I consumed very large amounts of very high purity a-PVP and I'd say the most crucial difference between it and meth is the difference in duration. A big smoking binge on a-PVP becomes so compulsive that it becomes ridiculous because you can't go for more than 15 minutes without a hit.

That means a lot of trips to the bathroom, which is obnoxious when you're out at the pub / club / restaurant with friends (if they're not doing it too - or worse, they don't know you're doing it). That means pulling over frequently on car trips to smoke a quick hit on a side street, crouching down in the driver's seat looking exactly like you'd imagine a cracked out crackhead to look. It just takes over and becomes the almighty master of puppetry. When you're 'on a run' with a-PVP, the whole experience of consuming a super potent stimulant, being high/tweaked out, and the horrendous crash and compulsion to take more, is all compressed into 15-20 minutes. It was a nightmare to binge on.