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What drug makes people the most devious?

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This is how it is or should I say WAS for me.............................................................:)
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( I NEVER SPEAK OR EXPECT ANOTHER PERSON TO HAVE THE SAME result) cocaine, crack cocaine, stimulants are addicting WHILE you are in that zone but when it runs out and it is time to stop your mind..you crash and sleep for a while, when you wake up the depression starts to surround your every waking moment....!!!! And the mental anguish begins and it can remain there for quite sometime. And opiates are murder. For me, I was screwed from the very first pill...did not realize it then but that is were it all began for me .... opiates withdraw is down right painful .So imagine, being totally exhausted , but not being able to lay, sit, sleep, walk, smoke. eat, and the withdraw just keeps manifesting itself until your head is so fucked up that it don't matter who is in your way when you give in. I have literly pushed my son away from the door when he was begging me to please stay home ..and to make matters worse he was only a little guy ,that didn't wanna watch his mommy die:(
 
^ That.

I did some stoopid and nasty things I shouldn't have done for crack - but only spur of the moment compulsive, fiending stuff. It's soon just a grotty memory best forgotten cos they're only ever binge drugs, in my opinion. Seriously bloody long binges sometimes but always a temporary insanity slept off sooner or later. Some of the things I did for heroin keep me awake to this day. Nothing vicious or violent or vindictive once - the devious deviance you'll deploy on even your closest friends when you need heroin is about as low as it gets, in my opinion. I justified stealing from friends by telling myself they'd understand why I had to do it - it's seemed better than burglary and bag snatching or whatever. You will do anything it takes if you are addicted enough but nothing comes close to heroin in the knowingly devious stakes.
 
This belongs in drug culture, no?

I haven't had anything bad happen to me so far from the harder drugs... my friends aren't into that stuff.

So far my worst experiences with drugs is that twenty bags of weed are not ever grams anymore. If its a strain, you are going to get from .5-.7 grams of product. They are not grams anymore, they are dubs, you pay twenty and you get whatever the fuck they feel like giving you.
 
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^ That.

I did some stoopid and nasty things I shouldn't have done for crack - but only spur of the moment compulsive, fiending stuff. It's soon just a grotty memory best forgotten cos they're only ever binge drugs, in my opinion. Seriously bloody long binges sometimes but always a temporary insanity slept off sooner or later. Some of the things I did for heroin keep me awake to this day. Nothing vicious or violent or vindictive once - the devious deviance you'll deploy on even your closest friends when you need heroin is about as low as it gets, in my opinion. I justified stealing from friends by telling myself they'd understand why I had to do it - it's seemed better than burglary and bag snatching or whatever. You will do anything it takes if you are addicted enough but nothing comes close to heroin in the knowingly devious stakes.
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Hey there, Thanks for replying to that post, I don't feel so all alone...and as I was reading your post I remembered that my sister was my side kick in the game, she did not have a car, but I did. Sometimes she couldn't get out to ride with me and she would give me a couple 100 and I would go and come back and say I got robbed ????? She would be crawlin with dope sickness and I would just get in my car and tell her I would try to get something for her. I would never go back OMG that is imaginable today for me. I told her one day that as long as we were in the game I wouldn't consider her my sister. I think that helped me disconnect from what I was really doing to her. I was robbing my own sister of EVERY bag SHE bought wtf ??...and for the record that occurred while I was on heroin. We ran together on that bull shit for 3 years...She shot me up in the bathroom on my wedding day????????????????? I feel so bad that I could decieve my husband in THAT way. But I am also aware that it was not me that day..herion has a mind of it's own and when it is in your head,:| your done....:X
 
Heroin and crack, i'd can attest, know many addicts of these drugs who would stral the eyes out of your head. Unfortunately.
 
in my experience

alcohol
benzos

i know people who while using those, or the combination especially, feel invincible.. go out & rob drug dealers in the ghetto.. all kinds of crazy shit
 
^Yeah, people sometimes do fucked up stuff for benzos and alcohol.

I think the fact that crack destroys dopamine neurons makes the need for a subsequent fix, and the willingness to do anything for it, stronger then with heroin. The crack and methheads that I know are definitly more willing to do fucked up shit for a fix then the other drug addicts I know. The crackheads and metheads also seem more sketchy generally what with the paranoia induced by meth and crack.
 
PCP hands down.. assholes threw my car while i was in it.... and my insurance was like ya we don't cover that. Sure enough, the fine print says 'not liable for any damage obtained by car throwing angel dust users'

dont fuck with that shit im tellin ya
 
kbrad said:
PCP hands down.. assholes threw my car while i was in it.... and my insurance was like ya we don't cover that. Sure enough, the fine print says 'not liable for any damage obtained by car throwing angel dust users'

dont fuck with that shit im tellin ya
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Yeah, that tops the out of the ordinary of devious.

But, it has nothing to do with a devious schemer, I see you are still right, but not for this thread.
 
The answer to this question would probably be the drug that is the most addicting. Or it could be any very addicting DOC and depend on how high of a dose or how deep of a habit the addict gets into. A lot of variables could go into this. I dont have any personal experience really with knowing a severe addict, to me it seems like crack-heads and meth addicts have the worst reputations. Of course there are also pharmacy robberies fresh in my mind mostly for ther hillbilly heroin.
 
In 1997-1998 i lived in the "war zone" of OB across from dog beach. The apartements across the street were full of tweekers and got busted by hazmat once ( meth lab). There were hard core alcoholics. Us ( the heroin adicts that smoked home made crack) and a tinny group of hippies. The alcies were miserable asholes. We had the connects come to the house. A crazy tweaker moved in because he knew 2 of the room mates. He tried to organize all kinds of criminal acts. Were as there were no major crimes, when the tweakers would come by things like bikes or flashlights, ect... would disappear. It depends on the person and their desperation but tweaking seems to turn people more scandoulous than other drugs. Crack heads and heroin addicts or alcoholics/ pill heads might do things out of desperation to get their DOC. Tweakers seem, in my experience and there are exceptions to do bizarre compulsive or impulsive acts like taking things appart, cleaning or rearanging compulsively often creating other messes, mowing lawns and working on cars at 4 in the morning, stealing compulsively and masturbating or having hot nasty sex for hours or days on end.
 
I've never had any sort of experience with meth, but I think crack wins hands down.

Reason for this is that when you use crack, it tends to disappear a lot more quickly than any other drug, and it's also expensive. I hate to admit it but I used to do it a couple years ago, though I haven't touched it since. We used to do all sorts of shit...

For example, one time we told some hippie kids at the high school we were going to that we had some acid to sell them, and we proceeded to sell them little snips of toilet paper that we told them were hits of acid, and I swear to god they fell for it.. it was actually pretty hillarious.

With crack there's also pretty much no such thing as a teammate, everyone is out for themselves and I'm sure many are familiar with how much people can fight each other for a hit. When I was 16/17 I was dumb enough to fall for this dude telling me that he needed to let the dealer borrow my police radar detector as collateral, needless to say I never saw that radar detector again.

Crack tends to last a very short amount of time as opposed to heroin. I remember making like 4 trips in one night to repeatedly score crack and we all came up with schemes on how to continue smoking more crack.

On the bright side though, in the long-term a crack addiction is much, much easier to quit than a heroin addiction, and I don't think a crack addiction haunts you nearly as much later in life the way heroin does. Quitting crack was as easy for me as saying that spending my time doing this shit just isn't worth it anymore, and I'd be much better off spending this time maintaining a healthy social life.
 
What has heroin done for me???? It took my soul, it took my dignity,it stole my conscious, it made me heartless, it made me cry, it made me lie, it made me steal,it made me evil, it gave me blood infections, it made me bleed, it made me bruise, it made me feel like I couldn't loose, it took my will, .......so can anyone tell me if it has done anymore then this for them...I would love some add on's to myself induced misery....I know I missed something....help a recovery junkie out...I am SURE there is something I have left out..:(:D;):X
 
Funny, I actually had endocarditis.. or was it myocarditis?

Either way I actually had a heart valve infection, and it only got to be discovered after I ODed pretty bad. In a way I guess you could say I was lucky to have ODed.

They gave me some anti-biotics and it went it away, I'm glad it was taken care of.

But to the above, most of that negative stuff that happens really does have to do with the illegal nature of it, I for one have never done something illegal like stealing to support my habit, honest to god I chose to be dopesick over doing that.

Crack on the other hand changes your neurochemistry in such a way that you're much, much more likely to steal and do other things of that sort.
 
But to the above, most of that negative stuff that happens really does have to do with the illegal nature of it, I for one have never done something illegal like stealing to support my habit, honest to god I chose to be dopesick over doing that. ....MY QUETE BUTTON DIDNT WORK so that was from STRAIGHT DOPE.... and I said.....

I want to stick up for me on this one... lol.... I only stole money from my husband and mother (WTF DID I JUST SAY ONLY????) No but seriously I never stole from someones house or a store and I never had to resort to prostitution to feed my addiction I was more manipulative then anything..=D
 
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In my experience opiates, cocaine, and alcohol seem to create attachments that can grow into deviousness.
 
Stimulants...probably Crack, Meth, and coke in that order...opiates like Heroin, Fentanyl, and Oxy will have people fiending, but not nearly as bad as a crack head or meth addict IME.
 
Crack, because it doesn't last long usually makes people do desperate acts like suck dick in public bathrooms, ect...Tweak, on the other hand, last a long time so it promotes people talking a scheming on ways to get cash for their next fix. It also has a way of eroding moral fiber like no drug I've seen-people tweak long enough to come up with all kinds of scandolous plans. With opiates- there might be a plan to quit, ect... while high but being sick motivates people to do scadolous things. Difference is that there is much less premeditation- the defining characteristic. Dexedrine maintaineance I believe would decrease the degree of scandolousness. Opiate replacement for sure.

Cannabis on the other hand, you get some scandolous people, but alot of people that are relatively trustworthy. Alcohol causes a fair degree of selfishness, higher than cannabis; LSD is one drug were I've deen people actually adopt a higher moral code. MDMA, if overused can lead to a moral ambiguity.
 
kbrad said:
PCP hands down.. assholes threw my car while i was in it.... and my insurance was like ya we don't cover that. Sure enough, the fine print says 'not liable for any damage obtained by car throwing angel dust users'

dont fuck with that shit im tellin ya
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How does someone throw a car?

Back on topic, I would say Meth, Crack and Heroin.

I've seen people on their hands and knees, picking thru the carpet for hours looking for imaginary rocks to smoke.

I've seen an outrageously hot chick offer a guy a BJ in exchange for his last hit of Crack only to see him turn her down and choose that last hit instead.

I then went and picked a little chunk of soap out of the motel room bathroom, got a BJ from the hottie and then gave her the "rock" and then split.

That was a long, long time ago. (20 years ago)

I heard she wasn't too happy about it.
 
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