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Pickledlemons said:
I don't mean to open a can of worms with this, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that we don't really have freewill and that everything that happens, could not have happened any other way. Its not really a comforting thought, I but I think it has a high probability of being true. And with that in mind, I agree that the future should be everybody's primary focus. I would go further to say the ONLY purpose of regret is to learn. So learn, but don't stew.
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I actually wholey and 100% believe this is the case.

But I also think it doesn't matter. Free will is an illusion. I believe that. And once something happens I believe it was never going to happen any other way. (Or to phrase this better, once something happens, it was never going to happen another way, and that was always the case, but we didn't know that until it happened)

But it's important not to mix what might literally be true from some kind of godlike view of the universe, from what are pragmatically useful ways to live life.

Acting as if everything is preset is not a good way to live life. Even if it might actually be true. And indeed, say because you believe everythings preset, you do nothing, and miss opportunities someone else might have had had they had a different belief. Even if you're technically right that that was always going to happen. It was always going to happen because you did the stupid unhelpful thing of not even trying.

Essentially. Whatever happens is whatever was going to happen. But we don't have foreknowledge of what that thing is. So for all practical purposes you should assume you DO have free will in the hopes that your preset future is a better one that it might be if you had been predestined to follow a more fatalist path.

Or even more basically. It's all predetermined, but also you should act as if you have free will. Because from your vantage point, it might as well be true.
 
Since I have started to look at the world this way, I think I have become more compassionate, less able to hate people and more able to understand why people are the way they are. So I don't think its always necessarily beneficial to pretend there is free will, but I totally get what you are saying; choices matter whether we have free will or not.
 
Pickledlemons said:
I don't mean to open a can of worms with this, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest that we don't really have freewill and that everything that happens, could not have happened any other way. Its not really a comforting thought, I but I think it has a high probability of being true. And with that in mind, I agree that the future should be everybody's primary focus. I would go further to say the ONLY purpose of regret is to learn. So learn, but don't stew.
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Technically there's not much evidence to support your thesis.
While, yes, surrounding factors like genetics, upbringing, mental issues, etc. pp, do play a gigantic role, i give you that,
but you're always able to say yes or no. Apple or banana. This is not predestined, you still have the choice.
And yes, your personality makes you take decisions in a certain rhythm, but it's possible to change the rhythm.
Just because you used to always say "no" to everything does not mean you have to continue.

The choice is yours, and nobody can take that away from you
 
December Flower said:
Technically there's not much evidence to support your thesis.
While, yes, surrounding factors like genetics, upbringing, mental issues, etc. pp, do play a gigantic role, i give you that,
but you're always able to say yes or no. Apple or banana. This is not predestined, you still have the choice.
And yes, your personality makes you take decisions in a certain rhythm, but it's possible to change the rhythm.
Just because you used to always say "no" to everything does not mean you have to continue.

The choice is yours, and nobody can take that away from you
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Unless I missed it noone said anything about generics, upbringing or mental issues. And it certainly wasn't what I had in mind.

What I had in mind was physics, and its seemingly entirely deterministic nature at classical scales.

You may perceive a choice. But every choice is influenced by the environment and a chain of cause and effect deterministically traceable forward and backwards if only you could have a full picture of events.

It just seems random because of the chaotic nature of the system. But a chaotic system is still a predetermined one. With the initial starting conditions predetermining everything for the systems entire lifespan.

That's what I think of when I think of a determined universe.
 
Foreigner said:
LSD. It threw me off my life path by showing me things that made it impossible to live life as a mundane ego after that. It destroyed all my personality-level stability. Some gates should not be opened, not if you want to live a functional and fulfilling life.
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I agree. Being a spun out hippy would be good if you were a farmer or something, otherwise its not healthy
 
Coffeeshroom said:
Love.. or for me it was like a drug just one you can't really buy or just pick up. The most expensive one off them all cause you pay with your soul
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Actually, yes, this is one. I spent most of my life growing up alone, and was content. Then I became codependent for 10 years and when I became single, I got into hard drugs. Trying to fill that void. 3 years later, and the void is only worse.
 
Coffeeshroom said:
Love.. or for me it was like a drug just one you can't really buy or just pick up. The most expensive one off them all cause you pay with your soul
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If you don't think a regular drug can cost your soul I submit that you haven't experienced a severe long term desperate heroin addiction.
 
Haldol. Because once you start, doctors feel they have a free ride to prescribe and give you every and any antipsychotic they choose. It's never your choice tho, there's always a catch. LIke you're not leaving the hospital until you take your meds.
 
ions said:
Haldol. Because once you start, doctors feel they have a free ride to prescribe and give you every and any antipsychotic they choose. It's never your choice tho, there's always a catch. LIke you're not leaving the hospital until you take your meds.
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Yeah, my mental health declined signifigently after getting on antipsychotics and antidepressants after being forced to take them.
 
Coffeeshroom said:
I guess not then...
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Well. I'm not you. I don't know what you've experienced and I don't mean to sound invalidating your experience. I'm sorry it it came off like that. To be fair we all react to things differently.

You tell me, what do you think?

Cause my experience has been that heroin addictions definitely felt like it cost a part of my soul. And I've been in love and in bad relationships. Those are certainly draining. But I can't say it felt the same. They didn't make me hate myself anything like my heroin habit did.
 
Tobacco is the only one I regret, but the odds were against me since I was exposed to cigarette smoke early on. It's pretty much a worthless drug.
I'm semi proud of myself because I didn't become a regular cig smoker, but I still consume it mixed with weed.
 
Tramadol hcl when I was 14 - It was the gateway to opiate addiction for me for the next 8 years.
Heroin when I was 19 - This really destroyed my life at a pivotal time and I barely graduated high school, when I had previously been a mostly straight A student.
Methamphetamine when I was 17 - This didn't actually become a problem until my early 20s, but I was never using regularly. I went on a wild run that I nearly died from and I'm sure I shaved a good number of years off my life in doing so...
Tobacco when I was 12, it's a gross and expensive habit that I just quit this year after 19 years of that crap.

With all that said, facing that kind of adversity and overcoming it did make me a stronger man. It also made me much more empathetic and understanding of other people. I have been able to help others without judgement and with first hand knowledge of how very rough addiction can be. I have 9 years clean off of Heroin and 6 years off of Methamphetamine. I've been scripted Tramadol for a bad shoulder, but it's too dangerous for me and I have cut that out now too. There really isn't any point in living in regret and what happened, happened.
 
December Flower said:
Technically there's not much evidence to support your thesis.
While, yes, surrounding factors like genetics, upbringing, mental issues, etc. pp, do play a gigantic role, i give you that,
but you're always able to say yes or no. Apple or banana. This is not predestined, you still have the choice.
And yes, your personality makes you take decisions in a certain rhythm, but it's possible to change the rhythm.
Just because you used to always say "no" to everything does not mean you have to continue.

The choice is yours, and nobody can take that away from you
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Actually there's evidence for it. Look up the libet experiment(s) (there are 3 of them IIRC), they're not flawless but still provide important insight. Also a well presented argument against free will does make a lot of sense logically.
But let's not go off topic ^^
 
JessFR said:
Well. I'm not you. I don't know what you've experienced and I don't mean to sound invalidating your experience. I'm sorry it it came off like that. To be fair we all react to things differently.

You tell me, what do you think?

Cause my experience has been that heroin addictions definitely felt like it cost a part of my soul. And I've been in love and in bad relationships. Those are certainly draining. But I can't say it felt the same. They didn't make me hate myself anything like my heroin habit did.
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All i can add that I am an H addict which i barely have under control atm with me moving over to subutex But i guess love can't really mentioned as a drug but more of a need and want. And especially if you have had the real deal and then lost it. With a H addiction there is always an answer to the problem but with love, i feel there isn't. Anyhow i don't want to derail this thread and at the same time I meant no disrespect towards you
 
Coffeeshroom said:
All i can add that I am an H addict which i barely have under control atm with me moving over to subutex But i guess love can't really mentioned as a drug but more of a need and want. And especially if you have had the real deal and then lost it. With a H addiction there is always an answer to the problem but with love, i feel there isn't. Anyhow i don't want to derail this thread and at the same time I meant no disrespect towards you
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I meant no disrespect either. I shouldn't have spoken in such absolute terms in my original post.

I do totally get framing love as a kind of drug. In many ways I think that's an apt description. It's just been my experience that heroin is far more soul destroying than my experiences with love.
 
Zephyn said:
I agree. Being a spun out hippy would be good if you were a farmer or something, otherwise its not healthy
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I stupidly wanted to become enlightened.

I had no idea that seeing the truth would render my entire life meaningless.

You don't need to be enlightened to be happy. Most people who are reasonably smart and resourced can organize their lives to reduce suffering and maximize pleasure/contentment. If I had just gone that route I'd be way better off than I am now.
 
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