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Necotu

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If I understood correctly, acidic environment is not good for MDMA, thus stomach filled with C vitamin or similar can neutralize MDMA if taken soon afterwards.

What kind of drinks can do that too? I read that carbonated drinks have some acid in it too.. dont know if that ammount is relevant, wine should also contain some acids.

And (I know this is crazy) if I empty a pill of A,C and E vitamins and selenium (clean it) and fill it with MDMA , I suppose some "micro leftovers" cant hurt the MDMA ?

About drinks, I assume that 1 1/2 hour before or after dosing doesnt make any difference... but, still I would like to know should I drink som beer close to dosing.

And what about strong alcoholic drinks - vodka, whiskey etc ?
 
I can at least say alcohol doesn't seem to have any effect, for me at least. I've thought that, too, like "maybe I shouldn't drink too much beforehand cuz what if the alcohol like eats the mdma???" but I usually end up getting pretty drunk "on accident" every time I've dropped lately, and I don't see a difference.
 
I personally have never found any drinks prior to popping spoil the roll - acidic / alcoholic or otherwise. Obviously though - dont go drinking a litre of fresh orange juice / lemon juice or vodka prior to popping as that would make you ill anyway.

You will be fine with emptying the capsule and filling with MDMA -the tiny amount of vitamins left over will not spoil your roll.
 
I once put half an E pill in a bottle of flavored water, and I was going to give that to a friend and they said it didnt work in water, a long with several other people.

Ive heard of E pills in water/drinks in plenty of rap songs, and I ended up drinking it and it worked slightly... so does putting pills in water really make them not work?

Somthing about water destroying MDMA?
 
Folley said:
I once put half an E pill in a bottle of flavored water, and I was going to give that to a friend and they said it didnt work in water, a long with several other people.

Ive heard of E pills in water/drinks in plenty of rap songs, and I ended up drinking it and it worked slightly... so does putting pills in water really make them not work?

Somthing about water destroying MDMA?
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MDMA doesn't go into solution for shit. Most likely there was residual powder stuck to the bottle after emptying it. And being that it was only half a pill it's possible that even if it were a small amount sticking to the bottle it would be enough to severely dampen your roll.

Alot of people will dump their molly in a glass of water and chug it but you have to make sure you refill and rechug once or twice to get it all.
 
Penthos said:
MDMA doesn't go into solution for shit. Most likely there was residual powder stuck to the bottle after emptying it. And being that it was only half a pill it's possible that even if it were a small amount sticking to the bottle it would be enough to severely dampen your roll.

Alot of people will dump their molly in a glass of water and chug it but you have to make sure you refill and rechug once or twice to get it all.
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Well im not too worried about residue, but does MDMA go in water without the molecules being damaged?

Like say if Im rolling, and I put a pill in a bottle of water and drink it through out the night to boost my roll a little bit at a time. Everyone at the time (a bunch of ravers) said this didnt work and that they have tried it and its a waste of a pill, but I hear it in rap songs from the Bay all the time

"Dont pop pills but a nigga drink some"
"Straight water with the pills in it, if it aint triple stacks boy I aint with it"
 
Penthos said:
MDMA doesn't go into solution for shit. Most likely there was residual powder stuck to the bottle after emptying it. And being that it was only half a pill it's possible that even if it were a small amount sticking to the bottle it would be enough to severely dampen your roll.

Alot of people will dump their molly in a glass of water and chug it but you have to make sure you refill and rechug once or twice to get it all.
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Actually MDMA (HCl salt) is freely soluble in water. It's only pill binders/cellulose/random crap that doesn't dissolve. You should easily be able to dissolve 100-200 mg in 5-10 mL of water. Don't believe me? You should read the thread on plugging using a syringe :)

Also, water will not damage MDMA. You could store it in water in the absence of sunlight (and not open to the air) for years. It's a very stable molecule. Dissolving in liquid and drinking is a viable ROA, but it's generally a good idea to use a smaller volume of liquid (like the size of a shot glass). If the liquid volume is too large, some of the MDMA is likely to just pass through your system without being absorbed.
 
CandidChemist said:
If the liquid volume is too large, some of the MDMA is likely to just pass through your system without being absorbed.
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Do you have a source for this? I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious, because this method is how I always take my molly, and this last time, I used more water than I usually do, and didn't roll pretty much at all. Just curious if this is your hypothesis or an actual fact.
 
i really doubt it'll do anything. i always drink beofre i roll, alcoholic or non-alcoholic drinks, and usually actually id drink fizzy drinks and fruit juices. i really dont think it matters tbh. ive never not rolled cuz i had too much liquid in my stomach...
 
I Care Because You Do said:
Do you have a source for this? I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious, because this method is how I always take my molly, and this last time, I used more water than I usually do, and didn't roll pretty much at all. Just curious if this is your hypothesis or an actual fact.
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That's a good question :) I guess it's an idea I picked up when I first learned basic pharmacokinetics - a drug's concentration in the blood will depend on it's rate of absorption vs. rate of elimination from the body. The rate of absorption (passive diffusion, active transport etc.) should be slower when the drug substance is present in the stomach/intestines in lower concentration (i.e dissolved in a larger volume). I don't really have a good source for that off the top of my head, but I will check a textbook tomorrow :)

What I DO know offhand is that something like 50-70% of MDMA from an oral dose can be recovered unchanged in the urine. (reference: de la Torre R, Farre M, Ortuno J, et al. Non-linear pharmacokinetics of MDMA ('ecstasy') in humans. Br J Clin Pharmacol 2000;49:104-9; you can send me a message if you'd like a pdf of the article)

A significant amount just passes through without getting metabolized - so anything that slows absorption like a large amount of liquid or especially solid food in your stomach could cause this number to vary significantly. (If only 30-50% is actually absorbed, that ~20% range observed is a big deal: 30% vs. 50%?) On top of that, MDMA is also known to have a non-linear pharmacokinetic profile (absorption vs. dosage size) which complicates things further.

I expect that you would have to drink A LOT of water to have a major effect though since the drug is already dissolved (thus speeding up absorption) vs. the rapid gastric elimination of water. Still, depending on how full your stomach is already, it's probably best to dissolve it in a minimum amount of water to obtain maximum absorption.
 
Folley said:
So I can get high again if I drink my pee after I roll?
Bear Grylls is going to love ecstasy
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yes, BUT with a biological half life of ~6-10 hours, you would have to somehow collect ALL of your urine for 45-70 hours after the time of initial dose and then somehow render it concentrated enough to allow for efficient re-absorption.


eww.
 
CandidChemist said:
Actually MDMA (HCl salt) is freely soluble in water. It's only pill binders/cellulose/random crap that doesn't dissolve. You should easily be able to dissolve 100-200 mg in 5-10 mL of water. Don't believe me? You should read the thread on plugging using a syringe :)
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Hmmm...Without heating or vigorous agitation? Guess I need to re-evaluate how "pure" my molly actually is. rawwr.
 
Penthos said:
Hmmm...Without heating or vigorous agitation? Guess I need to re-evaluate how "pure" my molly actually is. rawwr.
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I would say vigorous agitation yes, heating no. ~150 mg should easily dissolve in ~1 ounce of hard alcohol with a little bit of stirring. I've done it many times.
 
Your stomach acids are just that: acid. Most people manage to swallow their pills and dump them in the acid (mostly HCL) in their tum tums without breaking down the mdma.
 
Good god - please lets not start the myth that drinking ravers urine will get you rolling. The last thing I need when trying to have a pee at an event (hard enough at the best of times) is someone giving me a light show and asking me to pee in his mouth. (meth addict stories :().

@Candidchemist - what I can not understand (based on your reference) is the massive difference between dose taken / dose expelled when you increase the dose? Too early in the day to think pharmacokinetics 8(
 
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