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I made a post about my five day come downs and people are telling me its because I am taking too much (200 mg split in two doses). However , I feel like I need this much in order to really roll.

Maybe its because I just romanticized the effects of MDMA from reading so many people say its the best drug ever and that its the most wonderful feeling and all that jazz. For me, I dont get anything close to those type of effects if I don't take a huge dose.

I tried 120 mg and it was pleasant but I would say shrooms, LSD, mescaline, opiates, cocaine, alcohol and cannabis have all given me much more euphoric, ecstatic experiences than MDMA at this dosage. Ive rolled four times so far, with different MDMA that every else said was very good and it's just not that great to me, unless I take a huge dose. I am actually taking it for theareputic reasons and not recreational and I feel like I need a big dose in order to break through my layers of resistance and actually get in touch with the damaged broken parts of myself. A low dose just makes me feel good, but not in any deep insightful empathetic way. I only feel the love, the empathy/compassion for myself and others on huge doses.

Is this normal?
 
EDIT: how long are you waiting between rolls, and what are you indulging in between them (if anything)?


200mg personally. It may be a case of setting for me, but I only take it when I go out clubbing (every few months, currently just a few days past 3 month break right now). I've tried 150mg to see if 'less is more' applies to me or if I legitimately need more just to achieve the results I desire, and it was exceptionally underwhelming and disappointing.

I can say with relative certainty that my MDMA is 'pure' - I obtained a decent amount of tested crystal from a source that would suggest it very likely hadn't been cut just yet, and am only just getting to the end of my personal supply :( not looking forward to finding more, especially when I discover I need more than 200mg to get the same roll going on as I do now haha.


FWIW I'm a 'hardhead' in that I seemingly need more of any substance to achieve the same level as others do, or perhaps it's just because I'm a wanker who prefers a much more obvious and intense effect than a subtle one. Either way, 200mg of 'pure' crystal is my initial dose, followed by ~90mg 1-1.5hrs later.
 
I am waiting at least month in between and I use psychedelics and herbs (like kava, kratom, valerian, etc) in between. But it sounds like you are the same as me, needing 200 mg. Doses closer to 100 mg I just don't feel like I'm "there" so to speak. The "magic" people talk about I only experience on higher doses. I dunno if that can change in the future, maybe if I get better at working with MDMA.

Like I said, I wish to use it for emotional healing, an area in which it definitely seems to have promise. On my last dose, I felt human emotions like empathy and compassion which had blocked in me for years. I want to get more in touch with my emotions but I don't want to damage my brain or suffer five day come downs. What is the best dose to use? Is it possible with more experience I can somehow learn to work with lower doses? I feel like on high doses I break through into a different way of looking at myself/emotions, whereas on lower doses my ego resistance is too strong and the experience is nothing more than a buzz.
 
burn out said:
I made a post about my five day come downs and people are telling me its because I am taking too much (200 mg split in two doses). However , I feel like I need this much in order to really roll.

Maybe its because I just romanticized the effects of MDMA from reading so many people say its the best drug ever and that its the most wonderful feeling and all that jazz. For me, I dont get anything close to those type of effects if I don't take a huge dose.

I tried 120 mg and it was pleasant but I would say shrooms, LSD, mescaline, opiates, cocaine, alcohol and cannabis have all given me much more euphoric, ecstatic experiences than MDMA at this dosage. Ive rolled four times so far, with different MDMA that every else said was very good and it's just not that great to me, unless I take a huge dose. I am actually taking it for theareputic reasons and not recreational and I feel like I need a big dose in order to break through my layers of resistance and actually get in touch with the damaged broken parts of myself. A low dose just makes me feel good, but not in any deep insightful empathetic way. I only feel the love, the empathy/compassion for myself and others on huge doses.

Is this normal?
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Could be that your drugs are somewhat impure (or even something else). Did you test them? I know, even with all the different drugs I tried, MDMA was one of the most profound things I have ever felt the first time I did it
 
About 150mg of as-pure-as-possible MDMA, with no tolerance, if you're average size/weight etc and have no particular sensitivity (or lack of) to drugs, should get you FUCKED.

It could certainly be a purity issue. All my friends used to go out like weekly doing half grams in a night. I introduced them to my source, which I had GC/MS'd at 98.6% pure, and one 130mg cap had everyone just GONE. One girl took two and said she'd never been so fucked in her life, she was a puddle. Another dude who is the heaviest MDMA user I know snorted one and took three over the night and he was mashed beyond repair. You should have seen him afterwards, damn he was absolutely fried.
 
Setting is really important with mdma. music especially. stop trying to focus on the fact you aren't fucked up enough (easy way to ruin a roll) and just let yourself go with the experience....getting a good roll has a big mental component to it. also if you do it once a month its just not as good as waiting 3 months+

personally 200 is unpleasant. 150 has been ideal for me, its subtle drug...not supposed to be like tripping.

even shulgin said that "nothing happened" when he took mdma...even though he felt amazing.
 
terarc said:
About 150mg of as-pure-as-possible MDMA, with no tolerance, if you're average size/weight etc and have no particular sensitivity (or lack of) to drugs, should get you FUCKED.
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Yes, 150 mg of MDMA (actual honest to goodness MDMA) will have you in the state of:

OMFG i just want to kissyou Imeanireallywanttohugyou oooohhhummmm canihjustlayhereandplaywithyourhair? ummmoooh sheelooks reallyhot-sodoes he --wait WTF?? ooohhahhummm rubmynipples??

oh this is the best song everrr -- dance with me -- ohmygodmysweatyskinfeelssocool -- here-- feelmysweatyskin canifeelyoursweatyskin ?

(say this quickly and stilted) -- your eyes look really pretty, did anyone ever tell you that --youre so nice, and your skin is so smooth, can I hold your hand can I kiss you -- what's your name? ooh thats so pretty


OMG this so is so great dance with me -- have you seen my friends? do you know my friends? whats your name? youre really hot wannamakeout? boyfriend? is he here? oh you just came up? -- you wanna make out ? ok
 
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shugenja said:
Yes, 150 mg of MDMA (actual honest to goodness MDMA) will have you in the state of:

OMFG i just want to kissyou Imeanireallywanttohugyou oooohhhummmm canihjustlayhereandplaywithyourhair? ummmoooh sheelooks reallyhot-sodoes he --wait WTF?? ooohhahhummm rubmynipples??

oh this is the best song everrr -- dance with me -- ohmygodmysweatyskinfeelssocool -- here-- feelmysweatyskin canifeelyoursweatyskin ?

(say this quickly and stilted) -- your eyes look really pretty, did anyone ever tell you that --youre so nice, and your skin is so smooth, can I hold your hand can I kiss you -- what's your name? ooh thats so pretty


OMG this so is so great dance with me -- have you seen my friends? do you know my friends? whats your name? youre really hot wannamakeout? boyfriend? is he here? oh you just came up? -- you wanna make out ? ok
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Hahaha! I've oft said MDMA turns one quite effeminate. Not that it's a bad thing. But the amount of times I've woken up the next day and thought, "you soppy wally" remembering my speedy ramblings of the night before.
For me - With above average street crystal. 200mg to get going, and usually polish off a gram in a night. I do like to get hammered if I'm going to get hammered though.

Tolerance curve is also a bit unique with MDMA - The first 5 years I took it, 200mg would easily do me for a night. The following 10 years, and it went up to a gram a night (every couple of weeks or so). After that, I think my poor brain had had enough. I've attempted high doses a few times, but end up blacking out and then coming to a few hours later dancing on something strange. But low doses barely touch me. Shame really, I overdid it and spoilt the magic for good (story of my drug taking life TBH). Acid all the way for me now, that's my lot.
 
I have a lower tolerance than most for all other drugs but for some reason MDMA is the exception. Even with pure stuff it's not unusual for me and my friends to go through more than a gram a night each. Massively unhealthy but it feels good, I just get scared I will lose my high as I don't want it to end because that would suck obviously. So I keep taking more. Like snort 200mg. An hour later I'd probably bomb another 100mg. An hour and a half after that bomb another hundred. The night goes on for a while so u just keep taking more lol. The most I've ever done in a short period of time was 700mg in an hour. I wasn't in a good way, sweating lots and eyes rolling a bit.

The thing is when youre taking lots of MDMA in a night you start to feel yourself getting fucked up, you know that youre making bad decisions and getting way too high, but it feels good so fuck it. Lol
 
ShiaFuckingLaBeouf said:
I have a lower tolerance than most for all other drugs but for some reason MDMA is the exception. Even with pure stuff it's not unusual for me and my friends to go through more than a gram a night each.
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You THINK it's MDMA -- but its most likely not MDMA. After a gram of actual MDMA -- about 12-15 hours later you would have approximately 470mg combined of HMA,(~50 mg) HMMA,(~170mg) and MDA (~250mg) in your blood-- you would be tripping off the MDA and your roll would last for 24 hours plus

The MDMA converts to MDA -23-34% - then MDA converts to some methyl dopamine species

MDMA converts to HMA and HMMA both psychoactive amphetamines
 
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Sorry man but no way "lower tolerance than most" can be said in the same breath as "more than a gram a night each". You don't have MDMA, or what you do have is AT LEAST 50% inactive cut.
 
Precisely the reason I haven't learned how to use the deep Web! Having no connections is the best way to stay squeaky clean.
 
ShiaFuckingLaBeouf said:
I get my MDMA from the deep Web and I test it.
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Which reagents do you use? ALL? Marquis, Mecke, Mandelin, Simon's, Froedhe, Folin, Robadope, and Lieberman?

Did you know that many cathinones and piperazines do not react with the 3 m's Marquis , mecke, mandelin?

and the only reagents that react to piperazines are Folin and Lieberman?


And that a tiny bit of MDMA mixed with something that returns light blue, or doesn't react will still return a purple??

Unless it's GCMS -- a gram in a night ISN't MDMA

If it is GCMS tested and you take that much -- you are severely e-tarded and need to reel it in a bit
 
I only use Marquis. I'm pretty sure it's real MDMA though. Veteran users around me all say it's good shit. I don't understand why you're all shocked at a gram a night. After about 8-12 hours of rolling we stop feeling the effects of the MDMA anymore, we just keep taking more in order to feel normal. If we stopped we would start comedown and feel shitty.
 
You need to do some research shiafuckinglabeouf. Listen to what shugenja said dude. Marquis doesn't tell you you have MDMA it just tells you you have a chemical which reacts to give a positive purple black. That's all. It's called indicative testing. Tells you what it might be not what it is. Just 10% MDMA will show on a marquis. Something anyone who is selling bulk on DM or anywhere else will have made sure of before giving it to an amateur.
 
ShiaFuckingLaBeouf said:
I only use Marquis. I'm pretty sure it's real MDMA though. Veteran users around me all say it's good shit. I don't understand why you're all shocked at a gram a night. After about 8-12 hours of rolling we stop feeling the effects of the MDMA anymore, we just keep taking more in order to feel normal. If we stopped we would start comedown and feel shitty.
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My sentiments exactly. It was only if I took more than 350mg to start off I'd blow my head off. From there on in it's fiend fiend fiend until every crystal is gone.
 
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