Ziiirp
Bluelighter
Is this thread about Kratom anymore ? 
Partly this conversation seems like comedy (sorry if I am missing the urgency), couldn't you write the updates in a blog instead of continueing this chaotic (but funny) thread ? 
Serious :
If you both want to really quit, you HAVE to take a few days off work. A cold turkey (even with substitutions) will not work without being relatively duty-free, because you would not go to work with a flu, do you ?
You can ditch the following or take it as an advice.
TODO List to quit weak/mediocre opioids :
- obtain a few Loperamide (20 pills a 2mg should suffice for 2 weeks, take 2 a day the first week, later 1 if neccessary)
- obtain a lot of green tea, preferably a caffeine poor version (go to a specialized shop not a supermarket and ask an expert about it) and drink it all the time
- install a good single-player-rpg and/or music software on your computer and plan to invest a lot of time the next days (if this is virgin land for you ask via p.m. about titles)
- get the best current series and watch it in the mean time if you fed up with gaming/making music
- go running every other day (begin with 1km and work up to 5km) and weight lifting alternately (30-90 minutes a day)
- optional if you have big difficulties sleeping : get Melatonine and take 500 micrograms before sleep
- optional if it gets too difficult and you did not beat the dependency in 7 days: obtain a limited amount of gabaergics, i.e. daily very low doses (look up erowid for the threshold dose and do not take more!!!) for 2 weeks and cancel the connections for them for this period, delete the phone numbers/instant messenger contacts
Without having at least a week of free time it likely won't work.
Partly this conversation seems like comedy (sorry if I am missing the urgency), couldn't you write the updates in a blog instead of continueing this chaotic (but funny) thread ? Serious :
If you both want to really quit, you HAVE to take a few days off work. A cold turkey (even with substitutions) will not work without being relatively duty-free, because you would not go to work with a flu, do you ?
You can ditch the following or take it as an advice.
TODO List to quit weak/mediocre opioids :
- obtain a few Loperamide (20 pills a 2mg should suffice for 2 weeks, take 2 a day the first week, later 1 if neccessary)
- obtain a lot of green tea, preferably a caffeine poor version (go to a specialized shop not a supermarket and ask an expert about it) and drink it all the time
- install a good single-player-rpg and/or music software on your computer and plan to invest a lot of time the next days (if this is virgin land for you ask via p.m. about titles)
- get the best current series and watch it in the mean time if you fed up with gaming/making music
- go running every other day (begin with 1km and work up to 5km) and weight lifting alternately (30-90 minutes a day)
- optional if you have big difficulties sleeping : get Melatonine and take 500 micrograms before sleep
- optional if it gets too difficult and you did not beat the dependency in 7 days: obtain a limited amount of gabaergics, i.e. daily very low doses (look up erowid for the threshold dose and do not take more!!!) for 2 weeks and cancel the connections for them for this period, delete the phone numbers/instant messenger contacts
Without having at least a week of free time it likely won't work.
