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What does peace require?

balance was my first thought

Dedbeet said:
To resolve war within oneself, is the only way to resolve war. And the necessary first step is always to accept the fact of war within oneself, and one's need to finally confront it instead of passing both the blame and the solutions to the rest of humanity.

Peace...
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that sounded very jungnian to me, and i would have to agree


and when i said balance i mean in and out, within yourself but on the outside too, like the cold war, if he gets the bomb you balance it out by getting the bomb
 
Peace is not natural. All Expression Manifests; The Totality cannot exist without every Experience.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
Peace is not natural. All Expression Manifests; The Totality cannot exist without every Experience.
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Meaning you have to work your little ass off trying to be at peace with yourself and others. Unfortunately, not everyone else is going to follow your lead.

Peace within my own self is as good as it's going to get. But then again, if you can't do that for yourself, then why are you looking for everyone else to do the same thing?
 
I do not need peace in myself or with others. I am fluid and changing, but calm nonetheless.

And I'm not looking for anyone to do anything.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
I do not need peace in myself or with others. I am fluid and changing, but calm nonetheless.

And I'm not looking for anyone to do anything.
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Well, sure, you don't need peace in yourself all the time. But you also don't need food and water all the time or sleep all the time.

I'm willing to bet that you try to influence people to do something you want at one point or another. I'm not claiming you do it all the time. However, when we say "why can't people be more peaceful and kind?", it is your desire that people treat one another with kindness and respect. I'm sure others desire the same thing of you when you happen to let any anger outside of your core.
 
I didn't say anything about all the time. Never. I meant I never need peace.
Because fluids don't have corners.

I think I just do not have the same definition of peace as you..
Good will and being happy just come natural to me. I don't think of that as peace.
When I say peace, I mean a lack of conflict.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
I didn't say anything about all the time. Never. I meant I never need peace.
Because fluids don't have corners.
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Have you ever "Experienced" war? I'd imagine your ever fluent personality would find some edges.
Just because all you've experienced is peace (Non international conflict) does not mean you don't need it. I bet that you will find yearning for it under different circumstances. It kind of sounds like you're in your first year of Philo :\
 
What are you talking about?
I experience war all the time.
Physical war with stuff or people sometimes, but most often it's inside myself.
The fluid aspect of it all is due to the fact that I do not see this as war..
I see it as a natural part of my experience.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
What are you talking about?
I experience war all the time.
Physical war with stuff or people sometimes, but most often it's inside myself.
The fluid aspect of it all is due to the fact that I do not see this as war..
I see it as a natural part of my experience.
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Jesus Mary'n Joseph.
"I experience war all the time". Then you go on to clarify, Physical war with "stuff" or "people"-- "sometimes" "but most often inside myself"

For the record I normally don't pull out Picard:
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Please stop saying fluid like it has any relevance.
 
Peace would require a true equality and unlimited resources. As an intellectual I hated the athletes in school and the feeling was mutual. We are each playing our talents in competition. Some are financially rewarding and others less so.

I met an old druggy once who is now dying of kidney failure, he said something very profound once. "I never wish my enemies are having bad days or bad luck. I wish they are having their best day, so that they are so elated that they are not bothering wasting time trying to make my life miserable". He wishes them contentment so that they will leave him alone, thats a cool thing to wish for.

LOL to the fluids, seen Dr. Strangelove lately?
 
Peace shall come with harmony. harmony from within all humans. and harmony from within all humans from the acceptance of the wu wei
 
The experience of physical and national wars are just another expression of the idea of war, which can be present just as dangerously in oneself.

The point of it all was that war is a facet of Existence regardless of what anyone could ever achieve.
Even being at complete peace with oneself is not enough, because you're just a part of the whole.
And singularity, as the only exception, is not really a facet of Existence, since it's All of Existence.
So peace is a moot ideal.
 
Mydoorsarealwaysopen. I love that the words for peace and submission come from the same semetic root word. I have come to realise the same and its really liberating. My ulitmate high is stillness, being just where I am not striving, in a state of thankfulness and sometimes adoration.

In that state I'm not afraid of war or suffering or whatever is being manifested around me.. its submission but its powerful.

I submit to the fact that there is a time for everything war/peace, plenty and want (all a bit ecclesiasticy :)) and I have within me right here and now everything I need to live in this universe regardless of what is happening around me materially, physically or spiritually.

I also love what you said about each of us needing to submit to our roles for there to be peace. I think if everyone could submit to what they are immediately called to do or be and do or be it perfectly there would be a lot less suffering. Even if those roles are to wash dishes or to endure pain... they are the manifestation of perfect dish washers or perfect endurers at that time.
Their, or our acts, in this attitude are worshipful and always precious and are of service to
God, the collective consciousness, the universe or evolution.

Actually the words for 'worship' and 'serve' also come from the same root word.

Thanks for the posts :)

Peace and Love.

N
 
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