• Philosophy and Spirituality
    Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Threads of Note Socialize
  • P&S Moderators: JackARoe | Cheshire_Kat

What does peace require?

bottom line: an open heart. You could be living right in the middle of it, but without an open heart you will not see it, feel it, create it or experience it and therefore, for you, it cannot exist.
 
Nagelfar said:
Submission is not overtly negative. The most sublimated, non-zealotry, forms of Islam are proud of its meaning as such.

Peace is submission of oneself, justice is submission of others. The pursuit of peace can be ignorance, the pursuit of justice can be tyranny. Organization, order, structure, law & religion all require submissive relation to something beyond what is immediate and at hand.
Click to expand...

I like this understanding of it - it brings light to the meaning of submission beyond our conventional definition. In the practice of philosophy and spirituality one most submit themself. They must humble themselves to a greater force or belief or theory. That doesn't have to mean tyranny and control. It's all about recognizing something beyond ourselves - and its at that idea where the road branches out.

L2R said:
that's simply not true, nature is incredibly violent
Click to expand...

You can perceive nature as violent, but it is not inherently such. View it as more of a circle of life. By instinct, animals will predate upon other animals and kill for the purpose of survival. By definition, yes, you're right, it's perfectly reasonable to see it as violent - but that implies such negativity and it's that connotation which I want to dispel.


ninjadanslarbretabar said:
i see the internet as a feminine presence while wars are a male thing
back in pre agricultural time male would go hunting or try to find food, resources, see whats around, explore
and when you go hunting you mostly stfu
while around the fire camp you had woman organizing everything and having to be very vocal about it, and trying to name stuff
they would take care of kids and the old and the hurt
female are more down to earth because of their menstrual circle while male are more cerebral, they need to deal with more abstract concept when they go hunting
women stay on a more emotional level, they use intuition while male use thinking
but then our advantage was our brain and once thanks to women imo we evolved a language more and more articulate we used that language to plan wars against other tribe
and we did not connect with then on a emotional level, male played war outside the community while women played peace inside the community
but now with the internet we end up in a situation where we are all one big tribe physically and philosophically we all came from the same Mitochondrial eve and Y-chromosomal Adam
and we all came from africa and we all shared common ancestor with everything around us
so then who is the enemy, is it the other or the people who tell us there is such thing as the other
i really see a structure shift toward self governance from the bottom up instead of the top down
tho eventually both are gonna balance each other out
but female influence has being cast aside for the most part these few past thousand years
i guess its following a cycle and i guess its coming back
mother internet is taking us all into her electronic arm and prevents us to fight using the old ways
like the anonymous thing, where you cant judge someone by its skin color, or the way he dress or how fat or how tall how ugly how rich what religion, what country, what ideology you belong to...
and if you get angry you cant fight, you cant kill, you cant rape, you cant steal....
even if you are a pirate and you "steal" music or movies or books or software you aint stealing it, you duplicate, you make resources available for everyone for free
and that creates a mentality where you can believe that there is enough for every one
that it aint only kings and high priest that are allowed to be on top

peace might simply need a little more time ; )
Click to expand...

I really like this male/female aspect you bring up. Peace is about balance, and if it shifts... well look at us now. I think some sort of coalition between these two aspects, or maybe even total reversal is a possibility in the future. I see such events as imperatives for peace.
 
Last edited:
L2R said:
that's simply not true, nature is incredibly violent
Click to expand...

Nature doesnt pollute the oceans with toxic waste, cut down forrests and destroy animal habitats. Also, animals dont exhaust the supply of food. For example, a lion never kills so many gazelles that there are no gazelles left. He lets the gazelle repopulate to make sure that he will always have food.
 
^ well from what i know this is not true
volcanoes are extremely polluting
fire can destroy whole forest
and animals will exhaust his food supply, thats a common problem when you introduce a new species into a new ecosystem
most living form that ever existed has grown extinct for a reason, natural selection keeps destroying most of what is created trough genetic mutation

when it comes to polluting the ocean last year in the usa there was a oil spill that was men made but you dont need human for that, you could simply have some tectonic plate shifting because of some earthquake creating a gap where all that oil would have came out of there naturally

or how about ice ages destroying pretty much every living thing

the sahara desert use to thrive with life but nature is chaotic, and balance will arise out of chaos here and there but it always goes back to chaos
what we are trying to do is maintain balance in a very chaotic environment
be it in relation to nature or human nature
 
Last edited:
Volcanoes do pollute its true but are also necessary. It has been theorized that the Earths Atmosphere is a possible result from volcanic eruptions.

Peace is an illusion there is no such thing. People like to think that Nature is peaceful but it totally isn't. Life feeds on other life. Destruction leads to creation which leads back to destruction and so on and so forth. I agree with ^^^^ what is important is not achieving world peace but to maintain a balance. You can't have to much destruction or creation. Destruction is important because it keeps things in check. Creation replaces what is destroyed. Too much of either upsets the balance of things. For example too much of one species can make extinct another. Too much hunting of a species will destroy it as well.
 
ninjadanslarbretabar said:
^ well from what i know this is not true
volcanoes are extremely polluting
fire can destroy whole forest
and animals will exhaust his food supply, thats a common problem when you introduce a new species into a new ecosystem
most living form that ever existed has grown extinct for a reason, natural selection keeps destroying most of what is created trough genetic mutation

when it comes to polluting the ocean last year in the usa there was a oil spill that was men made but you dont need human for that, you could simply have some tectonic plate shifting because of some earthquake creating a gap where all that oil would have came out of there naturally

or how about ice ages destroying pretty much every living thing

the sahara desert use to thrive with life but nature is chaotic, and balance will arise out of chaos here and there but it always goes back to chaos
what we are trying to do is maintain balance in a very chaotic environment
be it in relation to nature or human nature
Click to expand...

I believe its safe to assume that anything of earth that appears to be destructive which arises without human interaction is beneficial on a big scale. Forest fires occur naturally but for good reason.

I'm glad you draw a distinction between nature and human nature - it's pretty important that people see the difference. On that, I think human nature attempts to instill order in the chaos, while nature itself is more about balance. A kind of balance that allows extremes to exist, but within time frames. The state we're living in now is extreme, and so was the ice age. Nature likes to reverse extremes every so often.
 
My Doors to answer your question

In some cases, yes. I believe its definitely true for example those people born "without that caring/empathy thing." Some sadistic serial killers were asked if they thought tbey were lacking what most people have and a couple gave having been without the ability to even have any concept of empathy. Maybe certain people were born with chronic anhedonia? Violence and rage has a way of making you feel powerful and a warped mind could turn it into evil is pleasure.

More often though, its all this pent up rage perhaps so those that are tore up from within express it through chaos and hate of some sort, as if throwing the torment out to others will make it leave them alone-but of course that only recycles that whole lower level energy. Its a soul sucker to be sure. Still, thats what so many misguided people turn to, chaos to feel empowered, but all it really does is deplete so they go for another round of hate and often violence is the result. To feel empowered in what they perceive as chronic powerlessness.
 
I believe it boils down to freedom of space, or resources, or autonomy; they're all the same as far as this is concerned. Peace and violence can go hand in hand, as both are necessary for long-term survival. War is the opposite of peace, not violence, IMO. War happens when there's not enough space for everyone to take a step back, reconsider their role in events, and seek resolution of a problem rather than elimination of said problem.

Lack of inner peace, therefore, comes from one perceiving themselves as "not enough" for resolution, so they self-destruct to eliminate the perceived problem.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top