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What comes next?

Well.. I'm hearing more and more about these Tripstacy tablets called "Triangles". Maybe Tripstacy? I'm not sure though.. A friend took one at a club and said it was an amazing night, though he was sitting and talk to people that didn't exist :) - Hehe

*Hugs*

Shal..
 
What is 'suitable' for a club varries from person to person. You might think no one would want to do K in a club but there have been DEATHS in the UK from people OD'ing on K in clubs. I've seen groups of people in clubs completely monged out staring at the ceiling on K in hard house clubs of all places. So dont think just because something isnt a stimulant people wont want to take it out.

And while im sure that alot of people would like to see 2CB make a dominant appearance in the club scene, its not going to happen. From what i know its quite difficult to produce and the necessary precursors are hard to come by. In short, its much cheaper to make ecstacy. People in australia complain about paying $30-40 for a pill, who is going to pay $50-60 for a single dose of 2C-B on a regular basis. Maybe it would enjoy a short burst of popularity if it ever became easily obtainable, but it would fade once people had tried it once or twice. Add to that the fact that its active dose is a) very small b) very different for different people and c) effects change drastically with very small differences in dose, its just not something that can be effectively pressed as pills and mass marketed, youre either going to end up with a bunch of dead clubbers, or people who thought they bought bunk pills.

I find Raider's comments very interesting. I think along these lines, the next revolution in artificial stimulation wil be with the advent of nano-technology, where people pay some large amount of money to be injected once with nanites that can are programed to produce the required electrical signals in the brain, and they are activated by a radio transmitter at the users discretion. Or posibly people will swallow them in a capsule and they will be activated by low frequency resonance (ie Bass) and shut themselves down after a period of time, or when out of radius of a centralised signal (transmitter at the club) so people only get that certain feeling while theyre at the club - perfect way to keep people coming back.
 
I agree with Robert for a bit. Personally i take speed and E only, and to be honest i would not enjoy that, actually, I DO NOT enjoy that in a backyard party. Its only in a clube environment that i enjoy it.
The main reason for this though is its about the music, the sound system the people dancing the flashing lights. Like others have said, thats the primary reason im at a club, the drugs just enhance it.

However, for the other varieties of drugs, (LSD, THC, GHB etc..) i dont take them, but i do feel that they would be inappropiate in a club.
 
While it is true MDMA is somewhat easier to synthesize from scratch than many phenethylamines (& tryptamines), it should be seen that as the more enterprising cooks become familiar with processes involved in producing MDMA, it is very likely other PEAs and AMPs will be attempted. This may be heavily restricted by availability of starting materials etc, but work among underground circles constantly reveals more simple routes to many of these compounds. 60 year old techniques involved with ring substitutions etc., are being "rediscovered" by clandestine chemists who aren't able to access high tech compounds and equipment used by todays companies working in legit syntheses.

While it can be expected that some precursors will be unobtainable for many cooks, for anyone who understands the system this will never likely be a problem (apart perhaps for a very small number of compounds...but even then...) While high level corruption continues to run deep, many supply houses would be reluctant to report anything which may come back on them. There may not be a direct threat of retaliation towards the company, but on an individual basis there is definitely concern. Think about it. A BIG syndicate goes down because of some freckle faced kid who followed procedure. The word inside the industry seems to be one of self preservation. Sure details are taken, but as to whether or not these are passed on is another matter altogether. In the end it is up to the discretion of the salesperson or their supervisor as to whether the order *appeared* suspicious.

As time goes on, sourcing anything sus will become more difficult. But's it's hard to imagine just how many drums of precursors possibly still exist which were purchased before the introduction of sales restrictions. I'm sure we'd all be astonished. As recently as 1996, a major chemical supplier representative then told me that apart from scheduled poisons & drugs, the only restricted chemical was ethanol, and that only involved pricing. An exemption certificate reduced the price considerably, but either way anyone could obtain it. It's therefore hard to imagine the enterprising underworld wouldn't have taken advantage of this lack of regulation. after-all, one would estimate the black market price for safrole to be in the order of 10-20 times higher than the wholesale value.

I also think that the recent clampdown on pseudoephedrine has led many cooks to explore the world of MDMA chemistry, as it's becoming more and more a choice between that and loosing a fat income. Pseudo will always be available, either through initially legit - then diverted- orders, or from the 3% contained in ephedra, but overall the costs/time of production will be higher. One thing is for sure in my eyes. We will see more shitty product, both from MDMA made without purification, and from meth made from alternatives to the pseudo routes. With the experimentation that will accompany discovery, you can betcha boots successes will prompt exploration of similarly produced compounds i.e 2CB etc. I have no doubts this is already happening in Australia.
 
From what i read on rhodium, synthesising amphetamines from pseudoephedrine was one of the worst ways to go about it....
 
From what i read on rhodium, synthesising amphetamines from pseudoephedrine was one of the worst ways to go about it....
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True, but in the hands of an inexperienced cook, besides being a very easy process to make work, it is also virtually a one pot reaction. In contrast, making meth starting from other easy to obtain materials involves several stages, each introducing more variables and potential for error.
 
not sure if itll be the next big thing in clubs, but Ice has certianly started to take off in recent times. leading on from here, I'm wondering if its theoretically possible to produce smokable crystal MDMA? Yeah I know there are alot of threads on smoking mdma already, but who knows, if it is possible and someone discovers a way to pack a 4 hour mdma high into 1 hour (ive never taken ice but this is what it seems to me) then Im sure itll take off... ill bet my pill stash on it!!
 
hehe, did anyone watch that episode of CSI about the MDxx-whatever-the-hell-it-was???

just thought i might bring that up
 
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haha, yeah i think i saw that one. where the pills had the logo of the company the guy works for?!?!

did anyone watch stingers last night??

it was so enlightening to find out that all the big time dealers, deal to little 13 years olds. and that they cut their pills with speed to get the little kiddies addicted!
it was lucky i watched that show, i wouldn't want to get addicted to these "Eccies"!! ;)
 
the ice age

thank you for some very interesting reading.......for better or worse it seems that "ice" is reallly here after many a media beatup half truth start.........and its dammm cheap......i am 29 and can control my actions...but if i was 17 with 30 bucks would i get 1 pill of unknowen quality that would last about 3 hours or go the "ice" with its 8 hour plus affects?...the rise of people who seem so blasie about smoking chemicals like they would a bong...including many reports here...scares the helll out of me...perhaps the rise of electro and electro-clash[which is my favorite music by the way] with its cold inhuman themes mirrors the rise of ice use in the public?.....i think problems are on the way for many a young person [and parent] who see ice as just onther weak"speed" like subtance...it is far more powerfull...i am seeing its affects among my peer group and work place. Anyhow let me know what you think...i am neither attacking or defending ice. It is just a tool like all drugs.:) :)
 
what p_d said. Ecstasy is an established BRAND, and alot of effort went into making MDMA as popular as it has become. from a purely marketing standpoint, new drugs will have to compete for, pardon the pun, consumer mindspace.

i venture to guess some "new" PEA's will emerge from the research scene into wider circulation clubs included, given increased availability from say Chinese suppliers, with legal (illegalizing) infrastructure continuing to lag by ~2 years (window of opportunity?) but few will become popular due to simply not having the recreational, empathogenic and general "party" value of Ecstasy.

as for nanotech, while the theoretics are in place (for those interested in "nannites" etc, Nanomedicine by Robert A. Freitas Jr is a grreat read), applicability remains ~20 years away, given rather optimistic growth projections. major apps now are still in materials science.

electrostim / brainwave generator devices / software show promise, although after experience with many over the years, from weird sunglasses to multimillion dollar, state classified machines involving tech you'll never see, i have yet to find one that reliably produces desired / predictable outcomes, and taking a SWAG, this will be the case for ~10 years.

on the other hand, i bet my Tony Lamas that BIG PHARMA has memorised and improved upon both of Shulgin's books, as well as all of Nicchols et al, and has a booty of goodies aimed not at relieving symptoms of disease but at making you feel good (and more) that will boggle 'ya primate ass mind (Viagra the first precedent), just awaiting the changing of policy, which they contribute to shaping.

think about it, they've been missing out on all the $$ from the illegal drug trade aimed at the "therapeutic" outcomes above described.
 
johnboy said:
where's the next big thing? probably being used in the gay scene right now... they are always aheead of the curve... k is sooo last century, darling ;)
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So why wasn't Rush(aka amyil) :p *bogan voice* Bloody queers....
 
i bet my Tony Lamas that BIG PHARMA has memorised and improved upon both of Shulgin's books, as well as all of Nicchols et al, and has a booty of goodies aimed not at relieving symptoms of disease but at making you feel good (and more) that will boggle 'ya primate ass
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This is a really good point.

I'm reminded of Iain Banks' The Business, where the multinational has tucked away its patents on devices anticipating the "inevitable" legalisation of cocaine... it's interesting to consider what big pharmaceutical companies might come up with if they were allowed to devote their massive infrastructure and research power to recreation.

When you combine that with their real political power, you have to wonder what their contingency plans and skunkworks projects look like.

*dream* 8)
 
from weird sunglasses to multimillion dollar, state classified machines involving tech you'll never see
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Wow, that sounds like a passage from Douglas Rushkoff's Ecstasy Club. How were you ever privy to such?


Yeah I agree about the applications of nano-tech. While exploring optical developments for applications in analylical equipment, I have recieved a subscription for "Photonics", a leading edge tech zine for spectral devices and their applications. Nano-technology is permitting things like variable defraction using miniture cogs and grating platforms. This is incredible shit. Other applications in lithographics promises to further shrink the size of everything. Around 1000x the present needs, resolution required to measure defects in laser etched silicon is expected to be < 0.001um or 1 nanometre by 2005.
 
Yeah I have been reading a lot of nanotech stuff on the net.... there's tonnes of links.... its pretty far out.... prince charles is totally againist the "grey goo"... paranoid that the "grey goo" will over take and wipe the human population....and the earth.
 
They say that Sci-fi writers pave the way and in Larry Nivens 'universe' there is a timed device that connects to a small 'plug' in your head, he compares the feeling to an orgasm that lasts. There were also ones that could be used from a distance which brought up the idea of running around 'hitting' people at random.
 
Ecstasy Club, now there's a resonating read!

"multimillion dollar, state classified machines involving tech you'll never see" - how was i privy? putting on the Boris Badunoff voice: "i could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you!"

seriously, i was doing a bit o'work for the CEO of one of the major Japanese zaibatsus and received some exposure.

also, a current side project is working on some biometrics stuff with former developers of certain very interesting hard and soft for the Soviet/Russian space program.

electronics apps of nanotech, i believe, will run into a gate width problem (when the circuit goes lower than say .8 nm any amount of current will blow the physical circuit, leak / distort current) fairly soon, unless this is already the case.

i for one, would like to see more convergence between genomics and custom synth work, ie constructing a designer drug targeted as per your specific genetic makeup and metabolic particularities, would certainly take care of recreationals' side effects like, um, comedowns. ;-)
 
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