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Opioids What can opiate withdrawal be compared to?

its hell. im w/ding from heroin right now. yesterday i actually did like 3 bags of dope (i usually do like 4-7. sniffed.) and 30mg roxi. i had the last of it at 2pm yesterday and its almost been 24 hrs. i had about 2 mg of suboxone and let me say. i still feel like crap. i guess thats what you get for feeling so pleasurably high.. you crash HARD.. i hope it gets better fast..
 
oliphill said:
I just came off opiates. Was on 70mg Methadone and about 600mg to 1700mg heroin a day.

I had my last use up, then went into rehab. They gave me 70mg methadone on day 1, then 50mg day 2 then 30mg day 3, then nothing.

It was the HARDEST thing I've ever done in my life. I was so fucking sick. Lieing in the bathroom puking and shitting, but far more concerned about having massive unbearable physical aches and pains, my legs Killing me, whole skeleton trying to escape my body, pouring in sweat, absolutlely freezing cold, mentally at the absolute limit of unbearableness, can't be even slightly comfortable in any way or form or relax at all. After the puking and shitting stopped, pain feels worse in legs, cant really describe it as pain, but just UNbearable feeling. Like if you were held under water and you get to the stage just before you die and stay at that stage forever. Total fucking hell. 100% awake, experiencing all this for 12 days 24 hours a day, not 1 wink of sleep at all in this peroid. Start to get 20mins to 1 hour of sleep after day 12. ABsolutley NO energy, still restless cant sit down, cant stand up, can't lie down. Cold, weak, achey, fluey, emotional, feeling of doom/despair. Eventually after 21 days starts to get a TINY bit better. Getting a bit more sleep, falling asleep about 4am and waking up at 6am in a cold sweat feeling like shit. Slowly the symptoms go away, like really fucking slowly...

All of this knowing with one quick hit in an INSTANT it would all go away!

I'm 41 days clean now, I am sleeping ok now, but still no energy and a bit achey.

Fuck me, it was absolute hell. Hardest thing I've ever done. NEVER again!!!!!
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LMAO!! Dont mean to laugh (seriously) but you described it perfectly! Except I had no methadone. I just straight cold turkey'd, at home. I went back (forced myself) to work 35 days later. That was some tough shit too. Completing any task w/o the feeling of being high was a tough one. I'm clean since Jan 4, 2010 and I still think about usin from time to time. But the W/D's is a good reminder of not wanting to go back. Good Luck to ya!
 
I have nothing new to add, it's all been said, but I'll just add my own personal experience for the hell of it.

At the beginning of the withdrawal it's like my whole world just completely falls apart, my eyes start to water like crazy, I feel like I just got my heart broken in the worst most life draining way possible, I feel like I've been hit in the stomach, then I usually have to run to the bathroom.....

at this point if I have some suboxone and take it it's like a mini miracle, because it takes away the worst parts of the wd for me, if not I'm fucked. I've never cold turkeyed an opiate habit without meds to help me so I feel fortunate for that. I learned early how much loperamide and benzos and naproxen can help....

even if you have all the right meds it's still highly uncomfortable the first couple days, I have only recently discovered the wonderful world of Heroin withdrawal, you think I would have learned my lesson with pills and pods...... Heroin wd's hit me fast and HARD but I still prefer them to Pod withdrawals because they don't last as long.

Overall it's Hell, there's nothing new to be said, everyone is going to have their own unique experience and personal most torturing wd symptom... However after a few days it's really beautiful in a weird way to see the world through non opiated eyes, everything seems much sharper, emotions come back with new depth


And then you want to get high again.
 
Nothing but opiate withdrawls themselves.

If you do not enjoy having the flu then dont do opiates because you will feel something just about 10-20x more worse

if you are religous or some shit and dont want to go to hell...

then dont do opiates because withdrawling from them is HELL, so dont do them cuz then u will know what hell is like and u hate it even more but by now ur already going there cuz u did opiiaaaates!!
 
lets see i sweat profusely and crap my brains out while i shiver and curse my stupidity for replasping over and over and Fin over again. its hell brudda thats why i try to stay high or even 24/7
 
I wouldn't even fuck with opiates in the first place. A few months ago I was able to get OC 80s cheap as fuck, and I started out only blowing around 20mg at a time (I've never IVed anything, and I'm glad). It got to the point where I'd blow around 60mg at a time and be barely fucked up. My connect for OC finally ended up having issues, and he stopped completely selling everything. I later moved onto H, and I still remember the first time I thought that it was going to be the same as oxy. I was at my guys house and I cut out a huge line, and he immediatly stopped me and asked what I was doing lol. He cut my line to about 1/3 of the size of what I had originally, and I have never been so fucked up in my life. I remember in his driveway I ended up having to get on all 4's and just stay crouched down on the ground like that. Being a complete idiot, I got into my car and started heading home. Everytime I passed an oncomming car I thought they would hit me, so I would swerve out of the way. The next morning, I walked out of my appartment to find my cars windows were all down, but nothing was stolen (thank god)... Not even 2 weeks later, I ended up getting pulled over with a bunch of wagon wheels (what we call 2mg xanax that are the white circles) on me and ounce of bud that was in different bags. I ended up getting felony drug trafficking, which essentially saved my life because it forced me to get sober because I had to pass my drug tests.

The pain I've put myself and my family though is really unbearable and almost brings tears to my eyes when I think about it. I remember one night I had to have my sister come pick me up because I was way too fucked up to drive, and she brought my mom with her... They both ended up making me cry, and I remember me just telling them to leave and get out of my appartment but they forced me to come to my mom's house and detox for awhile. The car ride home I puked all over myself in the back seat, and wouldn't get out of the car to go in the house. At the time I was working a shitty side job as a dish washer at a restaurant. I ended up getting fired from there because I thought I always had to be fucked up on the job, and I fell asleep twice in one night.

Getting off opiates was hell, honestly the hardest thing I've had to do in my entire life. I suggest NEVER fucking with oxy or heroin. It's really a demon that shouldn't be messed with...

Later I got my wisdom teeth out, and they put me on perc 10's. I would eat 4x the dose I was supposed to eat, and nothing. My family knew i was suffering from pain and they weren't strong enough, so my step father actually ended up giving me a bunch of valium which helped A LOT because i didn't really care about the pain, even though it was still present.

I'm lucky enough that I never IVed and was able to get clean. For one time in my life, I'm glad I got arrested and I can honestly say me getting fucked over by the police was a blessing.

I'm still smoking bud now, and I completely stopped with all opiates although I do still drink on benzos. Really just be careful and know what you're getting yourself into.. it's not somthing I'd fuck around with
 
jamesBrown said:
Whenever I was in seriously intense heroin withdrawals.....

....death seemed like a possible solution to the pain I was experiencing.
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Basically, this.

This is what makes buprenorphine (or loperamide, either one perhaps supplemented with benzos, if you're careful not to use them too regularly) so valuable as a detox tool, by my thinking.

Though of course, there's always the possibility of accidentally inducing precipitated withdrawals if you don't wait long enough to use bupe, in which case you can magnify the ^ poster's statement tenfold.
 
Depending how much you used and for how long it can be bad to really bad. for me its always mild, i get kinda hot/cold and sometimes dirarehha and the worst part is the depression and not being able to sleep, if theres anything i hate the most about it, tis sleeping. u cant sleep, and when u finally do you wake up a few hours later and it doesnt feel like u even fell asleep.
 
Opiate withdrawal is pure hell, the severity depends on which opiate you are withdrawing from. To me the worst was Opana and Tramadol. Opana withdrawal was like you were run over by a truck and i had the absolute worst RLS ever! Tramadol was hell too because it feels like every inch of skin on your body is on fire! And there is no opiate you can take to make you feel better when coming of tramadol! Heroin withdrawal to me was actually manageble.
 
I'd say physically, it's like a really bad flu with added symptoms. It's hard to describe it's physical+psychological symptoms accurately, but the longer descriptions all pretty much say the same thing. It's everything unpleasant.

I'd be curious to see how many people have stopped using multiple times, but have only really experienced one full blown withdrawal/detox? I'm willing to bet there are several since the experience is fairly traumatic.

Myself included, I'd say many or most people (on this site) are either going to prepare for the process in advance, or not stop using. Suboxone and the elusive subutex, can be found be in almost every network it seems and is damn near necessary, once the experience is known. I've also found amphetamine to be previously helpful as a temporary fix to stay functional (work) or to hold over for a short time. The benzo route is common and takes the edge off and helps insomnia, but it's not a substitute for buprenorphine imo.
 
for those who have ever detoxed from opiates on their own, with or without suboxone, what did you DO exactly during the time you were detoxing? did you do it at home, alone?

i've been taking a lot of oxycodone every day for 2+ years... i spent every $ i earned from my *excellent* job to buy roxys at street prices, mostly b/c i could (just barely) afford it and i worked so much i wasn't able to go sit in the pain clinic myself every month, etc. after managing to survive several rounds of layoffs in 2009 all while growing my addiction, i finally lost my job a few months ago. i can't seem to go anywhere or do much except sleep or watch tv, yet still the small amount of severance pay i received has all but run out.

since losing my job, i've managed to taper down to 50% of my previous average usage, but i'm completely stuck there. i feel like if i can't get out of bed WITH the roxies, then it's time to stop.... since i don't feel like doing much of anything lately, the added pressures of knowing that i'm also almost completely broke and have no insurance are at least helping my motivation to get clean. but for the same reasons, i think doing it at home is my only option.... i have no problem paying for a reasonable amt of subox, benzos, etc. that will help get through w/d's, but if i don't stop the oxys by sometime next month, i will be completely out of $ and time to find a new job before being evicted.

bottom line, one way or another i've got to stop the opiates. i'm single, i live alone, i'm always alone.... so this may sound strange, but i'm just not sure what to do, or how or when to start. do i just lay here alone and sick until one day i stop feeling sick? i have NO idea what w/d will feel like, and i've used so much for so long because i'm just so so terrified to find out :(

i would really love any advice/anecdotes/suggestion/support that anyone might have.... as i mentioned i've been enjoying my time not working alone mostly, and i've actually never talked to anyone about any of this (dependence, detox, none of it), so it would be really great to find someone else who might be able to relate on any level, even just with respect to the physical symptoms i can expect. if you're that person, i'd love to know anything you care to share. i'm in this strange limbo where i don't really feel accountable to anyone right now, and have no idea what i "should" be doing (on a day-by-day, minute-by-minute basis) to attempt an informed, safe opiate detox.


many thanks and much love,
D
 
Cold sweat, insomnia, anxiety, hot flashes, dizziness, weakness, cramps, diarrhea, nausea, body aches, runny nose, constant yawning...and of course mad cravings for more dope cuz you know that a shot or a belly full of pills is going to make everything better...
Does anybody ever experience a really unpleasant "buzzing" sensation in their head during withdrawal? Almost like serotonin shocks? I do, and it sucks.
 
The first signs for me are the running nose, teary eyes, and the depression. It feels like I looked in the mirror and suddenly realized I am an 80 year old man - my life is over, there is no happiness, nothing to look forward to. Only boredom, depression, and the clock hand - which moves slower and slower as the WD's come on.

I've never had VIOLENT withdrawals before, meaning I have never gotten nauseous or shat myself, but I think those are just added barbs. The worst part of the withdrawal is the depression - the feelings that nothing will ever make you feel good ever again. And the inability to stay comfortable, no matter how you sit or lie down. Like your trapped in a car full of knotted clothes and all you wanna do is find a comfortable position, but you can't.

The insomnia sucks, but massive doses of benzos or mandrax would knock me out for a good 8 hours a day.

And then once it's over, for the first few weeks, you start every morning wondering "how am I possibly going to get through this day?"

Then you start to feel better. And then, despite what you thought, you start to feel good.
 
dont know about anyone else, and don't get me wrong, they're far from understated


but these "withdrawals are hell on earth" are an interesting IDEA, to the budding psychoanalyst of the sort
 
I think some people actually enjoy withdrawal and being sick, then getting high and feeling like there on cloud 9. It's just part of the life style, unless your prescribed pain med's, in that case you dont have to worry as much. But you still do if you run out.
 
My experience with withdrawl has been a really sweaty, feverish, sleepless illness that pretty much resembles the flu.
The worst part of it for me was the sleeplessness. The rest was pretty much bearable with lots of bedrest and warm drinks throughout.

A quick list of symptoms would be:
Muscle spasms
Incredilbe lethargy compounded by a total inability to sleep
Muscle cramps and joint pains
Running nose
Watery eyes
Over-salivating
Loss of appetite
Diahorrea
Headache
Sweating
Tachycardia with palpitations
Increased core body temperature, ice cold extremities
Nausea and vomiting
Dilated pupils
 
AtxBigBallin said:
You wimpy girl..Hydrocodone...you cant ask for a more pathetic opiate than those cat testicles. If you are going to have withdrawls from practicly over the counter pain killers then i suggest you try something for real and experience real pleasure and suffer the consequences. its probably worth it and you wont regret it.
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They aren't pathetic when you take enough of them! Also, withdrawal is based predominantly on the frequency, dosage, and duration of usage. I have experience with virtually every opiate possible and the worst detox I ever had was from Hydrocodone and Lortabs (granted I did heroin a few times also during that period, it was mainly the pills). Take them long enough, take enough of them, and you'll be sick like a junkie.

It probably isn't the best idea to suggest a stronger opiate to someone having enough problems with Hydrocodone, either!
 
AtxBigBallin said:
You wimpy girl..Hydrocodone...you cant ask for a more pathetic opiate than those cat testicles. If you are going to have withdrawls from practicly over the counter pain killers then i suggest you try something for real and experience real pleasure and suffer the consequences. its probably worth it and you wont regret it.
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I know that post was from 2004, but I gotta say that was one of the stupidest things I have ever read. An ignorant, clueless statement followed by really bad advice. Can't get any better than that!
Don't listen to this guy.
 
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