What are you running this summer?

nolys said:
What you've been on the juice for a year? Like straight with no breaks? Holy shit. I don't ever plan of blast + cruising myself, I'd be afraid of my body forgetting how to make test... I don't want to be on TRT for the rest of my life.
What orals do you plan on throwing in?
I can't wait when the time comes for me to start with tren, sounds like the king of juice to me...
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Yeah. The fucking Methadone I'm on and the seven years of opiate addiction prior (heroin) fucked up my testosterone levels so I am going to end up on TRT anyways.

If I can get some, I would love to throw in some Methyl-1-Testosterone but I will probably be sticking with Epistane, Superdrol, Methylstenbolone, and Methylclosetbol. Not all at once though lol. I am tempted to run some Anadrol because of how fucking lean I got.

Tren is good stuff bro. It's the heroin of steroids. Once you use it and if you can handle the sides, you wont want to run a cycle without it. As little as 50mg everyday of quality Tren, and I'm talking homebrew Fina here which is potent shit bro, will be enough to give excellent results.
 
How many cycles would yóu say merits tren usage? I'd guess around 5 or so probably would I be right in assuming that?
I've got my next 2 cycles planned out already if all goes well at least. The next cycle is going to be dbol 1-5, test 500 or 600 1-12 or 1-15. (Ill know after this cycle)
Then 3rd time around will be 1-14 deca 3-400 1-16 test e 5-600 and a dbol kickstart.
Of course that's only a rough idea because its gonna be about a year before I'm on cycle 3 but what do you think? Anything I should change anybody?

Also how's the methadone treatment been going guido? Do ya plan on stopping or waiting a while?
 
I am honestly having a hard time deciding. The thing with Tren is once you use it, you are going to want to include it in all cycles if you can stand the sides. Even if the sides drive you to the breaking point you may still run it because of the results. Let me think on it a bit and let Voxide, Renz, and Genetic Freak give their input. The thing with me is that I have been on gear for a continuous time as a result of my testosterone levels being fucked from my seven years of Heroin abuse and the Methadone.

The Methadone treatment is going fine. I have been at a 100mg for three years. The only thing that bothers me is that while on the steroids and using T3, Clenbuterol, and everything else I enjoy, my metabolism is increased greatly and by the night I am literally drained. I refuse to raise my dose because once you go over 100mg tapering off becomes near impossible and you become a zombie. I'm content with sweating and pissing my dose out all day and dealing with some fatigue at night. I do plan on tapering. I actually wish I fucking tapered sooner and went on TRT because I would be normal right now and wouldn't have to deal with going to the the clinic every Monday, taking my dose, pointless piss tests, pointless counseling, and bearing witness to people cheating on the Methadone program which makes me fucking sick because they drive up the cost of treatment and give clinics a bad reputation. I don't like being around weak minded and weak willed individuals who when offered help smile whilst secretly and silently shitting in the face of the help offered.
 
Sooooo Genetic Freak when taking my temp is that before I'm on the Clen cycle? Or be on the clen then take my temp for a week?

Also cheers for the info :-P
 
-Guido- said:
I am honestly having a hard time deciding. The thing with Tren is once you use it, you are going to want to include it in all cycles if you can stand the sides. Even if the sides drive you to the breaking point you may still run it because of the results. Let me think on it a bit and let Voxide, Renz, and Genetic Freak give their input. .
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Have done Trenbolone, but it was a while back around 2006 ish'.... But from what I can remember We used Tren Ace' and found it to be quite powerful stuff... Aggression was through the roof, great for training but you have to be aware its nobody else's fault, so if you can't keep a check on your aggression maybe its not for you....

The sides I have found are person dependant, plus it depends a great deal on what else you combine it with.. in my opinion..!!!
Tren being a 19-nor therefore a Progestin, so it can raise Progesterone, which can in turn lead to raised levels of Prolactin from the Pituitary.... (man-boobs)....!!!
Progesterone gyno cannot develop though in the absence of Estrogen.... Tren can't convert to Estrogen but Test can through aromatisation... Hence don't go mad with the Testosterone when combined with Tren...

We found no more than 350mg/weeks seemed to work better for us... Any more and we didn't see many benefits, plus the sides did tend to kick in over 350mg/week...
Also we did think that combining another 19-nor like Nandrolone (Deca) seemed to greatly increase the negative sides..

Back to the original question of when to include Tren to a cycle...?

When .... "If"...? might be more appropriate.. There seems to be a common misconception of always wanting to increase after each cycle... More doesn't necessarily mean more gains, it will mean more sides, if you are unlucky.. With 19-nors you do get a significant size increase, but a lot of it is water retention, so you will lose some or most of it when you come off.. So you might be inclined to think what's the point....
You don't hear too much emphasis on increasing Carbs & Protein.... More Calories will increase mass, more calories plus more intensive exercise will greater increase mass...

Greater knowledge of basic cycle planning might be a better option.. There are only three options for a cycle: Testosterones, 19-nors, & DHT's ..... Each can have a place if used together synergistically for their benefits when combined together...

You might consider Test @ 500mg/week as a first cycle..... (Testosterone)

Test + Dbol 20mg/day week 1-6 ........ 2nd cycle (Testosterones)

Test + Deca .............. 3rd cycle (Testosterone + 19-nor)

Test + Boldernone .............. 4th cycle (Testosterones)

Test + Deca + Dbol 20mg/day ........ 5th cycle (Testosterones + 19-nor)

Test + Boldernone + Winstrol 20-30mg/day........... 6th cycle (Testosterones + DHT)

Test + Trenbolone ............... 7th cycle...... (Testosterone + 19-nor)..... Maybe low dose winstrol as a DHT to check Estrogen ..??? Maybe lower the Test to account for the extra Winstrol....

The options can be many, I haven't included Parabolon, Masteron, Primobolan, Proviron, Oxymetholone, Anavar, where do you stop, or do you need to go beyond 500mg/week........? increase your food intake and lift more might be more appropriate .......

I know we've all done it, but is there any need...?

My 2c.....
 
Excellent posts very informative...
Though 1 thing I gotta ask genetic freak - you say that tren is a progesterone and causes gyno ect but not in the absence of estrogen. Does this means that a simple ai such as liquidex would suffice to keep gyno at bay?
Deca is a progestin too isn't it? I see people saying that you would need caber or prami for deca induced gyno, but if it can't form in the absence of estrogen does that mean that these drugs would not be needed and an ai or even serm would do the job?
I might be getting confused and mixing things up there, I'm still kinda a newb with the juice, i only really know about testosterone drugs seeing as I'm only on my first cycle now. Corrections would be very much welcome.
Thanks again for the posts guys
 
nolys said:
Excellent posts very informative...
Though 1 thing I gotta ask genetic freak - you say that tren is a progesterone and causes gyno ect but not in the absence of estrogen. Does this means that a simple ai such as liquidex would suffice to keep gyno at bay?
Deca is a progestin too isn't it? I see people saying that you would need caber or prami for deca induced gyno, but if it can't form in the absence of estrogen does that mean that these drugs would not be needed and an ai or even serm would do the job?
I might be getting confused and mixing things up there, I'm still kinda a newb with the juice, i only really know about testosterone drugs seeing as I'm only on my first cycle now. Corrections would be very much welcome.
Thanks again for the posts guys
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I've mentioned it in detail in another post somewhere...... If needed Aromasin or Femera might be best employed.....
 
*IRISH* said:
Sooooo Genetic Freak when taking my temp is that before I'm on the Clen cycle? Or be on the clen then take my temp for a week?

Also cheers for the info :-P
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Yes no problem using clen or eca while on the T3. I do. Neither clen or eca elavates your body temp consistently measurably. The reason being is clen or eca only raises metabolism 2% at most.

Use clen ON the T3 days and if you decide to add an eca stack take that on the days in between.
 
nolys said:
Why would these be prefered over anastrozole?
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I've mentioned that in another post too.......


I have always been led to believe in using Arimidex to control aromatisation during cycle... Recent studies tend to suggest otherwise:
Adex tends to reduce estrone (E1) as opposed to estradiol (E2), even at high doses >2mg estradiol will only be slightly suppressed. Estradiol (E2) can be considered the bad estrogen. Its what gives peripheral symptoms of estrogen build up like water retention, gyno etc. So if you are on a strong aromatizable cycle you could suggest the use of Aromasin to control estrogen.

Basically the conversion to estrone and estradiol is mediated by the same pathway but the substrate is different, testosterone is converted to estradiol where as estrone is converted from androstenedione. Using Adex only really effects the latter.
 
due to money issues and a mailing problem just 600mg test enth/wk,100mg tne and 50mg inj drol eod until i can finally get myself reorganized and get back on either my tren or deca.just broke up with my girl,havin a bit of money issues but i stay pretty well stocked.this week made my 3rd full week back after almost 4months off.my 3rd chest w/o on wed i hit 315 for a 2x2 and 345x1 so i'm not too far off,lol...
 
Genetic Freak said:
I've mentioned that in another post too.......


I have always been led to believe in using Arimidex to control aromatisation during cycle... Recent studies tend to suggest otherwise:
Adex tends to reduce estrone (E1) as opposed to estradiol (E2), even at high doses >2mg estradiol will only be slightly suppressed. Estradiol (E2) can be considered the bad estrogen. Its what gives peripheral symptoms of estrogen build up like water retention, gyno etc. So if you are on a strong aromatizable cycle you could suggest the use of Aromasin to control estrogen.

Basically the conversion to estrone and estradiol is mediated by the same pathway but the substrate is different, testosterone is converted to estradiol where as estrone is converted from androstenedione. Using Adex only really effects the latter.
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Ohh I didn't know that thanks for the info ill have to look it up myself. I've got ldex here for my current cycle but its only 500mg a week so I doubt ill even need it
 
bigjoey said:
due to money issues and a mailing problem just 600mg test enth/wk,100mg tne and 50mg inj drol eod until i can finally get myself reorganized and get back on either my tren or deca.just broke up with my girl,havin a bit of money issues but i stay pretty well stocked.this week made my 3rd full week back after almost 4months off.my 3rd chest w/o on wed i hit 315 for a 2x2 and 345x1 so i'm not too far off,lol...
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Sorry to hear that bro... I went through the same shit back in September. Just keep lifting, eating right, and dosing right.
 
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